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there is security in our salvation that can not be denied. the big question is so secure can one walk away/ be lost again.
perseverance of the saints.. that is Calvinism teaching for the plan of salvation or at least what i read it is .
That is true. And that's a good attitude to have. But the part of the Bible that tells us how we can discern the children of God from the children of the devil was written by John to the church so we would not be deceived by false teachers. Because false teachers are recognized by their behavior, not just their doctrine.
true but there will be some that are good at hiding there actions. unction is very important
The security of salvation is the sureness and efficacy of Christ's sacrifice and Priesthood. That is crystal clear in scripture. The question is whether or not a true believer will always have the sureness and security of Christ's ministry applied to his life.
Yes, but nonetheless, John tells us how to discern the fake from the true. Christians should not be apologetic about calling out fakes when they see 'em.
its a BIG question. i have studied this out over 20 years. when i first got saved i was almost a legalist . i couldnt even say eternal life . my mom side of the family are southern baptist very much osas . in fact i have some question about some of my cousins.. they like the wild side of life. my aunt sent me pamphlets on eternal security. i read through them all of course i was gen baptist they are not osas. the eternal security teaching is pretty close. but there is some things is till question.. so i am a know so salvation teacher
Yep, just know for sure that you're saved. That is what matters.
That's how cults prosper.
there is so much confusion in osas . i try to make it as clear as i can on knowing . you have self deception in all denoms.
Well, Jesus used them all the time. He said the Kingdom of God is like …a material analogy on earth. I mean most of the parables, if not all, are analogies. You just don’t like that one although the Bible actually speaks of “neglecting” a faith same as neglecting any gift. God isn’t taking care you don’t neglect the gift given. He has his part and we have ours. He never controls us. The Demons control a man and controlling is evil. In the Kingdom of God, we always have our sovereign will. We can submit and obey or rebel. But He refuses to control us like puppets. That is the way of the evil powers.
It’s hard to admit you’ve admire someone so off at points.
Again you start off with an untrue personal insult. Shows that you know your position is weak.
Well actually, they have to extract the bits of the scripture and twist it. They also have to completely ignore plain as day scripture that addresses believers falling away from the faith as a stern warning. One can interpret “the beast was like a ….” but “forgive us just like we forgive others” is clear and requires action. “Interpreting” is a way to avoid the obvious truth and is deceitful.
It’s pretty clear that I understand a great more than you on the matter and it bugs you. Probably best to leave it at that. I refuse to employ the ad hominem.
Preservation of the Saints, which means you can’t lose your ticket to Heaven no matter how you behave. They have a different twist.
Exactly. That's why I say there isn't anything comparable in this life to how a person either has salvation because they believe, or doesn't have salvation because they don't believe, because this life doesn't work that way. Football teams don't win because they believe they can win. But justification/salvation is 'won' based solely on whether or not you believe. So our analogies used to illustrate being saved by believing, rather than being competent, fall woefully short.
We have to be careful here. The original Calvinism doctrine does not teach you can act any way you want and you still go to heaven. Quite the opposite in fact. In the article I quoted it is "non traditional Calvinist doctrine", called "Hyper Grace" that believes that no amount of sin, or even unbelief(!) can cause you to lose salvation. The link below goes right to that part in the article.
He did use many parables. And my favorite is Luke 14:31-32.
You must be joking right. Of course there is. There are thousands of examples of people who seized something because they believed they had a right to it. Probably millions. They powerfully believed it was there’s.
As you can see it certainly does.
That’s not even close to what it teaches.
It is crystal clear. And it does require action.