Why Sunday???

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Elijah 674 , :sorry

Not only is your post pretty confusing ... :confused ..... but I still don't understand how Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 and 3:15 have anything to do with 666 or Sabbath. Is that your own speculation ? .... And what's with Hebrews 6:6 ???

Maybe Brother Lionel can explain better ... Here's a chance for you, Lionel, to ask NEW questions ...



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Tina said:
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Elijah 674 , :sorry

Not only is your post pretty confusing ... :confused ..... but I still don't understand how Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 and 3:15 have anything to do with 666 or Sabbath. Is that your own speculation ? .... And what's with Hebrews 6:6 ???

Maybe Brother Lionel can explain better ... Here's a chance for you, Lionel, to ask NEW questions ...


Tina, me again. There are real BELIEVERS that are not adventists. This is a post by me long ago on another site. Perhaps it will just confuse you more, huh? 2 Peter 3:16

"Thy way, O God, [is in the Sanctuary]" Ps. 77:13
Call it what you will? Church, temple, tabernacle, synagogue, [it always] still means that the heavenly Throne Room is the True Sanctuary of God! And to know God, we must find Him in His Sanctuary. Never can earth's denominational teachings be in opposition to God's Way! James 2:8-12 & Eccl. 12:13-14!!

"To the Law and to the testimony: [if] they speak not according to this word, [it is because] there is [no light in them.]" Isa. 8:20
God wrote the Ten Commandment Covenant Himself & in Deut. 31 we see that Moses also wrote a law. Moses law is to be found..(pay apt attention) "And Moses wrote this law and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, [which bare the ark of the COVENANT OF THE LORD...And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law [in a book,]...That Moses commanded the Levites which bare the [Ark of the of the COVENANT OF THE LORD,] saying, Take this [book of the law, and put it in THE SIDE of the Ark].." Deut. 31:9 & 24-26 in part.
So we see what God has written takes us to the first part only! (of Isa. 8:20 'to the Law & to the Testimony')

Now for the Testimony part of Isa. 8:20 The Testimony of whom? Jn 1:1-3 tells us it is CHRIST THE WORD! 2Tim. 3:16 tells us that ALL Scripture is to be used, OK? All the WORD!
Christ told the 'd'evil that "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, [but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.]" (try Matt. 4: 4.) This is the Word of God, It is the [Eternal Everlasting Gospel, Law & Gospel and Gospel and Law!! They are the same, UNITED, they cannot ever be separated!!]

Now we need to understand that this portion of Isa. 8:20 was the 'testimony' part trusted to Holy men of God, writing, as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
One part God wrote & the other testimony part called the WORD OF GOD, His trusted men to pen. But please do not miss the Word's WORD.."If they speak not according to this Word, [it is because] there is [no light in them.]"
Speaking Contrary to the [Law} makes one lightness & Christ/less! Remember now the first part of Isa. 8:20, that which God did not trust mankind to pen! He wrote it Himself twice! The first time in [rock & the second time] in the 'Fleshy tables of the Heart' Try 2Cor. 3:3 & Jn. 3:5-8 Both of these times it was the Godheads work & not man, and it takes [both law & testimony] to have the 'Everlasting Gospel' its impossible to have one without the other & be right with God!

"Bind up the testimony, seal the law among the disciple." Isa. 8:16
Inside the ten Commandments is the Memorial of the Godheads Creation of earth. Try Ps. 135:13.."Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and thy [Memorial,] O Lord, throughout [ALL GENERATIONS.]" (Everlasting)

Seal, Sign, Signet, Mark (x?) are all used in the 'testimony' and many times need to be seen as interchangeable.
Seal or sign, Signet? Try Ester 3:12 for Easter's signing of King Ahasuerus important documents & letters. "..in the name of King Ahasuerus was it written, [and sealed with the kings ring.]" try Ester 8:7-8 and verse 10. Have you understood in Luke 15's Prodigal son getting a "..Bring forth the best rob and [put a ring on his hand].." ? v.22, (after his conversion as seen in v. 21) And yes, the Robe meant the Garment of Christ's Righteousness!

The Sabbath Commandment has the same features as the Seal or Ring Signet that this son wore. He could now
Stamp, seal or sign checks so to speak. Vested with full rights, accepted! In the Seal or Signet, (7TH Day Sabbath)
God has His Name, His address, and His Authority & His territory. (ownership, creator, money in the bank) A Seal, Sign, Signet or Mark is in His Sabbath part of the Law, regardless of which wording you choose to use.


"And he shall speak great words against the [Most High,] .....and [think to change [times and laws:] .." Dan. 8:25 (how about YOU dear reader??)
The evil one who was once a 'covering cherub' in heaven (check Eze.28:14-19) over the Ark in the Godheads Sanctuary has attempted to do this. This 'he', works through his earthly agents, the same power as is seen in Rev. 17:5 in CAPS, (with her Harlot Daughters) the antichrist of Catholicism, this is THEIR abomination! Remember that inside God's heavenly Ark are His 10 Commandment Covenant! This evil is the one who has attempted to 'Void' out the Universal Royal Law of the Godhead! Has he done a good job so far?? Once saved always saved-Sunday sacredness-Burning in hell [eternally] and on & on we go... for just a little while longer! Requires both a & a !

The final Test for Mankind will be the 666. Man who professes to Love Christ will once again be tested before he inters the land of Canaan. try Ex. 16 4-5 & 28 with v.35 They were tested for 40 years on keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath,
notice that they were tested on [ just this one], the [Memorial of creation] to see if they were OBEDIENT to ALL TEN!!
"..that I may [prove] them, whether they will [walk in my law, or no.]" v. 4 ibid. Do you remember 1Jn. 2;4? "He that sayeth, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar,] and the [truth is not in him.]"

God gives the backup texts for this in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15!! He asks you the question & then He answers you!! Yes, also in Rev. we see this Sabbath & Law Test Repeat!

The testimony from Isa. said.. [no light in them] & here the Word or Gospel of Christ say.. [is a liar] and the [truth is not in him.] I want NO PART OF THAT!

"The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; [he will magnify the law,] and make [it honorable." Isa. 42:21
Christ said to hate is murder, to lust after a person is adultery. Did he 'Void' the law or Magnify it? The Gospel teaches again, through Paul.."Do we make void the law through faith, [God Forbid] yea, [WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.]" Rom.3:31
How did Christ 'Establish' the law? "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfill." Matt 5:17 To VOID out? Both Prophets & the Covenant? Christ came to live out perfectly His 10 commandment Covenant [and to magnify it.] Notice verse 18-19 .."For verily I say unto you,...Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, [and shall teach men so,] he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.." Do not believe for one second that any of these will be in heaven! Dan. 7:10 tells of the judgement being set & the [books] were opened. The only way that these will be there will be by being recorded in recorded books, Lost eternally! And will be declared the "least in the kingdom of heaven' Try Matt. 10:15 & 1Cor. 6:2-3 & Rev.20:12 and notice that these in Rev. are clearly stated [AS STANDING & Dead.] The only way for a dead person standing would be by books.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth [is not in him.]" 1Jn. 2:4
Are we converted? Do we claim to be born again? There is a 'foolproof' way to know! And it has nothing to do with [the feeling good process]. You know? Feel good, go to church, don't feel good, stay home! Or, hay man, I got the spirit!
This is the only way to know if we are [Born Again]..."...The Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that [Obey Him]" Acts 5:32 Friends, Law & Everlasting Gospel cannot be Separated! They are [Both the Same] Gospel [Is Law & Law Is Gospel]!!

"If ye fulfil the [Royal Law]....For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and offend in one point, he [is guilty of all] .... For he that said, Do not commit adultery said also, Do not kill, Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law...[So speak ye, and so do,] as they that shall be [judged by the law of liberty.]"
Jms. 8-12 in part
What dear friend will you do with the Godhead's Seventh Day Sabbath the Memorial of creation? The very Seal of Gods Law!

"Do we make [void the law] through faith? [God forbid; yea, we establish the law.]" Rom. 3:31
Only two classes will come through the 666 Mark of the Beast test, the Saved will be faithful as the Gospel teaches.."yea we establish the law." And all the rest go the broad way to destruction. Sad, but true & that is done by their own [freedom] choice.

"For not the [hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.]" Rom. 2:13
Try Phil. 4:13 & 2Cor. 12:9-10. The [Only way] to be saved, was, and is, by the Master himself! A pledge, a contract by baptism, an agreement! By a Covenant relationship with Jesus, then, we will be Justified.....'But the doers of the law shall be justified'! [Conditional,] It is up to us, the provision has been made, but it is our free choice!!! Not as Cain did in bringing a fruit (Sunday worship for God's Seventh day Sabbath) sacrifice for obedience!!

"But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the [holiest of all] was not yet made manifest..." Heb. 9:7-8

And inside the Most Holy Place were the eternal Royal Law of the Godhead-the Ark and the Eternal Mercy Seat in the Sanctuary above. Notice the last two words of the verse below! "THE EVERLASTING COVENANT" It is as Everlasting as the Everlasting Gospel of Rev. 14:6 first part! Eternal!! This is the Eternal Everlasting Gospel! The Good News with the Eternal Law & Gospel!! Try Rev. 21:9-10 & Rev. 11:19

"Jesus Christ the [same yesterday, and today, and for ever." Heb.13:8 & verse 20 "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, [through the blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT...]"

What IS the [simple requirement] for the saved one to make? Just the Master's Words of.. "[IF] YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."! Again read Eccl. 12:13-14!!

--Elijah





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I will let someone else who understands your post respond to you ..... :confused ..... :help

As for me, it does not matter whether you are an Adventist Sabbatarian or a Non-Adventist Sabbatarian. I have already proven through New Testament Scriptures why Sabbath is not a requirement for Christians and Sabbath breaking is not even mentioned as a sin anywhere in the New Testament, while breaking the other 9 commandments are clearly identified as sins several times.

It appears that you, like Lionel, are conveniently ignoring the scriptures, preferring instead to make wild speculations aboout 666 .....



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Tina said:
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I will let someone else who understands your post respond to you ..... :confused ..... :help

As for me, it does not matter whether you are an Adventist Sabbatarian or a Non-Adventist Sabbatarian. I have already proven through New Testament Scriptures why Sabbath is not a requirement for Christians and Sabbath breaking is not even mentioned as a sin anywhere in the New Testament, while breaking the other 9 commandments are clearly labelled as sins several times.

It appears that you, like Lionel, are conveniently ignoring those scriptures, preferring instead to make wild speculations aboout 666 .....



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--Elijah here:
Hi, I can leave it go at that! Titus 3:9-11. But for others here which want Truth? That is not the case.
Forum we need to realize that one of us two are in this class perhaps? :crying

If John 3:3 is missing? or 2 Peter 3:16 has found one 'not understanding' 'as they do other scripture.'

Or that 'Spiritual things are Spiritually decerned' and is not. (you can look that up! :)

Or as stated.. Heb. 6:6 might apply.

But here is my take on teaching for TRUTH that one of the Eternal Commandments (any one) are not for MANKIND. (Heb. 13:20)

I find James 2:8-12 'offending in just one point has me guilty of OFFENDING in all', and has documented that this is my STANDARD of Final Judgement of being IN CHRIST (Rom. 8:1) OR ETERNALLY LOST! (Obad. 1:16) Compare more TRUTH, if the Word of God has been BELIEVED by me in Eccl. 12:13-14???

Then I see in Inspiration from 1 John 3:4's New Covenant side (as some see it?) that it does not leave out the Eternal 7th Day Sabbath of the Godhead of Heb. 13:20 Eternal Covenant when IT FLATELY TELLS ME WHAT SIN STILL ETERNALLY IS! 'Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth ALSO THE LAW; [FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.'

OK: This is for me! It is MY PERSONAL CONVICTION. (Rom. 8:1 + Rom. 8:14) 'i' find a LOVING WARNING to [ME]! Eccl. 3:14 which tells me... I KNOW that, whatsoever God doeth, (DOCUMENTS AS TRUTH) [IT SHALL BE FOREVER: NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT, OR ANYTHING TAKEN FROM IT]..'

And that is O.T. Truth, right?? Now, in Rev.'s N.T. 22:18-19 I find the BOOK OF LIFE mentioned, and this WARNING for me again given that I am NEVER TO TEACH taking anything from or adding to the Eternal Word of God! with almost Word for Word again given. And Crist's Words were seen in Matt. 4:4 + Inspiration in 2 Tim. 3:16.

And take note, that MY NAME WAS RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF LIFE in the Last Warning! (meaning John 3:3 was consumated)
And who is the Eternal Gospel for??? (Rev. 14:6) I personally believe that it even included angels from the number of Matt. 25 1/2 to the final of Rev. 12 1/3 who were also saved by the future Faith of Heb. 11:13 identification.

But be that as it may? Using the Eccl. 1:9-10 & the Eccl, 3:15 'DOCUMENTED' TRUTH, we MUST find in the previous history of Eternal Life the ones who go past their probational BOUNDARIES and Sin the Sin UNTO DEATH! The first full convert that satan had of MANKIND was Cain in Gen. 4:7 (and the reason it told us! and the FAILED CONDITION AS WELL!!!)

Moving way up the ladder in time we see the STRIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT with the pre/flood ones that accompanied Noah! Peter called Noah the PREACHER OF RIGHTOUSNESS, or the Eternal Gospel of Christ! And where does one EVER EVEN SEE A JEW MENTIONED???

Back to The BOOK OF LIFE & SIN and a NEVER CHANGING CHRIST/GOD. (Heb. 13:8's 'Jesus the same FOREVER') You do remember the thought of the BOOK OF RECORDS? God tells who it is that HE will BE REMOVE FROM THAT BOOK... (if the name was ever in the book in the first place. John 3:3)

'And the Lord said unto Moses, [WHOSOEVER HATH SINNED AGAINST ME, HIM WILL I BLOOT OUT OF MY BOOK.]'

Yes, it is not the one/time sin that has ones name removed from the book. But the MATURE rebellion against the Godhead. Remember that God had Noah preached for 120 years to the pre/flood ones... and take note that professed protestants + have been on the scene well past any 120 years, thus?? we see the verse of Rev. 17:1-5 with verse five in the plural! God in that verse documents that these denominations are MATURE!

And then we see one here TEACHING FOR TRUTH that it is OK to bring a fruit (sun) sacrifice in place of the required (Sabbath, as an example) Lamb offering, which surely Cain 'DESIRED' as Obedience. They do not even say that this might be this way, but LORD! here is my TRUTH!
 
So Tina -
Based on your response, are you saying that Christians today should only keep nine commandmants? You can keep your harsh remarks about the SDA organization to yourself which has nothing to do with scripture. You say that the New Testament does not show where Christians are required to keep the Sabbath (even though NT scripture plainly says so) but can show me a verse where it says we are not required? Is not that notion going against God's word? He spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments with His own voice and with His own finger but you say since there is "nothing" in the NT that says we are required to do it, you say the fourth commandment is basically null and void. I would say thats going against what God established. Malachi 2:9 says it best:

“Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base Before all the people, Because you have not kept My ways But have shown partiality in the law.â€Â
 
No doubt the author of the op knows that the law was changed in 325 Ad, by the the Roman emperor Constantine from Sabbath to Sunday and he also legalized Easter (the goddess of the East or Babylon) worship as the day of the resurrection.

Today I'm just glad I have two days off instead of one!

I know many saints whose name are written in heaven and worship on the first day of the week.
 
MMarc said:
No doubt the author of the op knows that the law was changed in 325 Ad, by the the Roman emperor Constantine from Sabbath to Sunday and he also legalized Easter (the goddess of the East or Babylon) worship as the day of the resurrection.

Today I'm just glad I have two days off instead of one!

I know many saints whose name are written in heaven and worship on the first day of the week.

Hi, not wanting any argument, but how does one know what is in the heart of any professed saint, regardless of which day is kept? And I do know that Christ stated that [IF] ye love ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. And sure LOVE IS THE MOTIVE for Serving Christ. And HE KNOWS whether our Love is Hot or Cold, (Rev. 3:16) , yet can we READ ONES HEART AND MOTIVE??? (nor eve want to!)

The only thing I can be absolutely sure of is the Inspiration of Rev. 17:1-5's documentation of one FOLD. But not any of the individual's! (see John 10:16 + Rev. 18:4) And surly if Christ was IN these Folds, there would be NO reason for them to be called out in WARNING, huh?

Someone.. if I remember right? asked another 7th day Sabbath keeper if he thought that sun. keepers would be in heaven? That is a good question. And surely many are & were sincere with that belief, and will be in heaven! We even see Inspiration from Rom. 2:14 (I think it is?) where some gentile's will be saved who never even heard of Christ as we have. Yet, the Law of God was in their hearts & they learned Truth from the Godhead's Created nature only it appears.

So the question needs asking differently as I see it, will there be any one saved who is alive when Christ comes the Second TIME who is 'still' keeping sun..?? And my reply to that is NO to that question. There are going to be just two camps. Matt. 6:24. Both camps will be sorely tested, FIRST the Virgin Fold, that is going on as we speak, (1 Peter 4:17 ) and then the 'professed' world will shortly follow with the 666 Final Testing..

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There will be a lot of good, spirit-filled Christians in the New Jerusalem who worshipped and rested on first day of the week because they did not know. However, the bible clearly tells us what sin is (1 John 3:4 - ...for sin is the transgression of the law) and there are those who clearly disregard the law of God unrepently. Jesus says the following about those who live as such:

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Matthew 13:41
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,


Jesus is a God of love and compassion but He is also a God of judgement and wrath - judgement and wrath on those who reject the commandments of God, that they may keep their own tradition. (Mark 7:9)
 
Brother Lionel said:
There will be a lot of good, spirit-filled Christians in the New Jerusalem who worshipped and rested on first day of the week because they did not know. However, the bible clearly tells us what sin is (1 John 3:4 - ...for sin is the transgression of the law) and there are those who clearly disregard the law of God unrepently. Jesus says the following about those who live as such:

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Matthew 13:41
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,


Jesus is a God of love but He is also a God of judgement and wrath - judgement and wrath on those who reject the commandments of God, that they may keep their own tradition. (Mark 7:9)

Hi, there is NO question of Christ's LOVE! It is that of our LOVE that is questioned as 'i' see it. (Rev. 3:16) And these as well as old Israel were all professed 7Th Day Sabbath keepers. At least 'i' find No doctrinal condemnation in the Rev. 3:16-17 verses. In fact there are only two Rev. 2:5 candelsticks true folds mentioned from verse 7-17, one is kept in verse 10, while the other is found to be in verse 9 called the synagogue of satan, & spewed out in ibid. 16-17.

--Elijah[/b]
 
Correct. And God's Word shows us that love without obedience to His commandments is hypocritical:

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 
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Brother Lionel said:
So Tina -
Based on your response, are you saying that Christians today should only keep nine commandmants? You can keep your harsh remarks about the SDA organization to yourself which has nothing to do with scripture.

You are right. The SDA has nothing to do with scripture, which is why it is called a cult ..... :biglol



Brother Lionel said:
You say that the New Testament does not show where Christians are required to keep the Sabbath (even though NT scripture plainly says so) but can show me a verse where it says we are not required?

Brother Lionel, Please quit asking the same questions. I am not interested in entertaining you with circular arguments. These issues have already been addressed. You refused to answer a simple question someone asked you about whether Sabbath-keeping is required for salvation by the SDA, Instead you attempt to troll and distract and take us for a ride by asking the same old questions.



Brother Lionel said:
Is not that notion going against God's word? He spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments with His own voice and with His own finger but you say since there is "nothing" in the NT that says we are required to do it, you say the fourth commandment is basically null and void. I would say thats going against what God established.

Please copy and paste my post where you allege that I said that "the fourth commandment is basically null and void" .... where did I say that ?



Brother Lionel said:
Malachi 2:9 says it best:
“Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base Before all the people, Because you have not kept My ways But have shown partiality in the law.â€Â

That's right ... all you know how to do is either quote OLD Testament scriptures , distort New Testament scriptures , or waste my time asking same old questions .....


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LOL! I cant win for losing!!! I give you New Testament scriptures, you say the verses "really dont mean that". I give you Old Testament scriptures, you say "that's in the Old Testament and does not count". This is amazing!

Well then, please explain this verse to me.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. (and then He begins to quote the Ten Commandments).
 
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Brother Lionel said:
Well then, please explain this verse to me.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. (and then He begins to quote the Ten Commandments).

Well , I'm glad that at least you finally ask a new question ..... :ohwell


Matthew 19:17-30 (NKJV)

So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.†He said to Him, “Which ones?†Jesus said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false itness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’â€ÂThe young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?†Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.†But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.†When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?†But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.†Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?†So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.



This is what the rich young ruler asked Jesus in Matthew 19:18 :

"He said to Him, "Which ones ?â€Â"


He asked Jesus which one of the commandments he has to keep. And Jesus answered :

1. You shall not murder
2. You shall not commit adultery
3. You shall not steal
4. You shall not bear false witness
5. Honor you father and mother
6. You shall love your neighbour as yourself



Did I miss something ? ........ :chin

These are the only 6 of the 10 commandments I can find after Matthew 19:17 .......
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I am implying that you are not even asking the right questions .... you simply ASSUME that Jesus was talking about ALL of the 10 commandments when He only mentioned 6 .


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Just so you know, I do keep the Sabbath. Friday nights I fellowship with friends in my home and I'm free whole of Saturdays, and I go to a church building on Saturdays or Sundays to worship with about 4000 other believers. But I do NOT judge people that are not able to keep Saturdays holy for various reasons.



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I understand. But you did not answer my question. Are you implying that Jesus taught the rich young ruler to disregard the first four of the commandments?
 
If you say "well, this scripture does not prove that Jesus commanded us to keep the Sabbath because He only mentions the last six commandments". Then because He did not mention the first four commandments that dealt with man's relationship with God, are you saying that Jesus taught people to disregard them?
 
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The first 3 commandments appear in other scriptures of New Testament :-


Ist Commandment

"I am the LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

Found in NT in :

Matt 4:10
Matt 6:24
Luke 4:8


2nd Commandment

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fouth generation of them that hate Me; And shewing mercy unto thousands who love Me, and keep my commandments."

Found in NT in :

Acts 15:20
Acts 17:29,30
1Cor 5:11
1Cor 10:7
1Cor 10:14
1Cor 12:2
2Cor 6:16
Gal 5:19-21
Eph 5:5
Col 3:5
1Thes 1:9
1Jn 5:21
Rev 9:20
Rev 21:8
Rev 22:15


3rd Commandment

"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain."

Found in NT in :

Mt 6:9
Mt 12:36
Mt 15:8,9
Mt 23:9
Lk 11:2
1Tim 6:1



Now will you care to show us where in the NT is Sabbath commanded and breaking it is deemed sin ?



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LOL! Ok your elaboration of the last commandment in terms of New Testament scripture is grossly misused. But here is what you wanted.

The author of Hebrews reaffirms the fourth commandment
Hebrews 4:9 - So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Jesus referrences and recognizes the sabbath during our day, at the end of time. He urges us to pray that we wouldnt have to flee for our lives on the sabbath day which is a day that we should rest and keep holy.
Mat 24:20 - But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day

Jesus explained to the Jewish leaders the purpose of the sabbath in which He does not abrogate it even though He had the opportunity to do so.
Mar 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

Jesus affirmed His ownership of the Sabbath which coincides with OT scriptures where God affirmed ownership of the day stating that the Sabbath is "My Holy Day".
Mar 2:28 - Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus kept the sabbath
Luk 4:16 - And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Jesus healed on the Sabbath, "undoing the heavy burdens, letting the oppressed go free, and breaking every yoke" (Isaiah 58:6). This scripture was in referrence to how God wanted the Nation of Israel to carry out the Sabbath - to help those in need and to loose burdens. Notice that Jesus emphasizes the Sabbath day.
Luk 13:16 - And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

Jesus' followers kept the Sabbath after His death
Luk 23:56 - And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Paul and other s kept the Sabbath
Act 13:14 - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 17:2 - And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Gentiles kept the Sabbath as well
Act 13:42, 44 - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

You probably wont read all of this so I'll make my question clearer: Are you saying that we should keep only nine commandments now?
 
Brother Lionel said:
You probably wont read all of this so I'll make my question clearer: Are you saying that we should keep only nine commandments now?

My reply is the same as before .....

WE KEEP THE NINE COMMANDMENTS AND KEEP EVERY DAY OR ANY DAY HOLY .


Oh by the way, this will be my last time replying to your repeated questions ......



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