Will those who come to Jesus, exclusively to be saved, lose their salvation on the last day?

[Blade]

Bless you and thanks. We know the only way someone comes to Christ/GOD.. He is the one that drew them to Himself. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."

The sheep and goats are not us. Not the bema seat. Those sheep and goats are those when Christ comes sets foot on the earth and gathers the nations that just came out of the great tribulation. Not one Church not one Christian ask Christ about the future. All of them were still under the law. Christ had not died yet and rose PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS.

Forgive me its you that said this not Christ "Don’t come to me if you only wish to be saved, but come to me if you’re willing to obey my commands and implement what I teach" you also said "DO the will OF GOD if you wish to be saved" In at least two of the verses you used its "love less". Then some of those verses were not spoken on the same occasion. Context.

What you said there is not in the word of God. The 12 had been with Him for years.. they are no long servants but friends and if you love me keep my words/commands. How can you love someone you don't know? Its not saved if you obey.. its if you love me keep my words/commands. This is the king of kings "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

You leave out who ever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. What the thief on the cross was lucky? No luck in heaven. Anyway all this is mute. Well we have to go back to the start "exclusively for being saved".<---this is not true. Its not in the word of God. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." So anyone that comes to Him.. HE is the one that draws them. How can you love someone you don't know?

John 3:16 Rom 10 :9-10. The thief believed that's what got him in. He didn't love Him didn't obey Him. Granted time was not on his side See He draws us in.. something that was dead is made new. That new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. See each day we have to die to self. We die daily. From the OT which is not old there is none righteous. We are only righteous because of Christ. We will lay down our crowns at His feet why? Because EVERYHING GOOD we have ever done.. was HIM and HIM alone. And what He started He finish's.

I want to say something yet I have no way of making it real. YESHUA/JESUS Christ is real. He is more real then your best friend or parents or spouse or brother and sister. His sheep you and me know His voice. Jesus is REAL! He has not changed. The sweet holy Spirit is real and talks. Seek and ask Him.. HE will always backup what HE says by His word.

Didn't come to offend. I disagree when it comes to saying something that is not written.

 

[jerry63935]

Please explain why you believe His people are judged with the wicked at the white throne judgement?

EXCUSE ME but at no point or time have i ever stated that . i dont know where you got that. i have always said and will say Christians judgment is the bema seat . the white throne judgment is for the lost .the bema seat is for judgement of our works /rewards spiritual crowns . there is no judgement of salvation at the bema seat .our works are judged by the fire 1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1. Crown of righteousness
2. Incorruptible crown
3. Crown of life
4. Crown of glory
5. Crown of rejoicing

 

[jerry63935]

The white throne Judgement with Christians?

No sir. This is when Jesus returns at the end of the age, and as Paul said, We all will stand before Him to be judged...

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences. 2 Corinthians 5:10-11

As you can plainly see Jerry, these Christian brothers are blessed.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Not so with these...

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me no food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
• I was a stranger and you did not take Me in,
• naked and you did not clothe Me,
• sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

JLB

why do you twist what i say ? this does not make me happy especially after i clearly stated the 2 judgements . one other thing what does MY denomination have to do with anything? is that a attack ?

 

[JLB]

EXCUSE ME but at no point or time have i ever stated that . i dont know where you got that.

I got it from your post where you labeled this event where God’s people are being Judged by Him at the return of Christ as the white throne judgement.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me no food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
• I was a stranger and you did not take Me in,
• naked and you did not clothe Me,
• sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

This event in Matthew 25 is not the White Throne Judgement!







JLB

 

[JLB]

why do you twist what i say ? this does not make me happy especially after i clearly stated the 2 judgements . one other thing what does MY denomination have to do with anything? is that a attack ?

When you label the events of Matthew 25:31-46 as the White Throne Judgement, then what else am I to believe?


This is the Judgement seat of Christ, where He judges His people according to their deeds, whether good or evil.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me no food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
• I was a stranger and you did not take Me in,
• naked and you did not clothe Me,
• sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

JLB

 

[JLB]

this is the bema seat of rewards judgment. no lose of salvation at this judgment

Here is your statement. Your statement does not reflect what Jesus taught us.


Here is what Jesus taught.



Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me no food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
• I was a stranger and you did not take Me in,
• naked and you did not clothe Me,
• sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

If we see His people at the Judgement, then we know it is the Judgement Seat of Christ, where He judges us according to our deeds, what we have done in the body whether good or evil.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences. 2 Corinthians 5:10-11





JLB

 

[JLB]

when do you think the spiritual crowns are handed out ?

Please give us the scripture that shows Jesus handing out crowns.


It could be here, but it doesn’t say.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

 

[jerry63935]

Please give us the scripture that shows Jesus handing out crowns.


It could be here, but it doesn’t say.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to

Revelation 4:10-11
the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” who gave the crowns ? do you deny the crowns ? if so you deny scripture . why would paul say i fought a good fight ?

2 Timothy 4:7-8

King James Version

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7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me {a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.} please note the Lord the Righteous JUDGE ALSO NOT ME ONLY BUT THOSE THAT LOVE HIS APPEARING ... WHO IS lord ?? I REALIZE YOUR NOTED AS THE KING OF SCRIPTURES .. but understand i know scriptures to . i just answered your question . where and who gave the 24 elders there crowns that they cast at the throne. to me the crowns/rewards is not my goal although it comes with the territory . our works is tried by fire wood hay stubble things that burn up . Gold silver precious stone things /works that are purified by the fire .


9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

note at this judgement
HE Himself shall be saved yet so as through fire. its a judgment of works not if we go to heaven or Hell /lake of fire

 

[jerry63935]

I got it from your post where you labeled this event where God’s people are being Judged by Him at the return of Christ as the white throne judgement.

you got from my post exactly what you wanted it to say ..i dont give timelines when it will happen no man knows the hour or do .its our job to be ready

 

[jerry63935]

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences. 2 Corinthians 5:10-11

so you want me to conceded and say your right i am wrong? sorry aint gonna happen i stand my ground firmly

 

[JLB]

the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” who gave the crowns ? do you deny the crowns ? if so you deny scripture . why would paul say i fought a good fight ?

Sorry Jerry but this scriptures does show us Jesus handing out crowns on the Day of Judgement.


It could be here, but it doesn’t say.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Besides, the point I was making was this is not the white throne Judgement.


Do you agree or disagree?





JLB

 

[JLB]

so you want me to conceded and say your right i am wrong? sorry aint gonna happen i stand my ground firmly

Jerry, you can dig in your heels, and stick your fingers in your ears, and close your eyes all you want, it isn’t going to change the fact that the events of Matthew 25:31-46 are not the White Throne Judgement.


JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Sorry Jerry but this scriptures does show us Jesus handing out crowns on the Day of Judgement.


It could be here, but it doesn’t say.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Besides, the point I was making was this is not the white throne Judgement.


Do you agree or disagree?





JLB

psst I never said it was the white throne judgment

 

[JLB]

psst I never said it was the white throne judgment

Ok so you agree this is not the white throne judgement, but rather it is the Judgement Seat of Christ.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me no food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
• I was a stranger and you did not take Me in,
• naked and you did not clothe Me,
• sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

 

[jerry63935]

Ok so you agree this is not the white throne judgement, but rather it is the Judgement Seat of Christ.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;
• I was a stranger and you took Me in;
• I was naked and you clothed Me;
• I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

• for I was hungry and you gave Me no food;
• I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
• I was a stranger and you did not take Me in,
• naked and you did not clothe Me,
• sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

bema seat

 

[JLB]

bema seat

Amen!


The Judgement Seat of Christ!

 

[jerry63935]

Amen!


The Judgement Seat of Christ!

the white throne is Christ judgment also 2sepertae but one judge

 

[JLB]

the white throne is Christ judgment also 2sepertae but one judge

Maybe you could start a thread on this subject and show from the scriptures how each one of these Judgements is different and occurs at different times?


Im sure we could all learn from your experience in this subject.



JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Maybe you could start a thread on this subject

nope it will not end up well

 

[for_his_glory]

yup this is the bema seat of rewards judgment. no lose of salvation at this judgment

it is not the same judgment as the great white throne

Revelation 19:14 we see Jesus coming with His army which comprises the host (angels) of heaven that come down from heaven with Him. The faithful saints of God both asleep in the grave and those who are still alive at His coming will be gathered together and given new glorified bodies as we are now called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The faithful saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus and His host in the air (being the point where we will be gathered to Him) as we will then be with the Lord forever when He comes to plant His feet on the Mount of Olives and makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation (makes an end of sin). Jesus will destroy the great harlot of mystery Babyalon casting the beast, false prophet and Satan into the lake of fire. (Daniel 8:13,14; 12:1-4; Matthew 16:27, 28; 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Jude 1:14; 2Thessalonians 1:7-10; Jude 1:14-21; Rev 17:14)

John 5:21-30 are the words of Jesus that shows us He is the one who sits on the great white throne in Gods final judgement and Paul confirms this in Acts 17:31. Jesus brings His rewards with Him on the last day, John 6:40; Revelation 22:10-21, and after exposing mystery Babylon and her great harlot, Jesus then destroys her by casting the beast, false prophet into the lake of fire. After this the remnant that are still alive and have followed after the harlot having no faith in God are slained by the words of Jesus as they like those before them have physically died in their sins against God and sleep in the grave where they will be resurrected from the grave to stand in Gods final judgement. Revelation 17:7-18; 18:1-19; 19:20, 21; 20:10.

Rev 20:1-3 Satan is bound for a while during this thousand year reign of Christ as he can no longer deceive the nations (people). The word thousand is not literal here, but symbolic for a large number or a long period of time as in these scriptures: Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Ecclesiastes 6:6; 7:28; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; Daniel 5:1; 7:10; 2Peter 3:8. Many look for a physical kingdom and read into Rev 20 that Christ will reign for a thousand years. The truth is that Christ has always reigned with God from the foundation of the world and for eternity even though Satan caused the nations (kingdoms of God) to sin against God, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17, those kingdoms will once again be the kingdoms of God and His Son Christ Jesus at the sounding of the seventh trumpet when His wrath is poured out on those who refuse to repent and turn back to Him accepting His Son Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior, Rev 11:15-19. Satan will be loosed for a time, but only for his own demise as he will take one last attempt to destroy the saints of God using his army of fallen angels to surround the camp of the saints, but his army are consumed by the fire God sends on them and then Jesus will cast Satan into the lake of fire, Rev 20:7-10.

Following Satan being cast into the lake of fire and can no longer accuse the brethren, Rev 12:10, the second part of the resurrection, John 5:28, 29, occurs when all who are still alive have been slain by Jesus, Rev 19:21, and those who have died before them will hear the voice of Jesus and come to stand in the great white throne judgment of Gods final judgment where Jesus opens the books and not finding their names written in the book of life are then cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more. Jesus taught that there will be two general resurrections, John 5:25-29, one to eternal life and the other to damnation. Believers in Christ will escape the great white throne Judgment because their debts and transgressions have been paid for by Christ, Colossians 2:13, 14, and their names are found in the Lamb's book of life as they have eternal life with the Father.