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Your thoughts on the Trinity?

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TRUTH over TRADITION said:
The trinity is a religious construct derived from pagan antiquity that has been incorporated into a doctrine of the church. From a scriptural perspective the Bible is clear that their may be many gods (mighty ones both on Earth and of heaven), but their is but one FATHER GOD who is the God of all, even the 'gods'.
Jesus himself is subject to THE FATHER and the breath (holy spirit) is NOT a personage of the GOD.
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"TRUTH over TRADITION". Christ said the church would prevail against the gates of hell, and Christ can not lie. Therefore the church that Christ founded could not have incorporated a pagan belief as its (her) Gospel. The Trinity is taught from page 1 (Genesis 1:26) of the Bible. That is a cultic, Jehovah's Witness heresy, to DENY THE HOLY TRINITY. This website is suppose to be for TRINITARIAN CHRISTIANS, not for people with a view other than THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION (WHICH IS TRINITARIAN). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Scotth1960 said:
"TRUTH over TRADITION". Christ said the church would prevail against the gates of hell, and Christ can not lie. Therefore the church that Christ founded could not have incorporated a pagan belief as its (her) Gospel. The Trinity is taught from page 1 (Genesis 1:26) of the Bible. That is a cultic, Jehovah's Witness heresy, to DENY THE HOLY TRINITY. This website is suppose to be for TRINITARIAN CHRISTIANS, not for people with a view other than THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION (WHICH IS TRINITARIAN). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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"And you are Peter, and upon this rock (That Jesus is the Anointed One and Son of the Living God) I will build my Ekklesia (which means assembly, community, or congregation, NOT church) and the gates of Hades (the grave) will not prevail against it."

The Community of called out ones that Jesus founded had nothing to do with organized corporate religion, it was about called out INDIVIDUALS who were promised to NOT be defeated by death. That is what is meant by the saying, "the gates of hell will not prevail against it."

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Sorry, but your claim that Genesis 1:26 promotes the trinity leaves a lot to be desired. For one, depending on its context in Hebrew, the term Elohim was not always plural, and 2 if in that instance it was plural, it did not limit Elohim to only 3 parts.
We have no way of denying that when God said, "Let US create man in our image and after our likeness," that He was not simply instructing His messengers (ministering spirits) to carry out His creative will through the power He gave them.

There are those of us who ARE christians (not JW's either) that believe that the concept of a "holy trinity" is NOT a christian concept BTW.
 
means assembly, community, or congregation, NOT church

These terms mean the same thing.
 
Hitch said:
means assembly, community, or congregation, NOT church

These terms mean the same thing.
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The first 3, as well as the English word mob, could in fact acturately come from the same Greek wording, "church" however can and does not.
The origin of the word church is not quite as direct as translating the Greek into English..............
 
TRUTH over TRADITION said:
The first 3, as well as the English word mob, could in fact acturately come from the same Greek wording, "church" however can and does not.
The origin of the word church is not quite as direct as translating the Greek into English..............
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So what? Congregation, assembly , Body , it means the same thing.
 
Cornelius said:
:) Again, I want to say that the Bible is actually clear about God the Father (invisible) and Jesus (visible ) and the Holy Spirit , who the Bible says is the Spirit of the Father.

They are not lumped into one entity, they (Jesus and the Father ) are separate, yet ONE in agreement. The Holy Spirit, according to the Bible is simply the Spirit of the Father.

We have to first see where our doctrine has been contaminated by the traditions of men, and then simply read the Bible.

Its in fact not even complicated to understand.

C
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Cornelius, In the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, we may sing, when we are in church we sing: "Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto the ages of ages. Amen."
In Erie Scott H.
PS That is a doxology blessing of the All-Holy, Thrice-Holy Trinity of One God.
 
Throughout my years, i have seen many Trinitarians confused about this Trinity doctrine. In my opinion, Oneness is much more understandable. :eek2
 
TRUTH over TRADITION said:
"And you are Peter, and upon this rock (That Jesus is the Anointed One and Son of the Living God) I will build my Ekklesia (which means assembly, community, or congregation, NOT church) and the gates of Hades (the grave) will not prevail against it."

The Community of called out ones that Jesus founded had nothing to do with organized corporate religion, it was about called out INDIVIDUALS who were promised to NOT be defeated by death. That is what is meant by the saying, "the gates of hell will not prevail against it."

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Sorry, but your claim that Genesis 1:26 promotes the trinity leaves a lot to be desired. For one, depending on its context in Hebrew, the term Elohim was not always plural, and 2 if in that instance it was plural, it did not limit Elohim to only 3 parts.
We have no way of denying that when God said, "Let US create man in our image and after our likeness," that He was not simply instructing His messengers (ministering spirits) to carry out His creative will through the power He gave them.

There are those of us who ARE christians (not JW's either) that believe that the concept of a "holy trinity" is NOT a christian concept BTW.
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Dear Truth over Tradition, By correct definition, whoever is Christian is Trinitarian, and whoever is Trinitarian is Christian. Anyone who is not Trinitarian is not a Christian. It would make that person a Unitarian. Or perhaps a polytheist, if you follow Mormonism or Armstrongism, as they believe in many, many gods. I don't say you are that, but if you are denying the Trinity, you are not a Christian but you are a Unitarian. Christ is God, and that makes Him the Son of the Father and the one who sends the Spirit, Who is also God. Three Persons in one God. This is what Matthew 28:19 teaches. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
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Praxeas said:
Throughout my years, i have seen many Trinitarians confused about this Trinity doctrine. In my opinion, Oneness is much more understandable. :eek2
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Oneness severely lacks in explanatory power compared with the doctrine of the Trinity.
 
Scotth1960 said:
Dear Truth over Tradition, By correct definition, whoever is Christian is Trinitarian, and whoever is Trinitarian is Christian. Anyone who is not Trinitarian is not a Christian. It would make that person a Unitarian. Or perhaps a polytheist, if you follow Mormonism or Armstrongism, as they believe in many, many gods. I don't say you are that, but if you are denying the Trinity, you are not a Christian but you are a Unitarian. Christ is God, and that makes Him the Son of the Father and the one who sends the Spirit, Who is also God. Three Persons in one God. This is what Matthew 28:19 teaches. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
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Have it your way, or the way of whomever's dogma it is that you subscribe to, still doesn't change the truth of scripture which doesn't support the concept of a trinity. BTW, what is a unitarian and are you aware that the Bible in texts like Psalm 82 teaches that there are many gods?
 
The Bible very much supports the doctrine of the Trinity which is precisely why it became an accepted doctrine of Christianity.
 
Free said:
The Bible very much supports the doctrine of the Trinity which is precisely why it became an accepted doctrine of Christianity.
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Free, AMEN! See Genesis 1:26 through Matthew 28:19, and from Matthew 28:19 through the whole rest of the NT! The Trinity is everywhere in all of the Bible. God is also One God Only, but He is Three Persons. There is no contradiction in this, just A GREAT MYSTERY we cannot hope to understand. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
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I have a question for anybody willing to answer:

First, in full disclosure I don't believe in the Trinity. However, I do believe in the Holy Spirit, but not as God. I do believe in the Father, whose name is YHWH, and who is God. I do believe in the Son, whose name is Yahusha and who is also God. I do not believe that Father and Son are the same being, but they both have the nature of God. The Father is in authority and the Son is under His authority.

That being said....for all those who believe in the Trinity am I a heretic or a real Christian in your eyes for not believing in the 3 in 1?

I ask this because when I read different statements of faith all over the web, belief in the Trinity is almost necessary to confess for many organizations. So if I won't confess it am I seen as someone who could not possibly be a Christian for those of you who believe that the Trinity is at the core of our faith?

Just curious. If anyone can give me a straight answer it will be appreaciated.

Thanks,
Dee
 
INdeed, the doctrine of the Trinity is difficult to understand.

It would seem that you believe in the Father and the Son, and must believe there is a Holy Spirit (that is a set-apart, special Spirit, for there are many verses referring to the Holy Spirit.

And, there are many verses referring to God's creative spirit, which is not His Holy Spirit.

I would not condemn you as a heretic.
 
D4Christ said:
I have a question for anybody willing to answer:

First, in full disclosure I don't believe in the Trinity. However, I do believe in the Holy Spirit, but not as God. I do believe in the Father, whose name is YHWH, and who is God. I do believe in the Son, whose name is Yahusha and who is also God. I do not believe that Father and Son are the same being, but they both have the nature of God. The Father is in authority and the Son is under His authority.

That being said....for all those who believe in the Trinity am I a heretic or a real Christian in your eyes for not believing in the 3 in 1?

I ask this because when I read different statements of faith all over the web, belief in the Trinity is almost necessary to confess for many organizations. So if I won't confess it am I seen as someone who could not possibly be a Christian for those of you who believe that the Trinity is at the core of our faith?

Just curious. If anyone can give me a straight answer it will be appreaciated.

Thanks,
Dee
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Dear friend, If you are a Christian, you will know and love what the NT says, and it says "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19. In Acts, there is a verse referring to the Holy Spirit, which says of one person who was troubling the Apostles of Christ, "You have not lied to men, but to God." The Holy Spirit is God, and someone here in this passage had lied to the Holy Spirit, God, the LORD.
The Holy Spirit is the LORD too. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. Christians of all times have wanted to believe in the Trinity, because the NT teaches the Trinity. Any child of God will know and love that truth. It is not so difficult to find in Scripture: See Matthew 28:19. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
 
jasoncran said:
do you believe in the nature of christ being both man and God?
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Dear jasoncran and friends, This is no problem for us. Christ is true God and true man, one Person in two natures, Divine and human. According to Constantinople I in 381 AD and Chalcedon in 451 AD. And of course they believe that because it comes from the NT BIBLE. In Erie Scott Harrington
 
ok, being a former jw the only reason i believed in the trinity was the holy spirit told me that was his nature and a pastor mentioned that the lord was triune in nature.

others may have to see that for themselves as the h.s. has to reaveal that to them.

all the bible states is that you must believe the jesus is the son of God and also that he is God.

she meets both those.

i'm sorry what would paul say on the nature of God if he was alive today?
 
jasoncran said:
ok, being a former jw the only reason i believed in the trinity was the holy spirit told me that was his nature and a pastor mentioned that the lord was triune in nature.

others may have to see that for themselves as the h.s. has to reaveal that to them.

all the bible states is that you must believe the jesus is the son of God and also that he is God.

she meets both those.

i'm sorry what would paul say on the nature of God if he was alive today?
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Dear jasoncran, The "nature of God" remains always a mystery incomprehensible by the minds of finite men. But the persons of God are knowable and lovable: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We can know Who God is in His Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but not what God is in His inner nature, this is hidden from all human beings, and from the angels. God is a Holy Mystery beyond all human comprehension. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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