Under Grace not Under Law

[Papyrus_dust]

Ephesians 2:8-9
Philippians 3:9
Under Grace not Under Law

I'm under grace now, I'm no longer under the law, so I don't need to keep God's law, the ten commandments.

This is the most popular phrase I keep hearing with regards to the law of God, and keeping the Bible ten commandments. But what is the truth about being under grace and not under the law? Those professing Christians who claim that we no longer need to keep the law of God, ie, the ten commandments, often quote certain verses from the apostle Paul. One of the most popular verses being in Romans 6:14 ..... 'For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'......Full teaching

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Copied from the last paragraphs of the article.

Revelation 14:12 .....'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.'

Yes we are under grace, but that doesn't and shouldn't stop us from keeping the law of God found in the Bible ten commandments. We are no longer under the law of sin and death, as Christ Jesus has freed us from this law, the law of the flesh. He paid the full price for our sin, but we should NEVER use His grace as an excuse to carry on living in sin. So the next time you think "Oh I'm under grace not under law", take a look at the WHOLE council of God and think on what Jesus did for you. He gave you a pardon from your death sentence. Are you now going to continue breaking the very law that put you in that death sentence in the first place? Are you going to count the love of Christ so cheaply? May God guide you into His truth about being under His grace.

 

[Jim Parker]

So the next time you think "Oh I'm under grace not under law", take a look at the WHOLE council of God and think on what Jesus did for you.

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

 

[Justicewolf]

Taking Romans out of context doesn't make it righteous. What is obvious in verse 15 to others is Paul is asking a question. Not making a decree that Christians are under the law. We're not.
To put it simply. "shall we sin because we are under grace? Certainly not!"

Great post. If we're still sinners we weren't saved by the grace of God. Redeemed in Christ means washing ourselves clean of our sins. If we were to be sinners still the entire good news would be false reporting. That of course is not true. No matter how much the Devil wishes we'd believe that rather than in Christ and his sacrifice to take away the sins of the world.

This is for you Papyrus.
Enjoy. Acts 17:11
Are Christians Sinners or Saints?

A Christian can properly say, “I was a sinner, but have been saved by grace.”

1 John 3:6). We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him (1 John 5:18).

How good was my friends advice? Was my friend “living in him”? According to the Apostle John, if my friend was sinning hundreds of times each day he was not living in Christ Jesus and did not have a saving faith. Twice John says Christians do NOT continue to sin.

Just how serious is sinning? Is it a good idea not to sin because it may offend others? Or does sin carry with it eternal consequences? Jesus answered those questions with a gruesome example to make his point:

“If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell” (Matthew 5:29-30).

As his example shows, Jesus connected sinning with being condemned to hell. In his parable of the weeds, Jesus further confirmed that sin will cause condemnation when he said, “The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil” (Matthew 13:41).

The writer to the Hebrews addressed the issue of deliberately continuing in sin. His warning is frightening:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26).

It would appear that those who have received the knowledge of the truth but thereafter deliberately continue in sin are in a terrible position. They are called enemies of God.

In our 21st century, it is politically correct to have a tolerant attitude toward almost everything. That seems to include sin. There is not an abhorrence of sin, of seeing it through God’s eyes, nor a recognition that continuing in sin will prevent a person from inheriting the kingdom of God. Not concerned about being politically correct, Paul wrote:

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat (1 Corinthians 5:11).

Paul warns that a person who continues in sin (a sinner), but who calls himself a Christian brother, is dangerous to the health of the body and should be shunned. From John’s writings we know that such a person is not a true believer even though he may be a professing Christian.

We know that Christians will one day enjoy eternity with God in heaven. But what about sinners? Is it possible that they can also go to heaven? Paul answers that:

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21. See also Ephesians 5:5-6 and Colossians 3:5-10).

For the many sins Paul listed above (and other sins like them), Paul said those who live like this will NOT go to heaven. They are not Christians. They are not saved. Paul said those who live like that will not inherit the kingdom of God. In Colossians 3:5, he added that because of such sins the wrath of God is coming and sinners will face the wrath of God. God will condemn sinners because they continue in rebellion against the Lord Jesus who has commanded that we not sin.

Paul emphasized: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23). At Romans 2:5, Paul states: “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

Paul recited for the Colossians sins that will invoke God’s wrath:

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming (Colossians 3:5).

All these warnings are directed to Christians. They are obviously intended to warn the Christians against the sins Paul has listed and to show that the life of the true believer is quite unlike the life of the unbeliever who often participates in such sins.

God’s wrath is never exercised toward his children – those Christians with a true, saving faith. His wrath is always toward those who are in rebellion to him, who have chosen not to receive his Son Jesus as their Lord. The visible evidence of that rebellion and rejection of Jesus as Lord is a life lived in sin.

Galatians 5:18-21. No

 

[Jim Parker]

1 John 3:6). We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin;

That statement must be balanced by something else John said.
1Jo 1:8-10
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Someone born of God does not continue to sin as a way of life.
That does not mean that he never sins again because no one is perfected this side of the resurrection. Until that time, ALL believers sin. The difference is that they hate the sin, whereas before, it was standard procedure.

But if we confess our sin, God forgives us and cleanses us of all unrighteousness.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Great scripture Jim. Johns preaching to the unsaved Jews who would not yet be born of God would indeed precede what was in 1st John 3:6 and as pertains to those who are redeemed of their sins , are saved, and in Christ. And building to the leading of those unsaved Jews and others who heard John preach, would also be applicable in the foretelling of the benefits of salvation by teaching 1John3:6 first and then how to arrive at that state through the redemption from sin message in 1John 1:8-10.

Great sequencing of preaching and events there.
1Jo 1:8-10
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 3:6). We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin;

Or/
1 John 3:6). We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin;
1Jo 1:8-10
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Either sequence would work in order to teach salvation through forgiveness of sins so as to enter into the eternal covenant for which Jesus died to give the world.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

This is for you Papyrus.
Enjoy. Acts 17:11
Are Christians Sinners or Saints?

That's a lot of reading there. Thank you for thinking of me. I responded to Jim first because it was a short post. Your resource will take me a minute to read and digest. However, I wanted to thank you for thinking of me and the link. I like the looks of the site too. And especially the Berean philosophy from scripture that appears to have inspired them to open a site on the net. Thank you again.

 

[Jim Parker]

Johns preaching to the unsaved Jews

Actually, those letters were written when John was in Ephesus acting as essentially the archbishop of the churches in Asia (modern Turkey) and was writing to saved Gentiles not to unsaved Jews.

iakov the fool

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Finished. With that entry. Not the site and all its articles of course.
This may help here in clearing a lot of repeating that has occurred in other discussions of this nature. The conclusion of the article and a very important scripture reminder as well. Again, thank you sister. This article can be a great help to a lot of people. The saved and the sinners who find their way here.

I'll be pasting little excerpts of scripture and then the conclusion. That should help. And maybe inspire someone to read the whole article. Not that much really when most Christians know the passages being shared in that article already. The explanation and bringing together the eternal salvation , eternal life, message is very concise. I love that part especially. Maybe it will help.
Pasting now. And not necessarily in the order the scriptures appear in the article. I like too that they use the old testament to bring the new covenant message into full focus.

This part especially is great because it speaks back to that argument from the Arminian doctrine. Those who argue salvation is not eternal. And while thinking they're speaking to those they presume are Calvinists. And it reiterates what has been spoken of in a different discussion, that of what is known today as nominal (name only) Christians.

I'll highlight in color to set dialog's apart. Mine from that of the article excerpts.
There are 28 uses of the word “sinners” and 13 of the word “sinner” in the New Testament Scripture. None refer to people who have come to a saving faith in the Lord Jesus.
Jesus revealed that a purpose of his coming was to save sinners:
“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (Mark 2:17. See also Luke 15:7,10 and Matthew 9:12-13).



"What will happen to the millions of people who believe they can deliberately keep on sinning because all their future sins are forgiven? My heart simply breaks for all those people in churches teaching this doctrine. Scripture is NOT ambiguous on this subject. It is overwhelmingly clear. Furthermore, it is repetitive, stressing this theme over and over. Yet millions of people who do not bother to personally know Scripture, but who trust the teachings of their pastors and churches, are headed for hell if they deliberately continue in sin. They may be some who are referred to in the following parable told by Jesus:

“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’

“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’

“Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’

“But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’ (Luke 13:24-27).

Are you grasping the horror of that parable? These are people who not only know about Jesus, they think they know him. They will be knocking, wanting and expecting to enter the kingdom of God. They will tell Jesus, “We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.” But he will say, “I don’t know you or where you come from.” He calls them evildoers! What do evildoers do? They continue in sin! " "



"Paul described to the Ephesians how God viewed them before they came to faith in the Lord Jesus:

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3). "



Conclusion
Never in the New Testament Scriptures are true Christians called sinners. Rather, sinners are those who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and are subject to the wrath of God. Those who continue in sin do not know God and have never known him. Those who have received the knowledge of the truth but deliberately keep on sinning have only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26).

It is neither accurate nor appropriate for a Christian to use the saying, “I’m just a sinner saved by grace.” It is both accurate and appropriate to declare: “I was a sinner, but have been saved by grace through faith.”

True believers are frequently referred to as saints. They are expected to live blameless and holy lives before God. Scripture reveals the special place in God’s heart for his saints.

Sinners and saints will be judged according to what they have done. Saints will be rewarded according to what they have done. Sinners will be judged and condemned according to what they have done.

Tragically millions may be lost, deprived of salvation, because of false teaching, most notably the doctrine of unconditional eternal security, “once saved, always saved.” This doctrine also teaches that once one has had a salvation experience, all future sins are forgiven. This doctrine is false! It is foreign to the Scriptures.

Salvation is for those who receive Jesus Christ as their Lord. True followers of the Lord Jesus are obedient to his teachings and commands and do the will of God their father. Those who persevere to the end will enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Actually, those letters were written when John was in Ephesus acting as essentially the archbishop of the churches in Asia (modern Turkey) and was writing to saved Gentiles not to unsaved Jews.

iakov the fool

Not true. This is what is commonly known as the Johannine letters.

"1 John itself contains no hint of the identity of the Christian community to which it was addressed, nor does it give any specific clue to the identification of the locale involved where these believers lived. The only thing that can be said for certain about the intended readers based on the content of the letter itself is that (1) they were Christians, (2) they appear to have been well-known to the author (and he to them), and (3) they were facing a threat from false teaching, a threat which was both serious and which appears to have arisen from within their Christian community(1 John 2:18-19)." (continues 2. Background and Setting of 1 John (Author)W. Hall Harris III is Professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary and is also the Project Director and Managing Editor for the NET Bible)

 

[Jim Parker]

Never in the New Testament Scriptures are true Christians called sinners.

The term "sinner" refers to someone who has not repented and believed in Jesus and whose life is characterized by self centered behavior and sin. (As in 1Cor 6:9-10)
But there is nothing in scripture that says that born again, spirit filled, saved and faithful believers never sin. John tells us; "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." and that "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:8-9)
Note that John says "we" and, thereby, includes himself among those who from time to time sin.
The term "sinner" refers to a person whose way of life is characterized by sin.
While a saved person may sin, his life is not characterized by sin.
When we are risen from the dead and joined to Christ in His kingdom, then we will be completely sinless. (And, of course, we do not sin while our bodies are dead and buried!)

Tragically millions may be lost, deprived of salvation, because of false teaching, most notably the doctrine of unconditional eternal security, “once saved, always saved.” This doctrine also teaches that once one has had a salvation experience, all future sins are forgiven. This doctrine is false! It is foreign to the Scriptures.

Salvation is for those who receive Jesus Christ as their Lord. True followers of the Lord Jesus are obedient to his teachings and commands and do the will of God their father. Those who persevere to the end will enter the kingdom of heaven.

:amen

 

[Jim Parker]

Not true. This is what is commonly known as the Johannine letters.

Yeah.
Because they were written by John

"1 John itself contains no hint of the identity of the Christian community to which it was addressed, nor does it give any specific clue to the identification of the locale involved where these believers lived. The only thing that can be said for certain about the intended readers based on the content of the letter itself is that (1) they were Christians, (2) they appear to have been well-known to the author (and he to them), and (3) they were facing a threat from false teaching, a threat which was both serious and which appears to have arisen from within their Christian community(1 John 2:18-19)."

So they were written to the Christian community.
Eusebius reported that John was the leader of the churches in Asia and, specifically, at Ephesus.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Yeah.
Because they were written by John

Very good.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

The term "sinner" refers to someone who has not repented and believed in Jesus and whose life is characterized by self centered behavior and sin. (As in 1Cor 6:9-10)
But there is nothing in scripture that says that born again, spirit filled, saved and faithful believers never sin. John tells us; "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." and that "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:8-9)
Note that John says "we" and, thereby, includes himself among those who from time to time sin.
The term "sinner" refers to a person whose way of life is characterized by sin.
While a saved person may sin, his life is not characterized by sin.
When we are risen from the dead and joined to Christ in His kingdom, then we will be completely sinless. (And, of course, we do not sin while our bodies are dead and buried!)



:amen

Just for readers edification , this is not in the linked article to the Berean site. "The term "sinner" refers to someone who has not repented and believed in Jesus and whose life is characterized by self centered behavior and sin. (As in 1Cor 6:9-10)
But there is nothing in scripture that says that born again, spirit filled, saved and faithful believers never sin"

This however, is in the article.

Are Sinners Christians?
As a new believer my wife Dar and I often went for brunch after church with our friends. I clearly remember asking the men what they thought about living a pure and holy life. I’ll always remember the response of one of them: “Bernie, we sin hundreds of times every day. All you have to do is confess your sin and God is faithful and just to forgive you.” By that time I had read 1 John and knew what the Apostle said in his first epistle about the relationship to God of people who continue in sin:

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him (1 John 3:6). We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him (1 John 5:18).

How good was my friends advice? Was my friend “living in him”? According to the Apostle John, if my friend was sinning hundreds of times each day he was not living in Christ Jesus and did not have a saving faith. Twice John says Christians do NOT continue to sin.

Just how serious is sinning? Is it a good idea not to sin because it may offend others? Or does sin carry with it eternal consequences? Jesus answered those questions with a gruesome example to make his point:

“If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell” (Matthew 5:29-30).

As his example shows, Jesus connected sinning with being condemned to hell. In his parable of the weeds, Jesus further confirmed that sin will cause condemnation when he said, “The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil” (Matthew 13:41).

The writer to the Hebrews addressed the issue of deliberately continuing in sin. His warning is frightening:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26).

It would appear that those who have received the knowledge of the truth but thereafter deliberately continue in sin are in a terrible position. They are called enemies of God.

In our 21st century, it is politically correct to have a tolerant attitude toward almost everything. That seems to include sin. There is not an abhorrence of sin, of seeing it through God’s eyes, nor a recognition that continuing in sin will prevent a person from inheriting the kingdom of God. Not concerned about being politically correct, Paul wrote:

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat (1 Corinthians 5:11).

Paul warns that a person who continues in sin (a sinner), but who calls himself a Christian brother, is dangerous to the health of the body and should be shunned. From John’s writings we know that such a person is not a true believer even though he may be a professing Christian.

We know that Christians will one day enjoy eternity with God in heaven. But what about sinners? Is it possible that they can also go to heaven? Paul answers that:

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21. See also Ephesians 5:5-6 and Colossians 3:5-10).

For the many sins Paul listed above (and other sins like them), Paul said those who live like this will NOT go to heaven. They are not Christians. They are not saved. Paul said those who live like that will not inherit the kingdom of God. In Colossians 3:5, he added that because of such sins the wrath of God is coming and sinners will face the wrath of God. God will condemn sinners because they continue in rebellion against the Lord Jesus who has commanded that we not sin.

Paul emphasized: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23). At Romans 2:5, Paul states: “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

Paul recited for the Colossians sins that will invoke God’s wrath:

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming (Colossians 3:5).

All these warnings are directed to Christians. They are obviously intended to warn the Christians against the sins Paul has listed and to show that the life of the true believer is quite unlike the life of the unbeliever who often participates in such sins.

God’s wrath is never exercised toward his children – those Christians with a true, saving faith. His wrath is always toward those who are in rebellion to him, who have chosen not to receive his Son Jesus as their Lord. The visible evidence of that rebellion and rejection of Jesus as Lord is a life lived in sin.

Can We Be Saved and Live in Sin?
Is it possible to be a true Christian, to be “saved” and yet “live like this”? (See Galatians 5:18-21). No....... the full Berean article is in full here http://www.bereanpublishers.com/are-christians-sinners-or-saints/

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Aramaic Bible in plain English
Luke 5:30-32 And the Scribes and the Pharisees were complaining and they were saying to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with the Tax Collectors and sinners?”And Yeshua answered and he said to them, “A doctor is not sought for the healthy but for those who have become very ill.”“I have not come that I may call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”


[paste:font size="4"][1] I discussed the present tense issue as Paul created the same difficulty by using the present tense in Romans 7:14-24. Both passages appear inconsistent with the rest of Scripture because of Paul’s present tense use of the verbs. He makes it sound as if it were applicable to him at the time he wrote it. After we look at this anomaly more closely, I’m sure you’ll see that the unusual use of verbs is Paul’s writing style and is/was a common Hebrew way of writing.

In the Preface to Young’s Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, the translator tells us of two principles to understand about Hebrew writers (even though they may be writing in the Greek language):

I. That the Hebrews were in the habit of using the past tense to express the certainty of an action taking place, even though the action might not really be performed for some time.

II. That the Hebrews, in referring to events which might be either past or future were accustomed to act on the principle of transferring themselves mentally to the period and place of the events themselves, and were not content with coldly viewing them as those of a bygone or still coming time; hence the very frequent use of the present tense (emphasis added).

Apparently, that is what Paul did. He placed himself in the past as though it were the present. Since that is not the western way of speaking and writing, it has caused much confusion in understanding these passages. Based on what the other scriptures say about “sinners,” you can make your own judgment on whether Paul is the worst of sinners or whether using present tense when speaking of a past situation is true of Paul’s writing in this instance.

Cut from the Berean article;http://www.bereanpublishers.com/are-christians-sinners-or-saints/#_Toc499463049

 

[Jim Parker]

"The term "sinner" refers to someone who has not repented and believed in Jesus and whose life is characterized by self centered behavior and sin. (As in 1Cor 6:9-10)
But there is nothing in scripture that says that born again, spirit filled, saved and faithful believers never sin"

That's my view too

 

[JLB]

Yes we are under grace, but that doesn't and shouldn't stop us from keeping the law of God found in the Bible ten commandments.

Amen.

 

[MCoop]

Finished. With that entry. Not the site and all its articles of course.
This may help here in clearing a lot of repeating that has occurred in other discussions of this nature. The conclusion of the article and a very important scripture reminder as well. Again, thank you sister. This article can be a great help to a lot of people. The saved and the sinners who find their way here.

I'll be pasting little excerpts of scripture and then the conclusion. That should help. And maybe inspire someone to read the whole article. Not that much really when most Christians know the passages being shared in that article already. The explanation and bringing together the eternal salvation , eternal life, message is very concise. I love that part especially. Maybe it will help.
Pasting now. And not necessarily in the order the scriptures appear in the article. I like too that they use the old testament to bring the new covenant message into full focus.

This part especially is great because it speaks back to that argument from the Arminian doctrine. Those who argue salvation is not eternal. And while thinking they're speaking to those they presume are Calvinists. And it reiterates what has been spoken of in a different discussion, that of what is known today as nominal (name only) Christians.

I'll highlight in color to set dialog's apart. Mine from that of the article excerpts.
There are 28 uses of the word “sinners” and 13 of the word “sinner” in the New Testament Scripture. None refer to people who have come to a saving faith in the Lord Jesus.
Jesus revealed that a purpose of his coming was to save sinners:
“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (Mark 2:17. See also Luke 15:7,10 and Matthew 9:12-13).



"What will happen to the millions of people who believe they can deliberately keep on sinning because all their future sins are forgiven? My heart simply breaks for all those people in churches teaching this doctrine. Scripture is NOT ambiguous on this subject. It is overwhelmingly clear. Furthermore, it is repetitive, stressing this theme over and over. Yet millions of people who do not bother to personally know Scripture, but who trust the teachings of their pastors and churches, are headed for hell if they deliberately continue in sin. They may be some who are referred to in the following parable told by Jesus:

“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’

“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’

“Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’

“But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’ (Luke 13:24-27).

Are you grasping the horror of that parable? These are people who not only know about Jesus, they think they know him. They will be knocking, wanting and expecting to enter the kingdom of God. They will tell Jesus, “We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.” But he will say, “I don’t know you or where you come from.” He calls them evildoers! What do evildoers do? They continue in sin! " "



"Paul described to the Ephesians how God viewed them before they came to faith in the Lord Jesus:

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3). "



Conclusion
Never in the New Testament Scriptures are true Christians called sinners. Rather, sinners are those who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and are subject to the wrath of God. Those who continue in sin do not know God and have never known him. Those who have received the knowledge of the truth but deliberately keep on sinning have only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26).

It is neither accurate nor appropriate for a Christian to use the saying, “I’m just a sinner saved by grace.” It is both accurate and appropriate to declare: “I was a sinner, but have been saved by grace through faith.”

True believers are frequently referred to as saints. They are expected to live blameless and holy lives before God. Scripture reveals the special place in God’s heart for his saints.

Sinners and saints will be judged according to what they have done. Saints will be rewarded according to what they have done. Sinners will be judged and condemned according to what they have done.

Tragically millions may be lost, deprived of salvation, because of false teaching, most notably the doctrine of unconditional eternal security, “once saved, always saved.” This doctrine also teaches that once one has had a salvation experience, all future sins are forgiven. This doctrine is false! It is foreign to the Scriptures.

Salvation is for those who receive Jesus Christ as their Lord. True followers of the Lord Jesus are obedient to his teachings and commands and do the will of God their father. Those who persevere to the end will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Unconditional eternal security.. So if that’s false I assume CONDITIONAL eternal security is what’s being promoted by this article? Unconditional eternal security is actually unconditional eternal salvation. So basically, being under grace is unconditional. That’s the grace that saves. Salvation is unconditional by Gods Sovereign grace in Christ. So if this article promotes conditions that a believer must maintain to keep his salvation, then that’s a false gospel. There is no doubt salvation results in a repentant heart of obedience to Christ and a desire to live holy, but to say our efforts maintains or keeps our eternal security, is not only false, but a complete denial of the gospel of Christ Jesus

 

[Justicewolf]

Unconditional eternal security.. So if that’s false I assume CONDITIONAL eternal security is what’s being promoted by this article? Unconditional eternal security is actually unconditional eternal salvation. So basically, being under grace is unconditional. That’s the grace that saves. Salvation is unconditional by Gods Sovereign grace in Christ. So if this article promotes conditions that a believer must maintain to keep his salvation, then that’s a false gospel. There is no doubt salvation results in a repentant heart of obedience to Christ and a desire to live holy, but to say our efforts maintains or keeps our eternal security, is not only false, but a complete denial of the gospel of Christ Jesus

From the history of such discussions, I await the hornets nest you just knocked over with this remark, That’s the grace that saves. Salvation is unconditional by Gods Sovereign grace in Christ. So if this article promotes conditions that a believer must maintain to keep his salvation, then that’s a false gospel. And I do agree with you there.
Especially as that observation you are making is what has been argued by some and to great length in threads of this nature.
Good for you for daring to say that outright.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Unconditional eternal security.. So if that’s false I assume CONDITIONAL eternal security is what’s being promoted by this article? Unconditional eternal security is actually unconditional eternal salvation. So basically, being under grace is unconditional. That’s the grace that saves. Salvation is unconditional by Gods Sovereign grace in Christ. So if this article promotes conditions that a believer must maintain to keep his salvation, then that’s a false gospel. There is no doubt salvation results in a repentant heart of obedience to Christ and a desire to live holy, but to say our efforts maintains or keeps our eternal security, is not only false, but a complete denial of the gospel of Christ Jesus

Agreed. And I don't believe that is what the article is saying.

 

[Jim Parker]

So if this article promotes conditions that a believer must maintain to keep his salvation, then that’s a false gospel.

Even if the New Testament says there are conditions?
It specifically says that there are conditions.

COL 1:21-23
And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,
yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight — IF YOU CONTINUE IN YOUR FAITH, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.

and

Heb 3:14
We have come to share in Christ IF WE HOLD FIRMLY TILL THE END THE CONFIDENCE WE HAD AT FIRST.

and

2 PE 1:5-10
For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For IF you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But IF anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, YOU WILL NEVER FALL,

and

2 PE 2:15a They have forsaken the right way and gone astray,…

2 PE 2:20-22 For IF, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

and

EZE 18:24 "But IF a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, HE WILL DIE.”

So, the scripture says that there most definitely are conditions.