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What is The Baptism that saves us now?
- Thread starter Runmyramble
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Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
John the Baptist - immersion in water after they repented as a symbol of being made clean. It was not the literal water that saved anyone, but prepared them for the way of the Lord to come.
Baptism of Christ Jesus - Baptism of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and fire (fire means empowerment)
No one can forbid another from being immersed in water as it is only an outward appearance that you have repented and accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Either one believes in what has already been written, especially in Ephesians 2:8-9, or they believe no of the word of God as Jesus has made it pretty clear how we are saved.
Your answer didn't make any sense.
My question was..."God gave us the gifts of repentance from sin and water baptism.
Does that mean availing ourselves of them is not of faith?"
Does your "Yes" mean that availing ourselves of repentance and baptism in not of faith?
Mungo
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Jesus is clear as to when we are saved: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved".
That is belief + baptism (in water) = salvation.
Peter says "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you"(1Pet3:21)
I'm not saying it's the water that saves us. We are saved by grace. But that saving grace is applied in baptism.
We need faith, but faith alone is not enough. Scripture never says that faith alone saves us.
Then perhaps you are saying baptism is meaningless?
16:16 he that believes and is baptized shall be saved
Matt 28:19 faith and baptism
Acts 2:38-39 repent and be baptized (promise of ez 36:25)
Acts 8:36-38 faith and baptism
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism
1 pet 3:21 baptism saves us
The fire I believe represents the love of God
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Faith grace repentance baptism all included
Baptism is a public declaration made by someone who has in faith accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour.
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So when we first believed we were saved?
When we first believed and accepted Jesus into our heart and life in faith we were saved.
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Mungo
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So where does scripture say "Baptism is a public declaration made by someone who has in faith accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour" as opposed to scripture actually saying that baptism saves us (MK 16:16 & 1Pet 3:21)
Really? Please explain Matt 24:13 and Mk 16:16 and rom 13:11?When we first believed and accepted Jesus into our heart and life in faith we were saved.
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Too many more to mention
Many false prophets shall rise, (we have them here) and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (Matthew 24:11-13 KJV)
The above scripture needs to go into the backslider's pigeonhole (many shall wax cold). It tells us that those who stand fast and endure persecution to the end without backsliding will be delivered at Christ's Second Coming. Only those who have true faith shall be saved.
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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16 KJV)
Verse 16 is about the importance of believing (those who believe not. This includes backsliders). It is used by some to teach the necessity of water baptism for salvation. We know it cannot mean that for the following reasons:
1. The thief on the cross was not baptized, yet he was assured of being in Paradise with Christ (Luk_23:43).
2. The Gentiles in Caesarea were baptized after they were saved (Act_10:44-48).
3. Jesus Himself did not baptize (Joh_4:1-2)—a strange omission if baptism were necessary for salvation.
4. Paul thanked God that he baptized very few of the Corinthians (1Co_1:14-16)—an impossible thanksgiving if baptism were essential for salvation.
5. Baptism is connected with the death and burial of the old man not with spiritual birth.
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And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. (Romans 13:11 KJV)
This is in line with the teaching of Jesus and the Ten Virgins who needed to be ready and prepared for His return. “for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.”
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You said when you first believed you were saved, rom 13:11 says not
Also why do you need to grow in grace and faith is one act of faith not enough? Do you get more salvation
(Romans 13:11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Romans 13:11 says nothing about water baptism. Furthermore, does it say we are saved (1) now, (2) does it say our salvation is nearer, (3) or are you taking it out of context? Think about the parable of the Ten Virgins.
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Scrub what I said in the previous post. We are saved when we turn to Jesus in faith believing that is true, but the "Day of Salvation" in Romans 13:11 is the second coming of Christ. The day of His returning.
The Amplified Bible Classic Edition says:
10 Love does no wrong to one's neighbor [it never hurts anybody]. Therefore love meets all the requirements and is the fulfilling of the Law.
11 Besides this you know what [a critical] hour this is, how it is high time now for you to wake up out of your sleep (rouse to reality). For salvation (final deliverance) is nearer to us now than when we first believed (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Christ, the Messiah).
12 The night is far gone and the day is almost here. Let us then drop (fling away) the works and deeds of darkness and put on the [full] armor of light.
Sorry about that.
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Mungo
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Baptism is the faith of being with Christ into death, to believe in being risen up from that dead by the glory of God to walk in newness of life. ( the faith of the operation of God, raising Christ our Lord and Saviour from the dead.)
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Now we are always bearing in that body the dying of the Lord Jesus ( through baptism, baptized unto His death.) that the life also of Christ is made manifest ( light, made public this way) in our body, as we who live are always delivered unto death for the sake of Christ, to manifest the life of Christ in our flesh.
2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Now we are always bearing in that body the dying of the Lord Jesus ( through baptism, baptized unto His death.) that the life also of Christ is made manifest ( light, made public this way) in our body, as we who live are always delivered unto death for the sake of Christ, to manifest the life of Christ in our flesh.
2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
It’s has been said that “Faith alone” one act of faith or the sinners prayer saves in the first moment you believe and this verse rom 13:11 seems to contradict faith alone like 1 cor 13:2 & 1 cor 13:13 Phil 1:29
I’ll be happy to send you all the verses that prove faith and baptism
Start with Mk 16:16
Thanks
It’s all good
Edward
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Scripture doesn't say it, but it is there for those who have eyes to see it. The thief that was crucified beside Jesus wasn't baptized, so do you think He was not saved because of no baptism? Jesus said He would.
So baptism or no baptizm will not keep anyone out of Heaven on it's own. Is Baptism better than no Baptism? Of course it is! It is at least, your statement to the world that....Christ Jesus is my God and Savior. It is a light unto the world of hope. So let your light shine before men.