abomination of desolation

[Stormcrow]

Come on Storm,do you really believe you are living on the new earth right now?

You actually think Christ would have the following,

Sorrow
Pain
Rape
Murder
Wars
Hunger
Evil
lies
Deceite
Death

happening in His Kingdom?You would have the people saying,dang we could have stayed in Egypt

Have you been to the New Jerusalem?When did you sing the song of Mosses?

It's sad,to love God and be in my opinion worse than the scoffer's who say,where is the promise of your coming for you say,He's not coming at all.....

Guess I'll go to sleep on that one...Back on 2night.....

You see His reign as utopia. He didn't promise us that:

{32} "Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. {33} "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world." John 16:32-33 (NASB)

{1} Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, {2} even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. {3} "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. {4} "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. {5}"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:1-5 (NASB)

He ALREADY reigns as He did with the Father in time past eternal!

He reigns over all and His church is His body: the new "heavens and earth."

In another post I asked Jason if he understood the significance of scarlet, blue and purple in the Temple, and why the veil was made of these colors. Do you know the significance of these things???

Blue represented the heavens, both the heavenly abode of God and the sky.

Scarlet represented earth from which man was created, and blood, which covered his sin.

Mixing scarlet and blue creates purple. Purple represents Christ: the King of heaven who came to earth as the perfect sacrifice to cleanse us from all sin and to restore fellowship between God and man.

In other words, purple represents the union of heaven and earth in one man: Jesus Christ.

These colors were used in the temple because the temple was the seat of God's presence here on earth: IT was the focus of the union of God and man under the Old Covenant, where priests were continually offering sacrifices on behalf of the people.

But God has done away with that temple. It represented the old "heavens and earth" and was burned up in 70AD!

The veil was colored these things because Christ's flesh is the veil through which we all must pass to enter the presence of God now.

His blood was the blood of the sacrifice that was sprinkled on the mercy seat for your forgiveness.

Now, if all you see is murder, rape, and sin all around you it's because the church is not doing a very good job getting people into the presence of God, where the "peace that passes all understanding" can be found.

Don't blame Christ because He hasn't done enough to bring peace on earth. What's left to do is up to you. 2

 

[reba]

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


The above verse is the only Biblical description of His Kingdom i have found. Anyone got another?

 

[Elijah674]

Is it to simple to think of the Lord's prayer with 'Thy Kingdom Come..' being Rev. 21's Holy City, New Jersulam?

 

[Stormcrow]

Is it to simple to think of the Lord's prayer with 'Thy Kingdom Come..' being Rev. 21's Holy City, New Jersulam?

His kingdom has already come. Reba has it exactly right. The church is "New Jerusalem", His bride. Israel was His bride in the Old Covenant. She forsook the covenant of God and became the "harlot" (adulterous wife) who rejected her husband, Christ, the Messiah.

Believing Jews and Gentiles are His bride now: we, the Church. That's what New Jerusalem symbolizes.

 

[tim-from-pa]

:nag Ezekiel didn't prophesy where you live. If you can't glean from scripture where on the globe your hoped for literal, physical, Ezekiel's temple is to be, then just admit it.

I know the answer. I was just wondering if the one I addressed it to did. It's a straightforward geographical question that an educated person ought to know since the subject of educated people came up.

Ok. If you like I can ask what is the direction to Australia from the eastern USA instead.

 

[jasoncran]

yes but reba believes in second coming of christ. unlike some of the preterists here,

and uh this preterist authority does take 2 peter 3 literally.

2 Peter 3:10 (King James Version) :: Adam Clarke :: Bible Tools

sigh if that which is perfect come then why do we bother praying for healings? surely the gift of per one corinthians 12 is done away with, no need for words from the lord etc.

no need to have men of great faith that do pray and have it answered anymore per this one verse.

its came already per stormcrow.

read one cor 13. that which is perfect come eliminates all spiritual gifts. no need to have them in any church. we should know it all by now.
hint if its to come it can be us dying we go to him not he comes for us. and if it was death and that way paul would have stated that clearly!

 

[Stormcrow]

yes but reba believes in second coming of christ. unlike some of the preterists here,

Once again, it doesn't matter what you, I, or anyone else believes. What does the Bible say about these things?

Are you going to argue - like some others - that Christ was "in error" when He said that all those things would befall that generation? Or maybe He just didn't know what He was talking about?

What kind of ignorant, error-prone god would that make Him? Would such an ignoramus or habitual liar be worthy of the lives of those who died following Him???

I don't present doctrine. I present His words. If you have a problem with them, please, by all means, take them up with Him.

 

[Sinthesis]

I know the answer. I was just wondering if the one I addressed it to did. It's a straightforward geographical question that an educated person ought to know since the subject of educated people came up.

Ok. If you like I can ask what is the direction to Australia from the eastern USA instead.

Your question is irrelevant.

Lehigh3 didn't ask you where Ezekiel's temple would be; I did. In the millennium, where will the physical manifestation of Ezekiel's temple be located? If you can't glean from scripture where on the globe your hoped for literal, physical, Ezekiel's temple is to be, then just admit it. You claim to know the answer, so prove it.

 

[n2thelight]

His kingdom has already come. Reba has it exactly right. The church is "New Jerusalem", His bride. Israel was His bride in the Old Covenant. She forsook the covenant of God and became the "harlot" (adulterous wife) who rejected her husband, Christ, the Messiah.

Believing Jews and Gentiles are His bride now: we, the Church. That's what New Jerusalem symbolizes.

Dosn't add up to scripture.....

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Where is the tabernacle?

Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."

Why are we still feeling pain?Why is there still death?

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Why are these people still here?

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Now for the description

Revelation 21:12 "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:"

Revelation 21:13 "On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates."
Revelation 21:14 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the name of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Revelation 21:15 "And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof."

Revelation 21:16 "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

Revelation 21:17 "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits. According to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."

John is given the dimensions of the four square city of God, the "New Jerusalem". The dimensions are given in units of a reed, furlongs, and cubits. To bring this to units of measurement we can understand, a "reed" is about 3-1/2 of our yards. A "furlong" is approximately 220 yards, and a "cubit" is the length of an arm, about 21-25 inches in length.
When we compare God's "Holy City" to the "holy of holies", we see they were both cubes and proportionate. The "Holy City" a cube of 12,000 furlongs to a side. The "holy of holies" being 20 cubits to a side.

Revelation 21:18 "And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass."

The stone "of jasper" is held as the most precious. In Exodus 28:20 we see that it was the stone in the high priest's breastplate as a symbol of purity, like "a crystal". The jasper stone is the most precious of all the gem stones which are used in Revelation 21:19-21, representing the twelve tribes of Israel. The jasper in the wall shows the importance our Lord held for His disciples, who were at His side when He walked, taught, died and arose while upon the earth, in the flesh.

Revelation 21:21 "And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass."

So you actually have walked the street above?

Now about the sun,why is it still shinning?

Revelation 21:23 "And the city had no need of the son, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Isaiah 60:19 "The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee and everlasting light, and thy God thy glory."

Isaiah 60:20 "Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended."

Don't know what part of His kingdom you are in but it dang sure aint this one!!!!

Oh and one more thing,when Christ feet touch the ground on the Mount of Olives,that earthquake will flatten everything and the Holy City shall fit perfectly

 

[reba]

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:


The tabernacle of David was what we today would call an shade awning.

2Ch 1:4 But the ark of God had David brought up from Kirjathjearim to the place which David had prepared for it: for he had pitched a tent for it at Jerusalem.

1Ch 16:1 So they brought the ark of God, and set it in the midst of the tent that David had pitched for it: and they offered burnt sacrifices and peace offerings before God.


H4908
משׁכּן
mishkân
mish-kawn'
From H7931; a residence (including a shepherd’s hut, the lair of animals, figuratively the grave; also the Temple); specifically the Tabernacle (properly its wooden walls): - dwelleth, dwelling (place), habitation, tabernacle, tent.

H168
אהל
'ôhel
o'-hel
From H166; a tent (as clearly conspicuous from a distance): - covering, (dwelling) (place), home, tabernacle, tent.

 

[Stormcrow]

Dosn't add up to scripture.....

Where is the tabernacle?

Why are we still feeling pain?Why is there still death?

Why are these people still here?

Now for the description

John is given the dimensions of the four square city of God, the "New Jerusalem". The dimensions are given in units of a reed, furlongs, and cubits. To bring this to units of measurement we can understand, a "reed" is about 3-1/2 of our yards. A "furlong" is approximately 220 yards, and a "cubit" is the length of an arm, about 21-25 inches in length.
When we compare God's "Holy City" to the "holy of holies", we see they were both cubes and proportionate. The "Holy City" a cube of 12,000 furlongs to a side. The "holy of holies" being 20 cubits to a side.

The stone "of jasper" is held as the most precious. In Exodus 28:20 we see that it was the stone in the high priest's breastplate as a symbol of purity, like "a crystal". The jasper stone is the most precious of all the gem stones which are used in Revelation 21:19-21, representing the twelve tribes of Israel. The jasper in the wall shows the importance our Lord held for His disciples, who were at His side when He walked, taught, died and arose while upon the earth, in the flesh.

So you actually have walked the street above?

Now about the sun,why is it still shinning?

Don't know what part of His kingdom you are in but it dang sure aint this one!!!!

Oh and one more thing,when Christ feet touch the ground on the Mount of Olives,that earthquake will flatten everything and the Holy City shall fit perfectly

Now, try putting every one of those verses in this context:

{1} The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, Revelation 1:1 (NASB)

{3} Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:3 (NASB)

{6} And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. Revelation 22:6 (NASB)

{10} And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Revelation 22:10 (NASB)

{7} "And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book." Revelation 22:7 (NASB)

{12} "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. Revelation 22:12 (NASB)

{20} He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20 (NASB)

So was Christ lying when He told John to write those things??? Or was He just incompetent and didn't know what He was saying?

You seem to struggle with sorting literal words, like "soon", "quickly" and "near" from symbolic ideas, like a city 1,500 miles cubed! (How's the atmosphere in that penthouse up there???)

I don't care what you believe, but when you believe in something that causes you to write this:

If Christ was ruling now,I would say He's doing one heck of a bad job!!!!

Then I can safely say that it is NOT from the spirit of Christ, because NO spirit of God would EVER question Christ's authority over ALL things!

 

[n2thelight]

Now, try putting every one of those verses in this context:

{1} The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, Revelation 1:1 (NASB)

{3} Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:3 (NASB)

{6} And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. Revelation 22:6 (NASB)

{10} And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Revelation 22:10 (NASB)

{7} "And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book." Revelation 22:7 (NASB)

{12} "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. Revelation 22:12 (NASB)

{20} He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20 (NASB)

So was Christ lying when He told John to write those things??? Or was He just incompetent and didn't know what He was saying?

You seem to struggle with sorting literal words, like "soon", "quickly" and "near" from symbolic ideas, like a city 1,500 miles cubed! (How's the atmosphere in that penthouse up there???)

I don't care what you believe, but when you believe in something that causes you to write this:

Then I can safely say that it is NOT from the spirit of Christ, because NO spirit of God would EVER question Christ's authority over ALL things!

Ive never questioned Christ authority on anything,so you can kill that noise,He is very much in control of what happens,however He is not yet ruling this earth from Jerusaem,which scripture says He shall.....Period......


As for your soon and near thing you keep refering too

Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Now when did Adam die?And don't give me that crap about him dying spiritually.......

God's time is not your's,I think Peter told you that!!!!




Matthew 24:23 "Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo, here is Christ,' or 'there,' believe it not."


Matthew 24:26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, He is in the desert;' go not forth: 'Behold, He is in the secret chambers;' believe it not."

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

 

[Stormcrow]

Ive never questioned Christ authority on anything

If Christ was ruling now,I would say He's doing one heck of a bad job!!!!

Your own words condemn you.

He is very much in control of what happens,however He is not yet ruling this earth from Jerusaem,which scripture says He shall.....Period......

Try rereading scripture without your "21st century American Evangelical" glasses on.

As for your soon and near thing you keep refering too

Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Now when did Adam die?And don't give me that crap about him dying spiritually.......

God's time is not your's,I think Peter told you that!!!!

So God was just kidding about Adam dying the day He ate the fruit, right? Or was He lying? It's hard to tell with people who change the Word of God to suit their pet dogma. 2

I sense anger in your tone. Why would you be angry unless that's not the Spirit of Christ behind the doctrine?

Matthew 24:23 "Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo, here is Christ,' or 'there,' believe it not."

Matthew 24:26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, He is in the desert;' go not forth: 'Behold, He is in the secret chambers;' believe it not."

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

Given that you do not know the history behind the events of that time, might I suggest refraining from interpreting Christ's words? You've already shown a penchant for not believing them. 2

 

[n2thelight]

Your own words condemn you.

Context,something I see your not good at......



Try rereading scripture without your "21st century American Evangelical" glasses on.

Scripture says He shall rule from Jerusalem,try believing it

So God was just kidding about Adam dying the day He ate the fruit, right? Or was He lying? It's hard to tell with people who change the Word of God to suit their pet dogma. 2

No He wasn't kidding at all,he did die on that day,however it was like 800 and some years later

I sense anger in your tone. Why would you be angry unless that's not the Spirit of Christ behind the doctrine?

Never angry,believe what you will,truth shall come to pass as it is written

Given that you do not know the history behind the events of that time, might I suggest refraining from interpreting Christ's words? You've already shown a penchant for not believing them. 2

Given that you don't know the future behind these events,might I ask of you the same

............

 

[Stormcrow]

Context,something I see your not good at......

Pot, meet kettle.

Check the other thread you recently started. If you actually believe the tripe your source wrote, it would certainly explain how you can be so wrong about everything else.

So God was just kidding about Adam dying the day He ate the fruit, right? Or was He lying? It's hard to tell with people who change the Word of God to suit their pet dogma. 2

No He wasn't kidding at all,he did die on that day,however it was like 800 and some years later

I rest my case.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Your question is irrelevant.

Lehigh3 didn't ask you where Ezekiel's temple would be; I did. In the millennium, where will the physical manifestation of Ezekiel's temple be located? If you can't glean from scripture where on the globe your hoped for literal, physical, Ezekiel's temple is to be, then just admit it. You claim to know the answer, so prove it.

No I'm not going to prove anything to those who have no faith in that. Preterist ideas always come barging into the futurists conversation. Frankly I'm wondering if they could face the return of Christ face-to-face that the idea seems so abhorrent to them. The Lord made it very plain his return would be visible and all the tribes of the earth mourn. They are not happy to see him. Of course not. They are eventually going to the lake of fire.

Not a one, no not a single one of my questions were answered because you and the others don't know but one threw in the idea of "educated" people. So If one can't answer a straightforward question that an "educated" person ought to know without song and dancing, I have to safely conclude one cannot answer a biblical question, either.

OK, I'll give the pleasure of answering one question I asked. Australia is pretty close to due west of Philadelphia Pa near to where I live--- you have to starting flying due west and stay on a straight line to get there. There. Now the score's 1:0 with one correct answer. If one does not know earthly direction, how can they know any other? As for Ezekiel's Temple. It will also be a literal temple in Israel during the Millennium. Oops, I gave two straight and factual answers. I guess that's 2:0.

BTW for the rest out there, there is a relationship between the directional subject I'm talking about and the bible, but that's another topic all in itself.

 

[jasoncran]

Once again, it doesn't matter what you, I, or anyone else believes. What does the Bible say about these things?

Are you going to argue - like some others - that Christ was "in error" when He said that all those things would befall that generation? Or maybe He just didn't know what He was talking about?

What kind of ignorant, error-prone god would that make Him? Would such an ignoramus or habitual liar be worthy of the lives of those who died following Him???

I don't present doctrine. I present His words. If you have a problem with them, please, by all means, take them up with Him.

no sir you claim to know it all, do you run a church ,attend a church?


or do you just do home church. somehow by know that (the bible wasnt even together just a collection of letters in ad 70, and the lxx was the primary source of teachings not the letters as they were read and authoritative but not in the bible that we have know today.

why then did rome exist.

nero was the ac right? lets see how god judged him at his coming.
Life and Death of Nero
In A.D. 65 a plot was discovered in which many eminent Romans were engaged. The poet Lucan and Seneca, the philosopher, together with many others, were put to death. In A.D. 67 Nero travelled to Greece, and performed on the cithara at the Olympian and Isthmian games. Nero also contended for the prize in singing, and put to death a singer whose voice was louder than his own. Stained with every conceivable crime he was haunted by the ghost of the mother he had murdered. Nero was finally dethroned by the Praetorian Guards. Nero then committed suicide on June 9, A.D. 68. He was the last of the Claudian family. No one remained who had an hereditary claim to the empire of Augustus, and the future emperors were selected by the Praetorian Guards or the provincial legions.

hmm before ad 70! so christ came before the attack on jerusalem to judge. and also you have failed to answer, this logically

death what is that which is cast into gehannal? if is the spiritual death then no sinner should be sinning right then? and hell? that is the spiritual place of the dead ere christ on the cross and where he preached to the rightoeus, yet peter said to this day sepulchre is with us in acts 2.

and what is this sorrow and tears that are wiped away. so you dont feel sadness , and tears and suffer?

did you ever think that this means something or is it completed.

mathew 6
pray after this manner"

our father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name, thy will be done on EARTH as it is heaven, thy kingdom come.."

pause right there

so the audience of that that believed werent in the kingdom? they were praying for their salvation despite what jesus said if you believe on him you have life everlasting already.

funny all these churches that disagree with your full preterism(that is what you are) are now teaching lies?

to include the rcc. yup they teach christ is to return.
all protestant denomation to include the modern amil and post mil and millenialists.

nero commited suicide, nothing supernatural on that death and rome survived and tortured christians for yrs after that.

and john was put to death under a far worse emporer.

 

[Stormcrow]

no sir you claim to know it all, do you run a church ,attend a church?

Why do people keep trying to make this about me? 2

somehow by know that (the bible wasnt even together just a collection of letters in ad 70, and the lxx was the primary source of teachings not the letters as they were read and authoritative but not in the bible that we have know today.

I have no idea what that even means! I'm not fluent in "gibberish" so if there's a question or a statement in there somewhere, please feel free to rephrase it!

why then did rome exist.

Ah, because God ordained it to be so?

{1} Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Romans 13:1 (NASB)

Seems simple enough to me!

nero was the ac right? lets see how god judged him at his coming.

No, Nero was the "beast from the earth" in Revelation 13. If you're going to try and trip me up, at least do it using the proper terminology.

There is no "antichrist" mentioned in Revelation. Please provide a reference when you find that word there.

our father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name, thy will be done on EARTH as it is heaven, thy kingdom come.."

pause right there

so the audience of that that believed werent in the kingdom? they were praying for their salvation despite what jesus said if you believe on him you have life everlasting already.

He also said this:

{10} Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel. {11} "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; {12} but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 8:10-12 (NASB)

Where is His kingdom again? "...the kingdom of heaven..." Gee. Wonder why He called it that???

When did He institute it?

{28} "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matthew 12:28 (NASB)

Who's in the kingdom NOW, when did they get there and what is the defining mark of His kingdom???? It's ALL answered in this next verse!!!

{13} For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, {14} in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)

If you're waiting for another kingdom of God to come, you're going to remain perpetually bitter and angry at those who tell you - FROM THE WORD OF GOD ITSELF - that it's ALREADY HERE!!!

funny all these churches that disagree with your full preterism(that is what you are) are now teaching lies?

Ok, assuming for a second that's EXACTLY what I am? How does that change the verse I just quoted you???

Trying to label me and make this about what I believe doesn't change what the Bible says!!! You're dealing in strawmen. I'm dealing with the Word!

QED!

 

[jasoncran]

physical buddy or does it matter to God that we pollute his creation, kill his creatures for the fun of it?

does it matter to him how we treat fellow man.if the physical earth is irrevalant to God why then does he command us to do these things. so therefore if the creation is something he tends to(the sparrow,surely it follow all of creation needs to be redeemed)

if the beast is in hell, sigh what was the man of sin that defied the temple? so the beast fell before isreal and yet nero had a sucessor. and that lead to today.

no you come according to you version of the word and claim that all others since the 1900 are wrong.

yet only blog on that. that is why i brought that up.i admit err but since you went there on that and love the rcc.

i can clearly show where the rcc went wrong.

1) God didnt die so that we would have another priesthood to tell us clearly what the bible meant, sure he ordained teachers and that is what he wants but the rcc to this day discourages reading of the bible
2) christmas and pagan holidays have nothing to do in any church period. while not salvinic that wasnt the churches place to redeem any pagan holiday to include easter eggs and christmans and halloween
3) the bible wasnt even together when this ad 70 came to be. so when paul refered to the scriptures it wasnt the letters as they were just letters with authority but the septuagiant lxx a greek translation done 400 yrs before christ and written to hellenistic jews.
4) yes the modern church is off, you err in thinking i said that his kingdom isnt here. i said that one day he will come to judge per that 2 peter 3 verse you like to judge, notice that isreal isnt in that picture. peter refers to the judgment of the men of noahs day and compare the coming fiery judgment to that. were noah a jew, enoch? seth? enos? lamech. nahor? no jews or hebrew existed till abraham was declared by God to be the means of which all nations are to be blessed.

so therefore its logical to say that the judgment peter refers to isnt about isreal but all gentile nations which can include the jews.

that hasnt happened.

God works first in the spiritual adam died spiritually in the day he sinned but he didnt die physically till 968 yrs and 364 days later

unless you take those dates non-literally.show me where in the bible it says we are in heaven forever and ever and have eternal souls? otherwise why the resurrection of the just and unjust as when they die they have to be raised up and given bodies for their judgments?

fear him who both can destroy the body and the soul. yes we have souls that are seperate but they cant be in heaven right at death as per this judgment verse here in revalation

you like the word dont yah.

read it

revalation 20
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

and this that paul stated that he shared with the pharisees in his trial.

acts 24:
14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


so we have just and unjust dying and living today. when are they getting judged?

so again why would we pray per matthew six which most churches teach that we should pray the lord's prayer.

if its here already, the apostles were in it. if we are ambassadors for christ does that mean our kingdom is elsewhere and we are in it already? could that also mean that he is coming to conquer the earth?

ah i see that you believe that satan aka that man of sin is gone as well. hmm interesting that church is defeated(at times) by a concept of the past . surely you have read the screwtape letters. and what lewis said on that is very true.

yet just a thing of the past.

 

[jasoncran]

i know what those verse is.

non physical eh?
only in heaven eh?
isiah 66
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

look at the later there. hmm thats a description peter used.

first off we are already in the kingdom bud but one day christ will come and restore the land back.

when was this fulfilled (which you ignored).

revalation 21:4

with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

you cant expect me to buy into your thinking if that isnt here already, funny spiritual pain? and suffering only means what?
how does one shed spritual tears.?