abomination of desolation

[Stormcrow]

physical buddy or does it matter to God that we pollute his creation, kill his creatures for the fun of it?

:eeeekkk

You win.

 

[jasoncran]

:eeeekkk

You win.

so you cant answer that can you? surely this verse paul mentions

and romans 8

21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

a spiritual body?

this hasnt happened yet.
why would God redeem our flesh that you seem to say doesnt matter as its in the kingdom of heaven. let me ask you this? does said kingdom of god from heaven only include that

per psalm 24

The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein

so then God allows what has happened but if you really look at this his creation has always been his so what has happened on the earth from day one was allowed but he never was made to cede the earth over to satan , he allowed satan to decieve men and had to use the last adam to redeem the earth but he give up his authority over his creation.

read job one in that he tells satan what he can and cant do. so then tell my why God would just abandon the earth.

 

[reba]

5 - Respect each others' opinions.

Address issues, not persons or personalities.

 

[jasoncran]

5 - Respect each others' opinions.

Address issues, not persons or personalities.

i got carried away, so therefore i apologize.

 

[reba]

Jason :angel3

 

[Lehigh3]

Paul meant that a spiritual body is the body of Christ- the church & its individual members.

And their REDEMPTION was to have drawn near at the end of the great tribulation.
Luke 21. Unlike those who would suffer wrath & see His power in clouds of heaven - the saints were to know that He appeared for a second time- not for sin (like the 1st time) but for their SALVATION ! (Heb.9:28)

Luke 21:20-28 NKJV,

The Destruction of Jerusalem


20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.The Coming of the Son of Man


25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.â€

Do you understand this yet?

 

[Stormcrow]

Do you understand this yet?

The futurist doctrine of Ribera is so deeply ingrained within Evangelicalism, that it's very difficult for people to grasp the implications of these verses.

Seminaries have been teaching students and turning out pastors and teachers based on Scofield for so long, that it's hard to turn this ship around.

I started questioning it because - when closely examined against the Word - it simply doesn't make any sense.

Ironically, the same thing that happened to seminaries in the 50s and 60s happened to secular colleges and universities, but while the seminaries were turning out "Scofield drones", the secular institutions were turning out Marxists - one of which is the president of these United States.

Anyone carefully reading Christ's words - in context - will understand what He was saying. Unfortunately, too many people today are satisfied just to know of the Bible what LaHaye and Jenkins present in books and movies.

It really is a shame. 2

 

[warfrog]

The futurist doctrine of Ribera is so deeply ingrained within Evangelicalism, that it's very difficult for people to grasp the implications of these verses.

Seminaries have been teaching students and turning out pastors and teachers based on Scofield for so long, that it's hard to turn this ship around.

I started questioning it because - when closely examined against the Word - it simply doesn't make any sense.

Ironically, the same thing that happened to seminaries in the 50s and 60s happened to secular colleges and universities, but while the seminaries were turning out "Scofield drones", the secular institutions were turning out Marxists - one of which is the president of these United States.

Anyone carefully reading Christ's words - in context - will understand what He was saying. Unfortunately, too many people today are satisfied just to know of the Bible what LaHaye and Jenkins present in books and movies.

It really is a shame. 2

I hate how you think you have the ability to discern everyones intention, where they are coming from, who are thier teachers and pile them all up inside your head to how you want to see them.

You know nothing of what you speak, yet you would defend your theoreticalness undoubtibley, no?

Who are you to pick apart people and place them where you please based on how you hate how the "medial christianity" displays prophecy?

Do you not know that He has workers out there in this very field and they very well are speaking to you and will speak to you but you've already shut your eyes and blocked your ears because you came to hate how men used the Word for self gain and the world recognized them? Jesus died for those men also, all of them sinners just like you and me. Any of those men can recieve grace in a twnkling of an eye, lets show it to them now as the Lord commands.

Now i havent spoken much recently, but have i ever spoken out againts your veiw or have i just discussed scripture with you in those few times, in which on a few of those occasions you've not responded back, but did i chase after you for it? or blame your theology or where or how you could have came up with how you were taught ext? No.
Your willing to do that againts others though? get off your throne.

If you must know, i wasnt taught by anyone or a pastor and i reject all of the exact same public books ext as you also described, I wont say im better than them and i wont reject everyones words like thier pheasents, if you really want people to listen to what your saying......show some love, ok?

We do not agree on our prophecy interpretations, but what we can agree on is no matter what, showing peace, joy and love in the Holy Spirit with each other is far more important and if we can be humble to one another before all else in the Lord Jesus Christ, an absolute clear understanding will be given to those He wills that grace to fall upon, a foot cannot be a hand, nor a hand a foot in the body of Christ, we all have our place through His grace and our faith given in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Were not perfect, we are in His eyes and have the promise through Him, as He died and rose so also shall all of His into His perfection, incorruptible, immortal.
Dont take this post the wrong way, i also have done as you have, im not better, but we can be through Him, if we stand with each other in love, if he cannot stand againts one called in His name, how then could he stand againts a body united?

 

[Sinthesis]

As for Ezekiel's Temple. It will also be a literal temple in Israel during the Millennium.

See? That wasn't hard now was it?

Do you know exactly where in Israel the temple will be during the millennium? People have made maps of the promised land based on Ezekiel's vision that might help with the answer.

 

[Stormcrow]

As for Ezekiel's Temple. It will also be a literal temple in Israel during the Millennium.

They could build 100 of them. The glory of God no longer rests in the temple of the Old Covenant. It rests in us through His Holy Spirit: WE are His temple!

God has sanctified those who believe in Christ as His temple. So what is the point of "THE ANTICHRIST" defiling that which is NOT sanctified by God???

No one has answered that fundamental question yet, and - believe it or not - IT'S ACTUALLY ON TOPIC!

 

[Hitch]

As for Ezekiel's Temple. It will also be a literal temple in Israel during the Millennium.

I dont think its possible for a christian to believe in any sort of return to bloody sacrifices.

 

[Stormcrow]

As for Ezekiel's Temple. It will also be a literal temple in Israel during the Millennium.

I dont think its possible for a christian to believe in any sort of return to bloody sacrifices.

Only those who believe Christ's sacrifice was insufficient to "save to the uttermost." 2

 

[Hitch]

As for Ezekiel's Temple. It will also be a literal temple in Israel during the Millennium.

Do you also expect a return to animal powered transportation or are you only pretending to be a literalist?


When are you planning to re-write Paul's comments wrt circumcision certainly you know the uncut cannot enter the temple?

 

[warfrog]

Only those who believe Christ's sacrifice was insufficient to "save to the uttermost." 2

Theres a difference between knowing Christ's sacrifice can save the uttermost and knowing that many will not be saved.

it's quite clear all who recieve the mark spoken of in revelation at some point in time had the option to accept the perfect Sacrifice, but they dont. It doesnt mean they couldnt, it means they wont, its a prophecy.
That doesnt mean Christ is nullified, it means people wont choose Him and we alread know that based on the Word and beleiving in the Word.

Right?

So why would the thousand years be veiwed differently from that regard? its clear for a thousand years nothing major takes place but at the end of it we are told all the people who are not Christ's are decieved at the release of Satan from his prison, it doesnt mean they couldnt accept Christ during the thousand years, it means they wont.

 

[jasoncran]

Do you also expect a return to animal powered transportation or are you only pretending to be a literalist?


When are you planning to re-write Paul's comments wrt circumcision certainly you know the uncut cannot enter the temple?

off topic when oil hit 200 bucks a barrel , i wouldnt be suprised what people will do and in europe its not uncommon to see a horse and buggy still on the road.
and that is why its so hard for americans in germany to get a license there. many fail on those type of questions.

off topic of course.

 

[jasoncran]

sigh, if obama is marxist then therefore gwb jr was tea partier capitalist and small govt spender. which he wasnt he spent big bucks on the military.

but kindly ignore that fact.i'm laughing for days over that obama remark. obama is left but the socialist party calls him a burgouise!

 

[Stormcrow]

sigh, if obama is marxist then therefore gwb jr was tea partier capitalist and small govt spender. which he wasnt he spent big bucks on the military.

but kindly ignore that fact.i'm laughing for days over that obama remark. obama is left but the socialist party calls him a burgouise!

Not the place for this. My example was to make a larger point. You want to make it the point. Not going to go there here.

'Nuff said.

 

[reba]

off topic of course.

:toofunny

 

[Sinthesis]

:toofunny

The Obamanation of desolation seems to be the secret desire of many fundamentalists.:bigfrown

 

[reba]

Just where is the passage that tells us to search for an antichrist?