No, Michael stood up, not a spirit.
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Angels in heaven both fallen or unfallen are not incorporeal spirits
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Angels eat and drink, spirits do not:
3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.
4 "Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
5 "And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant." They said, "Do as you have said."
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes."
7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it.
8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. (Gen. 18:3-8 NKJ)
Angels carry swords, spirits do not:
23 Now the donkey saw the Angel of the LORD standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, and the donkey turned aside out of the way and went into the field. So Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back onto the road. (Num. 22:23 NKJ)
Angels sit down under trees, spirits do not:
11 Now the Angel of the LORD came and sat under the terebinth tree which was in Ophrah, (Jdg. 6:11 NKJ)
We agree, evidently.
Evidently the angels were good looking physically, and the perverts at Sodom wanted to have sex with them.Why would the Lord use demonic spirits who attained corporeality on earth to destroy Sodom for it's sin
Gen 19:1
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Gen 19:2
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
Gen 19:13
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
They were good angels, not demons.
Why do you desire to move the angels from the spiritual to the physical body of pain and death ?
Consecrated Life
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So Michael can assume legs and a body both in Heaven & on earth ?
Scripture truth is better than Catholic fable.
Moreover, I believe the "strong delusion" God will send the earth, is permitting one last global test of the planet before the Millennial Kingdom. God will allow Satan and angels appear on earth as UFO aliens, and they will lead a global rebellion against everything worshiped, or called God.
And they will succeed in converting much of Christendom precisely because Christians have been taught fallen angels are spirits, and couldn't possibly be disguised as physical UFO aliens who can arrive in space ships.
I'm trying to warn them.
Seeing is not knowing the truth, if its the strong delusion you see.
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Don't you believe in Christ's resurrection? That Jesus in His resurrected flesh is now in heaven?
Of course Michael and his angels can have physical bodies in heaven, Jesus does.
Why didn't you answer these questions? Because you can't answer them:
Show me the scripture that says angels materialize disposable bodies to use on earth.
How do spirits harm spirits, show me the verse of scripture.
That's like wind hurting wind.
Both the Greek and Hebrew words for "spirit" are also translated "wind" "breath". Prove wind can hurt wind and you win the argument.
Show me where angels can create living bodies, make them alive.
Only God kills and makes alive:
`Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. (Deut. 32:39 NKJ)
Catholic fable about angels being spirits is a massive violation of Occam's Razor, unscriptural to the extreme.
The conclusion angels are physical being flows naturally, organically from the facts of scripture. Its the best explanation for "how angels can eat and drink while seated---they must have physical bodies":
2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground,
3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.
4 "Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
5 "And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant." They said, "Do as you have said."
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes."
7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it.
8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. (Gen. 18:2-8 NKJ)
Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. (Heb. 13:2 NKJ)
Enlightenedtruth
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My question is above ^^^^ .
You have no scripture to back up your probably . The reality is you don't know .
One more mention of Aliens or video about aliens and that is where the thread goes .
Leave my mother out of this.
Only a rapidly shrinking percentage believe as you:
Source tells Daily Mail 'TRUTH' about UFO meeting next week
Top spy watchdog Thomas Monheim, the US Intelligence Community's Inspector General, is slated to brief the House Oversight Committee on UFOs this coming week
You asked why I care about angels having physical bodies. I answered. The OP isn't about ufos at all and would be offense to me personally if you move it there. This is a legit theological subject.
What happened in Noah's day can't be truly understood without getting the nature of angels correct.
AND contradicts fables about heaven loved by Catholic laity. Angels with harps, floating around as spirits, from cloud to cloud. None of them explain how a spirit can play a harp, or even carry one. Perhaps you will give it a try.
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Aliens is what you said and you are the one that brought it up in post #27 .
I know this .
Well now that is easy to explain . Isn't God a Spirit ? Is there something you want to tell Him He can't do ?
Consecrated Life
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And Michael can come down to earth from heaven in his physical body as well ,right ?
No, God is not "a" Spirit, that is heresy. He is Spirit, uniquely:
"To whom then will you liken Me, Or to whom shall I be equal?" says the Holy One. (Isa. 40:25 NKJ)
All finite creation, the metaverse in which the realm of heaven and earth exists, consists in God.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Col. 1:17 NKJ)
When Christ said "God is Spirit" He was teaching all must worship in spirit and truth, not to liken Him to spirits, earthly or heavenly.
"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (Jn. 4:24 NKJ)
As for veering off topic, why don't you return to the theme of angels being physical, and your defense of Fourth Lateran Council's ruling they are not. Why should Christians believe them, or you against Scripture?
Enlightenedtruth
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I do apologize, I meant no offense.
Your OP and this debate is legitimate in itself; but so little was written about the true nature of the Angel's in the Scriptures. I may have already said this (or in another thread); if God had revealed the entire truth from the beginning, the Story of Man would have been pointless. God has never lied to any of us; but He had a very good reason for not telling us everything up front in these "mortal life's".
Trust in Him; hold your Faith. Final Judgement Day for some of us has not arrived yet; and the people will be given more of the truth when this is done.
The Scripture reveals a lot about angels, but it must be deduced just as many doctrines are also inferred from Scripture.
To me the scriptures are like a picture puzzle, each bit of information is a uniquely shaped piece. If one assembles the puzzle correctly, the true picture will be seen.
If the pieces are forced to fit together, the picture will be incorrect.
Show me the physical angel that bleeds or dies in the scripture . An angel is a spirit empowered by God . A messenger of God .
Of course. Michael isn't God, he cannot create living things like a body to inhabit, then discard at will.
Michael is a creature like us. God alone has the creative power to make living things:
`Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. (Deut. 32:39 NKJ)
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