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Ask any questions about The Great Tribulation in this thread and you will recieve true information about it from me.

How long after the rapture will the tribulation begin
First there is no scripture that speaks about a Rapture of the church before any seven year tribulation begins as this comes against scripture, Matthew 24:29-31; 24:36-39; 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21. There are more, but these are enough to show there is no pretrib Rapture of the Church being the body of Christ with He being the head of the body.

No where in scripture does it mention a seven year tribulation that many try to teach, but only seven trumpets of God's fierce wrath as scripture says we will always have tribulations as the last time will be such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, Matthew 24:21; Deut 4:30-31; 7:19; 29:1-6; 1 Samuel 26:24; Matthew; John 16:33; Romans 12:12; 24:21; James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6.
 
Moses was not buried because unlike Abraham, who was a patriarch, he was a prophet and major leader in the dispensations of God. As leader and dispenser of the Law he would've been given too much attention. Some would've worshiped him.

So he basically disappears from history, just as Enoch and Elijah did, both prophetic figures, as well. They were only the voice of God, and not God Himself. They didn't need a landmark to mark them as "God's voice."
I don't want to derail this thread, but I have to give this at this time.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Does not say Enoch was taken up to heaven, but that he was only translated that he should not see death at that particular time being he was 365 years old. Should not see death means since Enoch walked with God he would not see the second death, Rev 20:6, but only that of the first death, Hebrews 9:27, as all his days were three hundred and sixty as he died, but no one knows where.

Genesis 49: 30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a burying place. 31There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 and he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulcher unto this day.

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (Heaven here means atmosphere, first heaven)

Elijah, having ascended into the air by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. Several years after he was taken away King Jehoram received a letter from him. How long after? There are some difficulties in figuring the exact chronology as it varies from 2 to 10 years or more. A note in Josephus (a Jewish historian of the first century A.D.) says 4 years, while the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA figures it at 7 years.

Regardless of the exact number of years there came writing to Jehoram from Elijah the prophet, saying..." (2Chron 21:12). Now the wickedness of Jehoram, for which he was being rebuked in the letter, took place after Elijah was taken away, yet the letter speaks of these things as past events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet future. So the idea of some, that Elijah wrote the letter before he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong.

Elijah was taken up by the whirlwind into the first heaven and transported to another location on Earth. God did not see fit in His purpose to reveal his whereabouts. Chariot of fire is used at times figuratively for host (angels) like in 2 Kings 2:11, 12: 6:17; Psalms 68:17; 104:1-4. Elijah, by his prayers and his counsel was the "chariot of Israel and the horseman thereof", meaning Elijah was the stronghold of Israel, the driving force of God. The Israelites never used chariots till the time of David.

There is more to this, but it needs to be another thread.
 
In what way does getting ahold of Moses rotting corpse help Satan in that effort ?
I do not get the connection you are making?
Are you saying Satan wanted to rattle a bag of Moses's bones in the face of people ?
Satan considers it his job to disqualify people for Eternal Life. To disqualify Moses, who dispensed the Law, is to disqualify all of Israel, and by extension, all of humanity.

The question was concerned with the nature of this squabble. I'm not concerned about how it is characterized, as a "bag of bones," or as a "rotting corpse." This is just speculation--nothing more.
 
Satan considers it his job to disqualify people for Eternal Life. To disqualify Moses, who dispensed the Law, is to disqualify all of Israel, and by extension, all of humanity.

The question was concerned with the nature of this squabble. I'm not concerned about how it is characterized, as a "bag of bones," or as a "rotting corpse." This is just speculation--nothing more.
How would Satan make a claim to disqualify Moses from eternal life by having his dead body .
Moses was already with God the moment he died,
The Jews knew that.
There must be another reason Satan wanted the body of Moses.
 
How would Satan make a claim to disqualify Moses from eternal life by having his dead body .
Moses was already with God the moment he died,
The Jews knew that.
There must be another reason Satan wanted the body of Moses.
I don't know. My thought was that the corpse of Moses was a reminder that he had been judged for his sin. Don't ask me if Satan keeps mementos. ;)
 
What is the deal with Michael & Satan locking horns over the corpse of Moses ?
And why did this dispute end with God burying the body of Moses Himself ?
For me this is one of the strangest incidents in scripture that undoubtedly has some meaning for the future but the is not another word spoken about the purpose of it .
For me it must have something to do with God coming full circle with the nation Israel .
Apparently Satan has some insight into what the future holds for the appearance of Moses .
Very curious to me that Satan could have knowledge of such specific detail, coming from the mind of God .

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Greetings in Christ JESUS

Analyzing deeply Jude 1:9, not by the letter, the letter kills, but by the Spirit, the Spirit gives life.
Anallyzing the verse by partes:

First I would like to ask : Do you believe are many allegories in Scriptures? For example: Galatians 4:24-25.

Then, what does this part of the verse mean? -> "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the Devil he disputed about the body of Moses..."

It is not always easy to interpret the riddles of the Bible, or biblical enigmas, but interpreting them is very wonderful.

Then, in my view, I would say that what Jude refers in his epistle is not the body of flesh and bone of Moses, in fact he was referring to the people of Israel as the body of Moses, such as the Church is the body of JESUS. By the way, Michael was with Moses since the day the people of Israel got out of the Egypt, and he fought and disputed with the Devil the body of Moses, I mean Israel, until the day Moses died. - -> And now, even now, in this current time, Michael will dispute and fight against the Devil about the body of JESUS, the Church of the Lord- Revelation 12, take a look.


Another point of the verse hard to understand:


... "durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee".

What I go to write is a clue, I think you perhaps can make it better than I in to deceipher this deep enigma.

Here goes: ->
Why did Michael use not his Sword against the Devil, and only said to him: The Lord rebuke thee ? This is very hard to interpret and understand, it because as Paul Apostle explained,

""GOD hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and GOD hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"1Corinthians 1:27-28. Furthermore, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him. But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD""1Corinthians 2:9-10.

That said, then hear goes the answer: -> The Devil, the MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former Cherub, ruler of Eden, the tree of good and evil, the fig tree, he is a Jewish man(John 8:44 combined with John 17:12), but the archangel Michael is not a Jewish man, but something like Melchisedec-Hebrews 7:1-4, take a look, without genealogy. How could Michael being not a Jewish man to rebuke the Devil, a Jewish man, the son of perdition? -John 8:44 an John 17:12. It's it, but I think you perhaps can make it better than I in to deceipher these deep enigmas.

GOD BLESS
 
Greetings in Christ JESUS

Analyzing deeply Jude 1:9, not by the letter, the letter kills, but by the Spirit, the Spirit gives life.
Anallyzing the verse by partes:

First I would like to ask : Do you believe are many allegories in Scriptures? For example: Galatians 4:24-25.

Then, what does this part of the verse mean? -> "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the Devil he disputed about the body of Moses..."

It is not always easy to interpret the riddles of the Bible, or biblical enigmas, but interpreting them is very wonderful.

Then, in my view, I would say that what Jude refers in his epistle is not the body of flesh and bone of Moses, in fact he was referring to the people of Israel as the body of Moses, such as the Church is the body of JESUS. By the way, Michael was with Moses since the day the people of Israel got out of the Egypt, and he fought and disputed with the Devil the body of Moses, I mean Israel, until the day Moses died. - -> And now, even now, in this current time, Michael will dispute and fight against the Devil about the body of JESUS, the Church of the Lord- Revelation 12, take a look.


Another point of the verse hard to understand:


... "durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee".

What I go to write is a clue, I think you perhaps can make it better than I in to deceipher this deep enigma.

Here goes: ->
Why did Michael use not his Sword against the Devil, and only said to him: The Lord rebuke thee ? This is very hard to interpret and understand, it because as Paul Apostle explained,

""GOD hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and GOD hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"1Corinthians 1:27-28. Furthermore, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him. But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD""1Corinthians 2:9-10.

That said, then hear goes the answer: -> The Devil, the MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former Cherub, ruler of Eden, the tree of good and evil, the fig tree, he is a Jewish man(John 8:44 combined with John 17:12), but the archangel Michael is not a Jewish man, but something like Melchisedec-Hebrews 7:1-4, take a look, without genealogy. How could Michael being not a Jewish man to rebuke the Devil, a Jewish man, the son of perdition? -John 8:44 an John 17:12. It's it, but I think you perhaps can make it better than I in to deceipher these deep enigmas.

GOD BLESS
For me there is actual physical history to support this incident concerning the body of Moses .
Next to Abraham who can be considered the greatest of the patriarchs other than Moses.
Yet the burial site of all other Jewish patriarchs is well known to this day.

Hebron: Tomb of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs (Ma’arat HaMachpelah)​

The fact that there is no known burial site of Moses who in my opinion even rivals Abraham in terms of importance to the establishment of Israel lends full support to the incident being based in fact just the way it is written .
Lending even more validity to the incident in my opinion is the fact that we have a ancient location for the burial site of Arron the brother of the leader Moses , but nothing for Moses?

Tomb of Aaron (Jordan)

The incident with Michale taken as fact gives clear answer to the mystery of why no site for the Jews greatest leader ?
For me the question still stands as to the , WHY?
 
For me there is actual physical history to support this incident concerning the body of Moses .
Next to Abraham who can be considered the greatest of the patriarchs other than Moses.
Yet the burial site of all other Jewish patriarchs is well known to this day.

Hebron: Tomb of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs (Ma’arat HaMachpelah)​

The fact that there is no known burial site of Moses who in my opinion even rivals Abraham in terms of importance to the establishment of Israel lends full support to the incident being based in fact just the way it is written .
Lending even more validity to the incident in my opinion is the fact that we have a ancient location for the burial site of Arron the brother of the leader Moses , but nothing for Moses?

Tomb of Aaron (Jordan)

The incident with Michale taken as fact gives clear answer to the mystery of why no site for the Jews greatest leader ?
For me the question still stands as to the , WHY?
Deuteronomy 34:6 says: And He buried him in the valley, in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Pe'or. And no person knows the place of his burial, unto this day.

Lucas 9:29-31
29 And as JESUS prayed, the fashion of His countenance was altered, and His raiment was white and glistering.

30 And, behold, there talked with Him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

31 Who appeared in glory
, and spake of His decease which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

The Scriptures above may give a clue to the WHY.
 
Deuteronomy 34:6 says: And He buried him in the valley, in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Pe'or. And no person knows the place of his burial, unto this day.

Lucas 9:29-31
29 And as JESUS prayed, the fashion of His countenance was altered, and His raiment was white and glistering.

30 And, behold, there talked with Him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

31 Who appeared in glory
, and spake of His decease which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

The Scriptures above may give a clue to the WHY.
They will return in the flesh as the two witnesses, so unto die only once of the flesh, when they are killed by the beast on that day. They were translated and walk among us, hidden until it is time.
 
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