Being "Saved," "Born Again," "Confessing Jesus" Does Not Guarantee Heaven.

[JoReba]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

Try to remember that although nothing and nobody can seperate us from the Love of Christ, we can each seperate ourselves by not "Enduring to the end."

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So who goes to heaven, you and who else?

 

[farouk]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

False, sorry.

To say that the blood of Christ is insufficient to save, is seriously wrong.

(What can happen is for people to make false professions that they have supposedly been cleansed by His blood.)

The promise at the end of Romans 8.38-39 is all because of the effectiveness of His Work at the Cross and His faithfulness. It's not because of whether our efforts are supposedly 'enough'. Ephesians 2.9

 

[Guest]

Oh Lord, here we go again, lol.

 

[JoReba]

So who goes to heaven, you and who else?

Have you ever read Matthew Ch. 7? Lol.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Have you ever read Matthew Ch. 7? Lol.

Matthew Ch. 7.

Is that the Old Testament or the New Testament?

I sort of thought what you said came from the book of 2nd Opinions.

 

[JoReba]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

False, sorry.

To say that the blood of Christ is insufficient to save, is seriously wrong.

(What can happen is for people to make false professions that they have supposedly been cleansed by His blood.)

The promise at the end of Romans 8.38-39 is all because of the effectiveness of His Work at the Cross and His faithfulness. It's not because of whether our efforts are supposedly 'enough'. Ephesians 2.9

There is no Biblically accurate need to express being "sorry" for your apparent inability to accurately understand what this Thread is about. As well, neither Jesus nor The Apostles ever said, "Sorry." Lol.

Being cleansed and forgiven does not preclude becoming willfully dirty and sinful again.

 

[JoReba]

Have you ever read Matthew Ch. 7? Lol.

Matthew Ch. 7.

Is that the Old Testament or the New Testament?

I sort of thought what you said came from the book of 2nd Opinions.

Yes, I do agree you apparently can only comprehend what you "sort of think people say." Lol.

 

[farouk]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

False, sorry.

To say that the blood of Christ is insufficient to save, is seriously wrong.

(What can happen is for people to make false professions that they have supposedly been cleansed by His blood.)

The promise at the end of Romans 8.38-39 is all because of the effectiveness of His Work at the Cross and His faithfulness. It's not because of whether our efforts are supposedly 'enough'. Ephesians 2.9

There is no Biblically accurate need to express being "sorry" for your apparent inability to accurately understand what this Thread is about. As well, neither Jesus nor The Apostles ever said, "Sorry." Lol.

Being cleansed and forgiven does not preclude becoming willfully dirty and sinful again.

I'll by God's grace concentrate on Scripture's promises to the believer in the Lord Jesus.

It seems that you're teaching that the precious blood of Christ (1 Peter 1.19) is insufficient to cleanse, and that He Himself cannot preserve. This seemingly being the case, we are apparently in doctrinal disagreement.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Yes, I do agree you apparently can only comprehend what you "sort of think people say." Lol.

Now it becomes your duty to clarify yourself.
You made a bold statement.

 

[reba]

Do I need a note from your mothers that says you have read the Terms of Service for this site? Moderator

http://www.christianforums.net/announcement.php?f=64&a=6 take a minute or 2 please pay attention to this part twice:
2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself. Not necessarily directed at the last poster.


Not necessarily directed to the last poster..........

 

[evenifigoalone]

This seems to be a popular topic lately. I can think of at least five threads within the past few weeks, I think, if not more.

I won't delve into it, because I'm not equipped for proper debate. (Although this is the section for debate.) But I will say that I do think that if someone consciously stops believing in Jesus, then it's possible that that could be grounds for losing salvation. That's the only case I'd think that's possible, though.

 

[Sparkey]

Just a general admonishment to those who may be new to posting on forums all together.

What happens when a new member joins? Well, frankly, people make up their minds about them. This might not be the way that it's supposed to be but it is the way it goes. I would think that those who post on a public forum would keep this firm fact in mind and would seek to establish themselves before setting about to alienate others?

Again, this commercial admonishment brought no extra charge with the standard disclaimer that means, "Don't take it personal."

Cordially,
~Sparrow

 

[gr8grace]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

Try to remember that although nothing and nobody can seperate us from the Love of Christ, we can each seperate ourselves by not "Enduring to the end."

Yet another attack on the Grace,integrity,character and nature of our lord and Savior.

We are in the Last days that is why we hear so much non-Christian talk on a Christian forum.

Matt 7:6 fits this thread well.

6"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

A spiritually discerning person is not suppose to cast their pearls(True Doctrine) and Holy things(meat of the word) to the dogs and swine. The Dogs and swine are legalistic, self righteous unbelievers and BELIEVERS.

Sound doctrine will get attacked and lied about with these immature christians and unbelievers. So one needs to stick to the elementary principles of the word.(Grace and Faith)

Acts 16:31, John 3:16, John 3:18 Are verses for the individual immature Christian to KNOW and BELIEVE. then one goes on to the meat of the word.

I would suggest that one studies the above three verses and BELIEVE them.

Pearls and holy things still get brought out in this venue though, some like to see that faith alone in Christ alone is the only way to our salvation and we are eternally secure. But these are elementary Principles to Gods word.

I am A sinner and Christ saved me when I believed in Him for salvation. That Gate is narrow isn't it? And very hard for the majority of people.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Not necessarily directed to the last poster..........

Oh?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

But I will say that I do think that if someone consciously stops believing in Jesus, then it's possible that that could be grounds for losing salvation. That's the only case I'd think that's possible, though.

Have you ever met anyone who has done that?

 

[evenifigoalone]

But I will say that I do think that if someone consciously stops believing in Jesus, then it's possible that that could be grounds for losing salvation. That's the only case I'd think that's possible, though.

Have you ever met anyone who has done that?

I can think of a couple, I think. I actually know someone from another forum who used to be a Christian, and I knew them during this time. They seemed legit enough, although they did think it was fine to do or say things that other Christians avoid as taboo, such as using profanity. But they still seemed sincere. I've come into contact with them again in recent months, and they are agnostic now.

 

[farouk]

But I will say that I do think that if someone consciously stops believing in Jesus, then it's possible that that could be grounds for losing salvation. That's the only case I'd think that's possible, though.

Have you ever met anyone who has done that?

I can think of a couple, I think. I actually know someone from another forum who used to be a Christian, and I knew them during this time. They seemed legit enough, although they did think it was fine to do or say things that other Christians avoid as taboo, such as using profanity. But they still seemed sincere. I've come into contact with them again in recent months, and they are agnostic now.

questdriven:

I do think that if we read John 3, and 1 Peter 1 about the new birth, this new life isn't something that goes away again. It all depends on Him and not us. John 10.28 and John 10.29 are very encouraging and clear.

Admittedly there may be those who have professed falsely. This is in a different category.

Blessings.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

But I will say that I do think that if someone consciously stops believing in Jesus, then it's possible that that could be grounds for losing salvation. That's the only case I'd think that's possible, though.

Have you ever met anyone who has done that?

I can think of a couple, I think. I actually know someone from another forum who used to be a Christian, and I knew them during this time. They seemed legit enough, although they did think it was fine to do or say things that other Christians avoid as taboo, such as using profanity. But they still seemed sincere. I've come into contact with them again in recent months, and they are agnostic now.

I think the meaning in James 2 that's been debated here recently is the faith that says a person has an intellectual and worldly popular belief and not the real deal.

This is why I believe we can never really know, only God knows a persons' heart.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Well, yes, only God knows.