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CAN A REFORMED BELIEVER FALL AWAY FROM FAITH?

jerry63935 said:
there is a lot of theology i dont understand and will not agree with
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Yes. I'd say that we should understand the theology IF we are to accept it.
We should not let any other man convince us of something with words, but study on our own and come to an understanding that we can live with. As long as it's within mainline Christianity - I do hear some weird ideas at times.
 
Randy said:
I don't believe God sets a specific time. I also don't pretend to know all the thoughts and plans that take place in the mind of God.

However in this case it seemed God waited for a opportune time. Its clear to me God chose her to know Christ Jesus. I also note she was already one who worshipped God.
One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
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If she was already a worshiper of God, to what message of Paul's did God open her heart?
 
Hopeful said:
I suppose I should have said "The doctrine of the reformed makes it God's fault so many will not be saved."
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[Rom 5:18-19 KJV]
18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 
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wondering said:
The elect are chosen by God...correct.
But based on whether or not the WANT to be a part of God's family.
God knew who would want to be with Him...
and chose them.
But we also choose...
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...God of our own freewill and become a member of the family of God with the Saints, wearing a crown of gold.
Thank, you Lord.

All are welcome sins forgiven free. That is something to look forward to and it is all thanks to Jesus, by whom all may enter in. He is the way, the truth and the life.
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rogerg said:
[Rom 5:18-19 KJV]
18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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I think you agree with me, but without your own editorial I am not sure.
God is not choosing who is to reject Him.
 
Hopeful said:
I think you agree with me, but without your own editorial I am not sure.
God is not choosing who is to reject Him.
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I do not think that God had chosen who would reject Him - that rejection occurred due to the actions of Adam, Eve, and Satan, and as those verses inform us, all reject Him unto condemnation; that is, everyone who is born, is born rejecting Him and His gospel. But, while He doesn't choose who rejects Him (which rejection was the result of Adam et al), He did choose whom He would save, which, as the Saviour, it is His divine prerogative to do. That anyone becomes saved, is above and beyond what mankind deserves and comes solely by His divine mercy and graciousness through Christ.

[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
 
wondering said:
Yes. I'd say that we should understand the theology IF we are to accept it.
We should not let any other man convince us of something with words, but study on our own and come to an understanding that we can live with. As long as it's within mainline Christianity - I do hear some weird ideas at times.
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apostolic can be another one oneness doctrine
 
wondering said:
It seems that most persons find God when they're at the bottom of the barrel.
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And it's God who causes them to be at the bottom of the barrel where he will then present the gospel to them.

Romans 8:20-21
20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
 
wondering said:
If she was already a worshiper of God, to what message of Paul's did God open her heart?
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I assume she was a Jew. Paul was preaching about Christ Jesus which is something new to her just as in serving/worshipping God in the new way of the Spirit as opposed to the old way of the written code.

God opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. And she became a believer.

When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. “If you consider me a believer in the Lord,” she said, “come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us.
 
rogerg said:
I do not think that God had chosen who would reject Him - that rejection occurred due to the actions of Adam, Eve, and Satan, and as those verses inform us, all reject Him unto condemnation; that is, everyone who is born, is born rejecting Him and His gospel. But, while He doesn't choose who rejects Him (which rejection was the result of Adam et al), He did choose whom He would save, which, as the Saviour, it is His divine prerogative to do. That anyone becomes saved, is above and beyond what mankind deserves and comes solely by His divine mercy and graciousness through Christ.

[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Your words are at odds with one another.
If He is choosing who will be saved, He is also choosing who is not to be saved.
Grace is indeed a gift from God, as is repentance from sin and the Holy Ghost; but they are available to all who will submit to God.
Does God force submission?
Or deny it?
 
wondering said:
But what is the message if someone is already worshiping God?
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Pre-Jesus worshippers of God would learn of...
The death of Christ to pay for our past sins.
His resurrection from the dead because He lived without sinning.
The death of our old man and rebirth from the seed of God.
The promise of eternal life.
More too.
 
wondering said:
But what is the message if someone is already worshiping God?
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They were looking for the coming of the Mighty King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and they were disappointed when he was born in a stable to a carpenter's son despite the heavenly chorus. They believed in an earthly kingdom and are ready and waiting for the opportunity to take over the world, Russia is not on its own in this, but all to no avail, for man is mortal and Jesus is eternal. But the short sighted can only see as far as tomorrow. Meanwhile, the whole world suffers, but in the meantime, Jesus bids us come to him.
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jasonc said:
New apostolic revival .Paula white holds this doctrine these teach the office of the apostles is still active ,and also are post mil and believe in Dominionism .women can be apostles and also are hyper charismatic .
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along with oneness no trinity all baptism jesus name only
 
Hopeful said:
Your words are at odds with one another.
If He is choosing who will be saved, He is also choosing who is not to be saved.
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Well, for example, if someone had something taken away by someone, and someone else replaces it,
was the one who replaced it responsible for it being taken away just because he replaced it?

Hopeful said:
Grace is indeed a gift from God, as is repentance from sin and the Holy Ghost; but they are available to all who will submit to God.
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That's not how I read those verses. As far as I can tell, they in no way permit any contribution from those who receive salvation - just the opposite in fact- that God does it all because He is a merciful and gracious God unto those
who do not deserve it: "not of yourselves", and "according to his mercy he saved us" - does not leave any room
for anyone doing anything in achieving it besides God.

Hopeful said:
Grace is indeed a gift from God, as is repentance from sin and the Holy Ghost; but they are available to all who will submit to God.
Does God force submission?
Or deny it?
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If grace is dependent upon the submitting of themselves to God, or for that matter of having to do anything for it, then it can't be grace. Those are mutually exclusive to each other: grace stands alone and is fully complete within itself -
where it exists, nothing else can.

Should the healing of someone by God from enslavement, blindness and spiritual death be considered as the forcing of submission? In fact, I would say just the opposite is true- that those healed, finally, for the first time in their lives, have become alive and are able to see clearly or would it be better to be left blind? For example, let's say someone is bitten by a venomous snake and they become completely comatose, oblivious, near unto death, and unable to help themselves. Should someone happen by with anti-venom, administers it, and brings the person back to life and to complete health, by that, did he do something good or bad? Should he have not done so and without which he would have died? Should the doing of it be considered as the forcing of life upon someone?
Was it unfair for the man to lift the sheep out of the pit?

[Mat 12:10-12 KJV]
10 And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
 
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