Jethro Bodine
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CAN A REFORMED BELIEVER FALL AWAY FROM FAITH?
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Wrong, as the words are we know eternal life when we know Jesus Christ is eternal life.
1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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Gordon,
Are you reformed or not?
Above you state that God created good and evil so that we can have two choices.
Choices?
In the reformed faith we have no choice at all about anything.
God does all the choosing for us, including who's saved and who is damned.
Plus, I just don't see where in scripture it states that God created evil...
Isaiah 45:7 tells us that if God withdraws Himself from a situation, chaos will ensue, which it certainly does.
Is the God of the OT different than the God of the NT?
No?
Then there is some conflict here which must be reconciled.
Many atheists love their brothers.
Some more than we might.
So does it mean they're saved?
Do you show your action is right now, to avoid debate, dispute, strife, or to engage in it instead...
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Jethro Bodine
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GodsGrace
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No, there is just your active discussion on forums, without you showing you know that Jesus Christ created all things.
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Jethro Bodine
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I asked a question. Are you going to answer it?
GodsGrace
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Looks like you're calling evil good.
If God made evil...
And God is all-good,
Then you're calling God evil.
When the bible states He is all-good.
This is the big problem with the reformed faith,
it changes the nature of God.
This is MORE than just incorrect doctrine...
God controls what satan can do with regards to who God has His eyes on.
Satan did produce what he was allowed to influence on Job, and even Job received evil, as well as good through it. ( at the hand of God)
Job 1:12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
God made everything, just read and recap how it all works..
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Ecclesiastes 3: 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
GodsGrace
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What!
Every Christian knows Christ is the Word, and through the Word were all things created.
Even JW's know that!
You must be using the KJV....500 years old.
Job 2:10
The rendition should be that we accept good from God and we also have to accept adversity. Does it state where that adversity comes from?
It seems to me that the devil caused it.
The idea being that if we believe, it does not mean we will always have health and prosper - yes, we will even face the death of loved ones.
In the same way, if we do not believe it does not mean that a persons entire life will be havoc.
Some of each falls on everyone - it's how we accept it that counts and for which our faith matters.
Right.
So how does God create the evil if He's pitiful and tender of mercy?
Don't you see the conflict?
Proverbs 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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GodsGrace
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It's how you understand God to be.
If you think God created evil, then you'll read that into everything, including books that were written to teach us something and are poetic in nature. This does not mean they were not inspired...
If you believe God is a good God, then you'll perceive all scripture with this in mind.
I think a person has to make up their mind what kind of nature God has (or IS)...
Did God create us as a pass time and heap all these evils on us and STILL expect us to worship Him...
Or did God create creatures He could love and that could love Him back - if they want to.
Jethro Bodine
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Christian forums are dead. Sad, but true. 
GodsGrace
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A child suffering from cancer brings no good.
If we worship a God that has to inflict cancer on a child to bring good...
then I'll stop worshipping Him right now.
GodsGrace
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It's the only time I get to speak theology.Christian forums are dead. Sad, but true.
Look where I live.
Catholics are good people - but they know nothing of theology.
And it's like food to me.
GodsGrace
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