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Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?

I don't read of further sin by David, later in scripture...(though I am not overly familiar with the OT)

With Uriah dead, adultery is no longer chargeable...(if you want to get Pharasitical).
So if you don't want to pay the lawful penalty for Adultery , just murder the spouse ?
No spouse , no adultery
Really ?
Are you sure that is the way this works ?
I had no idea.
In light of such fast and loose rules where murder and adultery are concerned are you sure the guy caught gathering sticks on the sabbath is now in the Lake of Fire ?
Num 15:33
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

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Num 15:34
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
 
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What a silly discussion also about not being plucked out of Gods hands.

God does not want anyone unworthy around Him, because they are not only guilty to hurting another person, they are also guilty of the body and blood of Christ. ( being exalted, is also hurting others, as it is an antichrist example of Christ in them.)

Drinking damnation to ourselves, is not just done by disregarding the Holiness of Christ, it is also by disregarding the words He gave, to follow.




1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.





Here is the list for the chatters, of being WORTHY. ( will the talkers be seen to notice the list of scriptures, or totally disregard them.)



Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 22: 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Luke 14:17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

Luke 14:24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With ALL LOWLINESS, AND MEEKNESS, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Colossians 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God.

1 Thessalonians 2:10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, HOW HOLILY AND JUSTLY AND UNBLAMABLY WE BEHAVED OURSELVES among you that believe:
11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer.

2 Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
 
Will you guy always be the most ridiculous to talk about Christ all these years, and daily be in strife in His name ?


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
 
I wonder what kind of gap there was between David's sin and the writing of Psalm 51.
I don't know. Psa.32 might also. be connected to to Davids' secret sins.
Good thing Nathan brought David good news along with the bad news..."And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die." (2 Sam 12:13)
It is good news. I believe God will forgive anyone who is truly sorry for his or her sins free of charge. We're commanded to forgive that way, because that's how our Father is. That what Gods' Son did.
 
What this thread amounts to is a promotion of a works-salvation "Gospel."
Believing that one can lose their salvation does not make the gospel a works gospel, if that's what you are driving at.

Even Calvinism teaches that the person who falls away back into sin is an unbeliever, the unbelief being the reason why they are not saved.
 
I think the moment one rests the maintenance of their saved status upon their ability to avoid sin, they have taken up a works-salvation perspective. It sounds on the surface like righteous piety to say that a sin-free life is necessary to being saved, but in reality I think it's just Self intruding upon a work of God, trying to share the limelight with Christ the one and only Savior. (Romans 3:22-28; 1 Corinthians 1:29-31)

Works don't contribute to our salvation; we didn't earn salvation by dint of our being able to avoid sin (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5). It's simply by faith in the fully accomplished saving work of Christ that anyone is saved (John 3:16; 36; Acts 4:12; Romans 10:9-10, etc.). Those who have trusted in Christ as Savior and Lord are entirely and permanently "accepted in the Beloved" by God (Ephesians 1:6), reconciled to Him by the perfect atoning work of Christ on the cross. Of course, some pretend to salvation, or mistake what the Gospel is, and in due time depart the faith, not being genuinely born-again. But there are a number of NT examples of those clearly described as "brethren" in the faith, "in Christ," and "temples of God," and so on, who were guilty of willful sin. (1 Corinthians 3,5, 6, 11; Galatians 3:1-3; Romans 6:1-2)

Not all on this thread are advocating for a works-salvation doctrine, thankfully. I'm glad to see pushback on what seems to be a very popular false teaching among some on this website.
 
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Again, Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. Backsliders are no longer following Jesus. One can't serve sin and Jesus too.

Ezekiel 18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[25] Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
So your idea of salvation is outward acts of 'following' Jesus?
Did Jesus die on the cross at Calvary just for outward acts of 'following' Him?
I mean, if that's what you think and believe then such a belief doesn't reconcile with the biblical doctrine of imputation as found here:
You do know what the biblical doctrine of imputation is, yes?

For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

The words in brackets are not in the Greek and were added by the KJV translators for syntax purposes to make the statement understandable in English. In other words the doctrine of imputation teaches a 'nature-swap.' He took our sinful nature and we take His righteous nature. That's what was accomplished at Calvary. You see, Jesus didn't die for our sinful acts, and we didn't take His righteous acts. He actually died for our sinful nature, and we took His righteous nature. Because of our sinful nature God had to do something about our sinful nature, not just send Jesus to die for our sinful acts. If that was the case then no one would get into heaven because unless God did something about our sinful nature we couldn't get into heaven. Imagine us, all our sinful acts atoned but we still have a sinful nature. It wouldn't work. So, methinks you need to rethink your theology to reflect correctly what and why Jesus died for. In other words, When Jesus died on the cross that day, He ACTUALLY saved someone. And the Scripture also says that what God began on the day of someone becoming born-again He completes it until the day of Christ. He is the Author and finisher of our faith. You do know these Scriptures, right?
 
So if you don't want to pay the lawful penalty for Adultery , just murder the spouse ?
No spouse , no adultery
Really?
Not up to me.
See 2 Sam 12:13 again.
Are you sure that is the way this works ?
Not usually.
I had no idea.
In light of such fast and loose rules where murder and adultery are concerned are you sure the guy caught gathering sticks on the sabbath is now in the Lake of Fire ?
Num 15:33
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

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Num 15:34
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Nobody is in the lake of fire until the last day's judgement.
 
I don't know. Psa.32 might also. be connected to to Davids' secret sins.
I pity those folks who had to walk in the flesh instead of the Spirit.
Thanks be to God for allowing the repentant and washed of sin to walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
It is good news. I believe God will forgive anyone who is truly sorry for his or her sins free of charge. We're commanded to forgive that way, because that's how our Father is. That what Gods' Son did.
I don't know about the "free of charge" part of that.
Conversion can be very costly.
 
I think the moment one rests the maintenance of their saved status upon their ability to avoid sin, they have taken up a works-salvation perspective. It sounds on the surface like righteous piety to say that a sin-free life is necessary to being saved, but in reality I think it's just Self intruding upon a work of God, trying to share the limelight with Christ the one and only Savior. (Romans 3:22-28; 1 Corinthians 1:29-31)

Works don't contribute to our salvation; we didn't earn salvation by dint of our being able to avoid sin (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5). It's simply by faith in the fully accomplished saving work of Christ that anyone is saved (John 3:16; 36; Acts 4:12; Romans 10:9-10, etc.). Those who have trusted in Christ as Savior and Lord are entirely and permanently "accepted in the Beloved" by God (Ephesians 1:6), reconciled to Him by the perfect atoning work of Christ on the cross. Of course, some pretend to salvation, or mistake what the Gospel is, and in due time depart the faith, not being genuinely born-again. But there are a number of NT examples of those clearly described as "brethren" in the faith, "in Christ," and "temples of God," and so on, who were guilty of willful sin. (1 Corinthians 3,5, 6, 11; Galatians 3:1-3; Romans 6:1-2)

Not all on this thread are advocating for a works-salvation doctrine, thankfully. I'm glad to see pushback on what seems to be a very popular false teaching among some on this website.
That sort of outlook actually makes telling the truth and being monogamous a bad thing.
I will tell the truth and remain monogamous in order to be saved on the last day.
 
So your idea of salvation is outward acts of 'following' Jesus?
Did Jesus die on the cross at Calvary just for outward acts of 'following' Him?
I mean, if that's what you think and believe then such a belief doesn't reconcile with the biblical doctrine of imputation as found here:
You do know what the biblical doctrine of imputation is, yes?

For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

The words in brackets are not in the Greek and were added by the KJV translators for syntax purposes to make the statement understandable in English. In other words the doctrine of imputation teaches a 'nature-swap.' He took our sinful nature and we take His righteous nature. That's what was accomplished at Calvary. You see, Jesus didn't die for our sinful acts, and we didn't take His righteous acts. He actually died for our sinful nature, and we took His righteous nature. Because of our sinful nature God had to do something about our sinful nature, not just send Jesus to die for our sinful acts. If that was the case then no one would get into heaven because unless God did something about our sinful nature we couldn't get into heaven. Imagine us, all our sinful acts atoned but we still have a sinful nature. It wouldn't work. So, methinks you need to rethink your theology to reflect correctly what and why Jesus died for. In other words, When Jesus died on the cross that day, He ACTUALLY saved someone. And the Scripture also says that what God began on the day of someone becoming born-again He completes it until the day of Christ. He is the Author and finisher of our faith. You do know these Scriptures, right?
I'm sure glad He took my sinful nature and gave me His righteous nature...so I can live without sinning.
 
Not up to me.
See 2 Sam 12:13 again.

Not usually.

Nobody is in the lake of fire until the last day's judgement.
So you believe that on the Judgement day the guy caught gathering sticks will join Ananias & Saphirra in the lake of fire?

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Num 15:34
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
 
Hmmm.
I haven't seen the Law mentioned at all.
No work of any kind can make a person righteous. Only the mercy of God's forgiveness and the imputation of God's righteousness by the Holy Spirit can make a person righteous. So this is not a matter of which works can justify and which ones can not. No work whatsoever can ever make a person righteous.
 
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I'm sure glad He took my sinful nature and gave me His righteous nature...so I can live without sinning.
Now our responsibility is to walk according to the new nature and deny the flesh. But when you fail because of weakness, or ignorance, or immaturity, the completed but ongoing intercessory ministry of Christ and his sacrifice that you believe in is there to forgive and cleanse and keep you at peace with God. That is as long as we keep believing. Whether or not a true believer can stop believing is something each of us has to settle in our own minds. But one thing we do know for sure, the Bible tells us to keep believing because the promise is sure, and that we will not remain in the promise if we stop believing and let the word slip from our hearts.
 
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Will you guy always be the most ridiculous to talk about Christ all these years, and daily be in strife in His name ?
3...contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Jude 1:3

24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing. 25He must gently reprove those who oppose him, in the hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. 26Then they will come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, who has taken them captive to his will. 2 Timothy 2:24-26
 
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