Contradicting Beliefs

[reba]

The context of Acts
2:45 was there were those that had come for a short stay and stayed
longer, some that lived close and had plenty and all helped each other and had
fellowship...

Can you show me worship service in the context of Eph 9:19?

 

[rrowell]

Divisive with who? You have stated in a few different ways if a person doesn't agree with you( or the teaching of cofC ) they are hell bound and you call me divisive?

Nobody here has said if you don't follow the teachings of the Church of Christ your going to hell, what has been said here many times is that if you don't follow the teachings of Christ and belong to HIS ONE CHURCH you will not enter the gate... and it is quite clear on this forum and many others that the Bible is a truth because He said :

Matt 7:13-14 (NKJV)
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide [is] the gate and broad [is] the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 “Because narrow [is] the gate and difficult [is] the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I don't see anywhere in scripture where my individual salvation and membership in the Body of Christ has anything to do with which church I attend.
Example: Were there individuals in the church at Galatia that were not saved and others who were? Same goes for the other churches in the other towns and cities.

Our salvation and membership in the Body of Church is based on our personal relationship with Jesus not the church or denomination we claim.

Born again Christians are children of God, adopted into His FAMILY, thus brothers and sisters in Christ!!!

The bible says Christ built His own church, He said "MY church", Mt 16:18, and the church is the body, Col 1:18, there is one body, Eph 4:4 and Christ is the Saviour of that one body, Eph 5:23. So no one outside that one body can be saved for Christ is the Saviour of His one body and no other bodies.

So the bible is clear that Christ established ONE church - one body and He is the Saviour of that one church, one body. Christ NEVER established thousand of churches with varying and contradicting beliefs, that is a result of mans' corruption. Those that obey the gospel are then added to that one church, Acts 2:47 and even though members of that one body were located in various places as Galatia, Ephesus, Jerusalem, etc but they all made up that one body with that one faith. So if the church of CHrist is that one body then all other religious groups are lost. If Catholics are that one body then all other groups are lost. If Baptists are that one body then all other groups are lost, if Pentecostals are that one group then all others are lost.. but all religious organizations cannot be that one body, that's impossible for 1 does not equal 1000. So the reason I am a member of the church of Christ where I live is that it follows the teaching/patterns of the bible. I know all those organizations claim to teach the bible but if they did they would all be in agreement but all the contradictions prove they are not all following the bible and therefore cannot be that one church/one body. Have you ever heard someone say "join the church of your choice" implying there are many religious organizatons that Christ established when He did not. Has anyone asked you "what faith are you" implying there are many contradicting faithS that can save when there is just ONE faith, Eph 4:4-5

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Wow Ernest!
It sounds like heaven will be empty except for you and your buddies.

Heaven will be empty except for those that make up Christ's one body/church which He is the Saviour of that one body.

What bible verse(s) teach Christ established many bodies with contradicting faiths and that He is the Saviour of all those bodies?

I can only show you from the bible Eph 4:4-5 there is ONE body and ONE faith

 

[reba]

So if the church of CHrist is that one body then all other religious
groups are lost

All other religious groups? do you see you called cofC a religious group?

 

[reba]

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Act_9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Act_15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

Act_16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.


Rom_16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.

Rom_16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

1Co_7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

1Co_11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Co_16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

1Co_16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

2Co_8:1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;

2Co_8:18 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;

2Co_8:19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

2Co_8:23 Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.

2Co_8:24 Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

2Co_11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.

2Co_11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

2Co_12:13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.

Gal_1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Gal_1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

1Th_2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

2Th_1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Rev_1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and senditunto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Rev_1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev_2:7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev_2:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev_2:17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receivethit.

Rev_2:23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Rev_2:29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_3:6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_3:13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_3:22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,andthe bright and morning star.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Grace, Love, Mercy and Peace. Those connected to Christ understand this and it's all they need.

How does one get connected to Christ to begin with? Ask that question on this forum and you will get varying, contradicting answers but yet God's truth Jn 17:17 does not contradict itself so all those answers you get cannot be of God's truth/ God's word.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Really? From your postings it appears you follow the teachings of Jason Jackson among others

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=48325&p=739722&viewfull=1

Your strawman arguments are growing weaker and weaker.

 

[reba]

Rom_12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

Rom_12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

 

[rrowell]

Can you show me worship service in the context of Eph 9:19?

Not really because there are only 6 chapters in Ephesians...

If it is Eph. 5:19 your referring to, it has been tried several times to show you, it has to do with being "filled with the spirit" Reba... ETB explained it to you... but because it does not say "worship service" well then, I guess you will never find a Christian has to go to "worship service" cause it isn't in the whole Bible Reba... so I guess you can quit going to Church and leave the "worship service" to those who understand it....

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

According to your posts and those of Ernest T Bass you are not in agreement. You are divided.. From what I got out of ETB post, he believes the teachings of Jason Jackson over the plain reading of the verses in acts I had posted...

Act_2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. ETC

exactly you have well made the point

I never said I follow the teaching of Jason Jackson or anyone else. YOU are trying to say that for me creating another one of your weak,false strawmans.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

All other religious groups? do you see you called cofC a religious group?

It's is a group of people that practice a religion. Is the group or organization you are affiliated with have that one faith and are that one body Christ established at Pentecost in Acts 2? If so can you prove it?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

..Act_9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Act_15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

Act_16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.


Rom_16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.

Rom_16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

1Co_7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

1Co_11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Co_16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

1Co_16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

2Co_8:1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;

2Co_8:18 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;

2Co_8:19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

2Co_8:23 Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.

2Co_8:24 Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

2Co_11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.

2Co_11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

2Co_12:13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.

Gal_1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Gal_1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

1Th_2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

2Th_1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Rev_1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and senditunto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Rev_1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev_2:7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev_2:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev_2:17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receivethit.

Rev_2:23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Rev_2:29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_3:6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_3:13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_3:22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev_22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,andthe bright and morning star.

You keep posting this, what's it suppose to mean or prove?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Rom_12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

Rom_12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

YES!! It says ONE BODY it does NOT say 1,238 bodies

MANY members located in various places and cities as Asia, Galatia, Ephesus, Jerusalem, etc yet all those individual Christian members with like precious faith make up ONE body and not 1,238 contradicting organizatons with contradicting faithS making up one body.

 

[rrowell]

It's is a group of people that practice a religion. Is the group or organization you are affiliated with have that one faith and are that one body Christ established at Pentecost in Acts 2? If so can you prove it?

I believe one translation calls the "group" you speak of, the one established at Pentecost, a "Peculiar People":

1Pet 2:9 (KJV)
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[reba]

..

Act_9:31 Then had the

churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified;
and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were
multiplied.

Act_15:41 And he went through Syria and
Cilicia, confirming the churches.

Act_16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in
number daily.


Rom_16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I
give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.

Rom_16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.


1Co_7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called
every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

I see the churches as making the body of Christ. I see that in the NT teachings. not all are hands not all are feet etc.

 

[reba]

I never said I follow the teaching of Jason Jackson or anyone else. YOU are trying to say that for me creating another one of your weak,false strawmans.

You posted an article of this man as a way of explaining the whys of Acts 2 :45 yet you dont follow his teaching? You may call it straw it is your post.

I have zero problem that some folks don't believe IM should be in service. 'No IM' is not proven no matter how hard cofC tries to make it so... It is not unto salvation....He is our Lord with Grace and Mercy He died that we should be free... There are 'ideas' things' that if one is a Christian he will believe such as the Cross, the Resurrection. The deity of Christ... there are more....

The differences between cofC and myself seem to be covered here:
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any

Like that old hymn There is Room at the Cross

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I believe one translation calls the "group" you speak of, the one established at Pentecost, a "Peculiar People":

1Pet 2:9 (KJV)
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

People that follow a religion "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

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[/COLOR] I see the churches as making the body of Christ. I see that in the NT teachings. not all are hands not all are feet etc.

It's members that make up the one church/one body, individual members with a "like precious faith". Individual members in Galatia were as much a pert of that one body as those in Jerusalem, Ephesus and elsewhere.

Man made organizations with conflicting beliefs do not make up that one body.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

You posted an article of this man as a way of explaining the whys of Acts 2 :45 yet you dont follow his teaching? You may call it straw it is your post.

I have zero problem that some folks don't believe IM should be in service. 'No IM' is not proven no matter how hard cofC tries to make it so... It is not unto salvation....He is our Lord with Grace and Mercy He died that we should be free... There are 'ideas' things' that if one is a Christian he will believe such as the Cross, the Resurrection. The deity of Christ... there are more....

The differences between cofC and myself seem to be covered here:
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any

Like that old hymn There is Room at the Cross

I agree with what he wrote in that article. That is a far cry from saying I follow him or his teachings. I may agree with what another poster on this forum posts, but that does not remotely mean I follow them or their teachings.

It does not matter if you or me or anyone else thinks about the use of IMs. All that does matters is what God said about music in worshipping Him.



Simple queston: do you think the bible sets the standard as to how man worships God?

or

does man can choose for himself how he worships God and worships is just a free-for-all do-as-you-please event?



1 Cor 9:21 "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. "

Paul was under law to Christ.