Covid 19 virus plus vaccine was meant to kill us.

[Corn Pop]

Because it's possible to get infected a second time, and because the virus mutates, evolving different strains for which the newer vaccines are effective.

I think they went a bit extreme pushing it on the entire elegable population and saying no 90% no freedoms. Why would fit and healthy young people with no known conditions need a jab for basically the symptoms of a cold?. They made it out like everyone was at high risk of dying and needed the jab. I can understand if those over middle aged and older or those who were more vulnerable and at higher risk of getting seriously sick why they were encouraged to get it.

 

[Barbarian]

I think they went a bit extreme pushing it on the entire elegable population and saying no 90% no freedoms. Why would fit and healthy young people with no known conditions need a jab for basically the symptoms of a cold.

Partially because over 70,000 Americans under 50 died of COVID-19 infections. Roughly twice the annual death toll from auto accidents, a major cause of death. And because unvaccinated people tend to become infected and spread the disease.

Never heard "no 90%, no freedoms." Do you have a link to a government decree saying that?

 

[Corn Pop]

Never heard "no 90%, no freedoms." Do you have a link to a government decree saying that?

The ruler spoke. In my opinion ending lockdowns and reopening is called freedom.

New Zealand sets 90% vaccine target to end lockdowns and reopen

The country is aiming to move to a system where it could live with the coronavirus. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[Corn Pop]

And because unvaccinated people tend to become infected and spread the disease.

And so do jab people. Everyone I know who was jab still got infected at some point, some mild some more sick than others. and if someone is infected that means they can also pass it on. I know a whole family who were double jab and all home sick, so it was best at that time for everyone to stay away from them as they were isolating and did not want to spread the virus and make others sick.

 

[Barbarian]

And because unvaccinated people tend to become infected and spread the disease.

And so do jab people.

Only at a much lower rate than unvaccinated people. Not perfect, but pretty good. Plus, vaccinated people are less likely to shed virus, even if they get infected. I can look up the number if you like.

 

[Barbarian]

Never heard "no 90%, no freedoms." Do you have a link to a government decree saying that?

The ruler spoke.

Link?

 

[Hopeful 2]

I wonder how many communist Chinese died from that virus.

 

[Barbarian]

I wonder how many communist Chinese died from that virus.

Our estimates are robust to moderate changes in the assumed age-specific vaccine efficacy and infection-fatality rates (Appendix Table 4). If the large surge in COVID-19 hospitalizations in late 2022 and early 2023 compromised patient care, we may have significantly underestimated the overall mortality rate. Assuming that COVID-19 mortality increased by a factor of 3.39 during China’s 3-day peak in reported test positivity (based on an estimate from a COVID-19 healthcare surge in Hong Kong in March 2022 [12]), our estimate of overall mortality increases to 2.11 (95% CrI 1.71–2.60) million.

Estimate of COVID-19 Deaths, China, December 2022–February 2023

Estimate of COVID-19 Deaths, China

wwwnc.cdc.gov

The Chinese government imposed extreme lockdown rules that probably limited the deaths, but in the long run, damaged the nation in various ways.

The Shadow of China's Lockdown Remains | Think Global Health

Four years after China locked down Wuhan, the country is still feeling the aftershocks

www.thinkglobalhealth.org

 

[Corn Pop]

Plus, vaccinated people are less likely to shed virus, even if they get infected. I can look up the number if you like.

I'm interested to know how someone who is infected is less likely to infect others just because they had a jab. If someone is sick with covid just because they are jabed how does that make other people safer and less likely to get infected?.

 

[Barbarian]

I'm interested to know how someone who is infected m is less likely to infect others just because they had a jab.

Vaccinated individuals have a lower viral load if they get infected. But they still can pass it on to someone else, Brian said. Viral load means the amount of virus an infected person produces. If the viral load is significantly less due to vaccination, there’s less risk of transmitting the virus to others.

So can vaccinated people spread COVID to a friend or family member who is not vaccinated? It can happen.
“Very few things in medicine have a 0% chance of happening,” Brian said.

Fully vaccinated less likely to pass COVID-19 to others

Research on transmission prevention is ongoing. But as more people receive the vaccine, the spread of COVID-19 continues to slow.

www.osfhealthcare.org

Look at the graphs you see the flat line, that was lockdowns and hard restrictions controlling the virus, notice once we come out of lockdowns once we had a 90% do7ble jab rate it just goes on a upward spike over the next couple years. After lockdowns and 90% jab rate that's when everyone starting getting sick and dying. Why is that?.

The evidence suggests that lockdowns were more effective than the deniers were saying. But the vaccination did pretty well. At the worst day, less than 1 person in 200 in New Zealand was infected. U.S. infections were, at worst, one in three Americans. Unfortunately, the United States did not have as good a record on vaccinations. And you see the difference.

They were so proud claiming at one point early they eliminated the virus and got world praise

That only lasted as long as the lockdowns. Vaccinations are clearly a better strategy that doesn't cause such economic damage. China did even stronger lockdowns, and it badly damaged the Chinese economy.

 

[Corn Pop]

Vaccinated individuals have a lower viral load if they get infected. But they still can pass it on to someone else, Brian said. Viral load means the amount of virus an infected person produces. If the viral load is significantly less due to vaccination, there’s less risk of transmitting the virus to others.

So can vaccinated people spread COVID to a friend or family member who is not vaccinated? It can happen.
“Very few things in medicine have a 0% chance of happening,” Brian said.

Fully vaccinated less likely to pass COVID-19 to others

Research on transmission prevention is ongoing. But as more people receive the vaccine, the spread of COVID-19 continues to slow.

www.osfhealthcare.org

The evidence suggests that lockdowns were more effective than the deniers were saying. But the vaccination did pretty well. At the worst day, less than 1 person in 200 in New Zealand was infected. U.S. infections were, at worst, one in three Americans. Unfortunately, the United States did not have as good a record on vaccinations. And you see the difference.

That only lasted as long as the lockdowns. Vaccinations are clearly a better strategy that doesn't cause such economic damage. China did even stronger lockdowns, and it badly damaged the Chinese economy.

If the vacc could maybe help the more high risk and vulnerable go from severely sick to mild symptoms if they got infected, im guessing that would mean they would have a lower viral load if they got infected, i dont know so im asking a question?. I would have thought someone with more lower symptoms would mean they have a lower viral load?.

Most people just got mild cold or flu like symptoms, like 98%, that was even before the jab, so the jab was obviously to try lower death rates and those more high risk and vulnerable to get less sick if they did get infected, so what makes someone have a higher viral load than someone else?. I would have thought the more sick the higher the viral load, unless they maybe asymotomatic?

 

[Barbarian]

If the vacc could maybe help the more high risk and vulnerable go from severely sick to mild symptoms if they got infected, im guessing that would mean they would have a lower viral load if they got infected, i dont know so im asking a question?. I would have thought someone with more lower symptoms would mean they have a lower viral load?.

That tends to be the case.

Most people just got mild cold or flu like symptoms, like 98%, that was even before the jab, so the jab was obviously to try lower death rates and those more high risk and vulnerable to get less sick if they did get infected, so what makes someone have a higher viral load than someone else?.

The vaccine stimulates immunity, meaning that the virus particles get sequestered more effectively, reducing or eliminating symptoms, and reducing viral load.

I would have thought the more sick the higher the viral load, unless they maybe asymotomatic?

That tends to be the case.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Many other vaccines aside from the ones developed in the United States are still floating around. If I recall correctly India china and Cuba all developed vaccines based on older technology. Some of those vaccines are shelf stable and inexpensive do getting them into places with limited resources and not so stellar infrastructure is less challenging.

A doctor in the USA used massive vitamin c injections and infusions to treat just about everything. I think his name was Klenner? Maybe Klein? At any rate it makes for interesting reading. He even treated barbiturate overdoses and snake bites with massive infusions of vitamin c and he claims success.

I do think it’s worth noting that the polio vaccines weren’t massive blockbusters like Covid vaccines. I don’t think Salk even personally profited that much off of his version though I could be mistaken. Common good…

 

[Corn Pop]

Before the jab was available everyone got naturally infected with the first varient that I guess was one of the most potent, and there was a 98-99% recovery rate and most people just had very mild cold or flu like symptoms, so if the jab could help lower that death rate as even 1% of non vaccinated people is still alot of people and 1 death is one death too many, by helping the higher risk and vulnerable from getting seriously sick if they did get infected, it would have just lowered there viral load if they got infected so they didn't get as sick to around the same viral loads as everyone else whos body could easily fight infection as they didn't get very sick , like the 99% of the millions of non vaccinated before the vacc become available, thats if lower viral loads go on the severity of sickness and most people had low sickness before the jab was available. Correct me if im wrong. So it could then be said the vacc could lower viral loads.

So some of those higher risk who got vacc instead of getting really sick if they got infected they got milder symptoms and had a lower viral load?

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm still wondering in my country why they forced small family owned fruit and vegetable stores and butchers to close as they were not classed as essential service when all they sell is food, yet the duopoly corps were allowed to stay open that have the exact same customer service practices. Food was classed as essential service yet for some reason those who basically only sold fresh fruit and vegetables, milk bread and eggs, and meat was not essential food. I don't know what was defined as food then.

Essential services only. I mean, in general i would have thought favouritism is illegal, as in you cannot just shut down a business yet the competitor up the road is allowed to stay open and get all the customers and profit large as that would be favouritism.

But not only that it made no logical sense. Why would they force everyone by the thousands every day into a limited couple of stores as that would just be a higher risk of spreading the virus where the whole point was to lower the risk.

It was all just dumb dumb.

 

[Corn Pop]

During lockdowns some biggest companys took advantage, one company collected $33 million of wage subsidies but had just paid out $84m to its rich list family shareholders.

Taking a subsidy from taxpayers at large and using that money to line the pockets of the richest families is a complete joke.

 

[kathy77]

No, the whole COVID and vaccines thing was a massive, worldwide scam, and that is the truth. I just knew it on the day one when they announced it on the TV. Then observing everything around me in life just confirmed my gut feeling. The same propaganda, the same narrative all around the world, the same scare mongering, and pushing to get vaccinated, even blackmailing and forcing it, not only in workplace, ostracism, curfews!!!, ridiculous restrictions, and so on, zero debate, zero considering pros and cons, calling those who dare to have doubts and critical thinking a foil hats etc

Me too, I consider the whole pandemic as a scam. Me, personally I didn't see anyone dying, nor people didn't die on the streets like in a movie. All media just v been exploiting people's fears, uncertainties, and vulnerabilities. The goal was probably as usual the money and benefits from sell of Covid related products. Awareness and caution are crucial in avoiding these scams, but finally to travel abroad cause of Govrm restrictions without vaccine was impossible to do.

 

[Corn Pop]

No, the whole COVID and vaccines thing was a massive, worldwide scam, and that is the truth. I just knew it on the day one when they announced it on the TV. Then observing everything around me in life just confirmed my gut feeling. The same propaganda, the same narrative all around the world, the same scare mongering, and pushing to get vaccinated, even blackmailing and forcing it, not only in workplace, ostracism, curfews!!!, ridiculous restrictions, and so on, zero debate, zero considering pros and cons, calling those who dare to have doubts and critical thinking a foil hats etc

They thought and treated everyone like they was stupid. Like some.places in the UK with there lockdown curfews. Business had to close at 10pm and everyone had to go home. Apparently the virus only worked night shift.

The virus was sleeping during the day as business was allowed to open during the day but at 9:59pm the virus was waking up after having a snooze all day and was out to infect people so business had to close there doors at 10pm on the dot and everyone had to go home because the virus was now awake out to get everyone.

 

[Corn Pop]

The virus started work at 10pm in England. Everyone could have a meal or a beer and socialise and have a good time, but at 10pm you have to prevent the spread as thats the time the virus started work in restaurants and bars and hospitality venues as it worked nighshift, have to go home to save lives.

Covid: Pubs and restaurants in England to have 10pm closing times

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove also says that "if people can work from home they should".

www.bbc.com