I know the history of both .
I just think it's a bit much .
There is a road I drive daily .if you do 45 you will have people passing even in the right lane,60 to 65 Is must .
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[__ Science __ ] Covid Vaccine — Texas Senate Discussion
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I just think it's a bit much .
There is a road I drive daily .if you do 45 you will have people passing even in the right lane,60 to 65 Is must .
I wonder--- as a hyper-Trump pumper.... How do you reconcile Trump's stance on this "vaccine" that isn't a vaccine? He claims credit for it's rapid development (without human trials) for it's roll out and distribution in record time (having eliminated the requirements for all other vaccines) it's emergency use authorization and efficacy (if any). He has promoted it since the beginning, still promotes it and still stands behind the idea that everyone should have it as well as any number of 'boosters' that are coming.
Do you just give him a pass?
Barbarian
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Remember, they are vaccines because they fit the scientific definition. And there were massive human trials of all the vaccines before they were first authorized and then approved.
I figure credit where credit is due. Whatever other bungles and crimes he might have done, he got this right.
LOL no. If I change the definition of maroon, I can accurately declare you one.
Don’t be silly.
Barbarian
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I figure credit where credit is due. Whatever other bungles and crimes he might have done, Trump got this right.
Covid-19 vaccines saved hundreds of thousands of lives and prevented more than a million hospitalizations in the United States, according to new estimates from researchers at Yale University and the Commonwealth Fund.
The researchers compared actual trends in Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths against a modeled trajectory of what those trends would have been if there had been no vaccinations.
By the end of June, the researchers estimate that there would have been about 279,000 additional deaths due to Covid-19 -- about 46% more than there were -- and as many as 1.25 million additional hospitalizations if there were no vaccinations. And if vaccinations had progressed at half the pace that they did, about 121,000 more people may have died and more than 450,000 more would have been hospitalized.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/covid-vaccinations-prevent-deaths-hospitalizations/index.html
Credit where credit is due. Trump got that right, and he deserves credit for it.
Yep. And it worked. Saved a huge number of lives.
Covid-19 vaccines saved hundreds of thousands of lives and prevented more than a million hospitalizations in the United States, according to new estimates from researchers at Yale University and the Commonwealth Fund.
The researchers compared actual trends in Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths against a modeled trajectory of what those trends would have been if there had been no vaccinations.
By the end of June, the researchers estimate that there would have been about 279,000 additional deaths due to Covid-19 -- about 46% more than there were -- and as many as 1.25 million additional hospitalizations if there were no vaccinations. And if vaccinations had progressed at half the pace that they did, about 121,000 more people may have died and more than 450,000 more would have been hospitalized.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/covid-vaccinations-prevent-deaths-hospitalizations/index.html
Credit where credit is due. Trump got that right, and he deserves credit for it.
Well thank you. School colors you know. Perhaps you meant "moron." It's spelled with just one "o."
You do it so gracefully.
None of the “vaccines“ prevent people from getting Covid 19.
None of the “vaccines“ prevent people from dying from Covid 19.
None of the “vaccines“ prevent people from spreading Covid 19.
The Covid 19 “vaccines” injure, kill, and cause heart problems in people, while they don’t prevent people from getting Covid 19, or
prevent people from dying from Covid 19, or prevent people from spreading Covid 19.
How is that “good”?
At best you are extremely deceived.
JLB
Barbarian
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Well, those are testable assumptions. Let's take a look...
mRNA COVID-19 vaccines help lower the risk of mechanical ventilation or death by about 94%
COVID-19 vaccines remain highly effective against severe COVID-19 and its complications — even during the Omicron variant’s predominance. Recent CDC research shows that three doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines help lower the risk of dying or going on a ventilator by about 94%. This is compared to unvaccinated adults.A ventilator, or mechanical ventilation machine, helps you breathe better. It’s used if you can’t breathe well enough on your own.
- What this means: Getting fully vaccinated and boosted with a mRNA vaccine helps prevent some of the most severe complications of COVID-19.
- Keep in mind: This study was conducted before the FDA started recommending second booster shots for certain people. Added protection from a second booster shot isn’t included in these results.
The irony is, COVID-19 infections are many times more likely to cause heart problems in people than the vaccination:
In a July 2020 study published in JAMA Cardiology, researchers discovered that 78 out of 100 patients recovering from COVID-19 had some kind of cardiac impairment, and 60 of those had myocarditis after recovering, independent of whether or not they had preexisting conditions or how severe their COVID-19 symptoms were.
Epidemiologic studies of myocarditis after COVID vaccination are reviewed, which show an incidence of approximately 20-30 per million patients. The vast majority of these cases are seen with mRNA vaccines especially in male patients under 30 years of age. Mechanisms are largely theoretical, but molecular mimicry and dysregulated innate immune reactions have been proposed. While studies suggest that this subtype of myocarditis is mild and self-limited, long-term evidence is lacking. Principles of myocarditis treatment and surveillance are outlined as they apply to COVID vaccine-associated myocarditis.
Myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination: incidence, mechanisms, and clinical considerations - PubMed
COVID vaccine-associated myocarditis is rare but well described in certain at-risk groups. Better understanding of its pathogenesis is key to mitigating this complication and advancing vaccination efforts. Risk-benefit analyses demonstrate that individual- and population-level benefits of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
So, 78% chance of heart problems if you get infected, and 0.003% chance if you get vaccinated. Who would be foolish enough to go against those odds? I'd pick the alternative that had the lowest risk.
In general, reducing risk is considered good.
I tend to go with the data. Barbarians are funny that way.
You tell me— does moron fit better than maroon? I meant what I said, but purposely didn’t define the term.
Maroon can be a color -a shade of purple and red, or it can refer to someone stranded on an island for example.
But when Bugs Bunny says- “What a maroon!” -he’s likely inferring something much closer to your understanding. Yet that’s not what the term means. Bugs Bunny redefined it.
So too with ‘vaccine.’ The CDC and the WHO and the FDA simply redefined what ‘vaccines’ are and what qualifies an injection to be categorized as such.
Up until they did this ALL vaccines had to meet certain criteria:
1. The injection must give you antibody immunity to the virus.
2. Those antibodies must protect you from that virus.
3. The injection must show that it reduces hospitalizations- sickness, symptoms and deaths related to that virus.
4. The injection must protect and prevent the person who receives it from carrying that bacteria or virus.
5. The injection must prevent those who receive it from transmitting that virus.
Those are the things required of injections to be considered a vaccine- by definition.
Unless you simply change the definition which of course, is what they did- because this injection does NONE of those things.
That’s all folks!
Barbarian
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No. For example, the polio vaccines do not necessarily prevent you from being infected with the polio virus; they protect you from severe illness caused by the virus. In fact, the most commonly-used polio vaccine actually gives you a dose of attenuated live polio virus, which proliferates in your body, producing immunity. Yellow Fever and smallpox vaccinations were like that, too. So are measles vaccines.
When people first started doing vaccinations, they really had no idea what was going on, so very little of that stuff in your definition was even known. They just knew that if one was exposed to a weak version of an infectious agent, or to parts of a killed suspension of microorganisms, immunity would often follow.
Of course, the COVID-19 vaccines do indeed give you very good immunity to the virus; your likelihood of being infected after vaccination is much less than if you are not vaccinated. And the likelihood of being very ill or dying is much , much less. Those data have been posted here repeatedly. Would you like to see them, again?
And of course, if you have much less chance of being infected, you have much less chance of spreading the infection. For reasons you can probably realize.
And the definition of a vaccine in science is:
A preparation of killed or live disease organisms, or fragments of organisms that are introduced into the body to produce immunity.
That hasn't changed since the 1960s, when I first learned that definition from my biology classes.
Your "definition" vaguely resembles Koch's Postulates, which is meant for something else. It was the way that Koch proposed to test microorganisms as agents of disease.
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-oh but “of course” they do. No reported cases of “vaccinated” people getting Chinavirus. And no side effects from the jabs.A real vaccination (like Polio) does indeed prevent you from contracting, carrying and transmitting polio. 3 doses of inactivated polio vaccine are 99-100% effective in preventing disease.
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Barbarian
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You've got that wrong. No vaccine, even live virus vaccines are 100% effective. And yes, a vaccination for live virus vaccines such as smallpox, can indeed cause you to spread the virus under some conditions. Live-virus vaccines do tend to produce better immunity, but they carry risks not seen in mRNA vaccines. Killed-virus vaccines are generally not as effective as live-virus vaccines but they are safer.
Smallpox Vaccine Risky to Bystanders
Contact After Vaccination Can Transmit Infection in High-Risk People
People With Smallpox Vaccine Can Transmit Infection to Some Bystanders
People vaccinated against smallpox can transmit a potentially deadly infection to unvaccinated people with weakened immune systems.
www.webmd.com
Not common, but it can happen. Things are more interesting than you think.
Remarkably, after relatively short time to produce and test, the COVID-19 vaccines are doing extremely well:
Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: test negative case-control study
BMJ2021 May 13;373
Combined with the effect against symptomatic disease, a single dose of either vaccine was about 80% effective at preventing admission to hospital with covid-19 and a single dose of BNT162b2 was 85% effective at preventing death with covid-19.
Turns out, a complete series with booster does even better:
The latest study was published in the journal The Lancet on Oct. 29 and conducted in Israel by the Clalit Research Institute in collaboration with Harvard University. In it, researchers analyzed health record data from July 30, 2021, through Sept. 23, 2021, which is when the Delta variant had become the dominant strain in the country. The team then carefully matched 728,321 patients who had received the initial two doses of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine at least five months earlier with 728,321 patients who had received a third shot, pairing them based on similarities in risk, health, age, sex, and location to offer an accurate comparison.
Results found that patients who received Pfizer booster shots were at a 93 percent lower risk of being hospitalized, a 92 percent lower risk of severe disease, and an 81 percent lower risk of death from COVID-19 compared to those who had only received their initial two shots. The researchers also noted that the booster's effectiveness was similar for sexes, age groups, and the number of comorbidities that increased health risk.
This Is How Protected You Are After a Pfizer Booster, New Study Says
The long-running debate over whether or not COVID-19 vaccine boosters would be needed finally ended when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized their use in some people. The decisions came as more studies found that initial...
So, for example, two shots and a booster are 97.75% effective against death, compared to people with just two shots (81% effective against death).
Do I though? Let's check in with your high priests at the CDC--
Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.
Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection | CDC
Information about the effectiveness of the polio vaccine and how long it provides immunity against poliovirus.
www.cdc.gov
Barbarian
Member
So 90% or 99-100% is not 100%. As you now see, even very effective vaccines like polio and the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines are not 100%.
Dorothy Mae
Member
I listened to Dr. John Campbell talk about the number of positive cases in Great Britain which is going up. Interestingly enough, he said no one predicted the numbers would increase in summer. He says the numbers are the highest ever. But he’s wrong about everyone being surprised.
Way back in May Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche predicted exactly that. He said (a vaccine and immunology specialist) that the numbers would increase dramatically in summer. This is due to the immunological changes in the vaccinated. He predicted what is happening now.
Way back in May Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche predicted exactly that. He said (a vaccine and immunology specialist) that the numbers would increase dramatically in summer. This is due to the immunological changes in the vaccinated. He predicted what is happening now.
New Zealand vaccinated their entire adult population through mandate. No one had a choice. They also had some of the strictest lockdown orders and travel restrictions on earth with COVID containment camps with mandated quarantine periods and heavy fines imposed.
They still have indoor masking requirements in place.
Yet with all of this madness they report among the highest incidence of covid cases anywhere.
Dorothy Mae
Member
Exactly what Dr. Vanden Bossche said. He said it would hit the strictest jab policy regimes hardest. His reasoning makes sense.
He also said the unvaccinated will not be as vulnerable. Of course the recovered have the best trained immune system but no one chooses to belong to that group. There are risks for some.
Yes, the great truth teller is Time. It won’t favor all of those knee jerk decision makers.
But in case you haven’t figured it out yet, none of this has much to do with us. On one level it’s all been a grand experiment to see how far you can push people and who will be compliant given certain stimuli, incentives or threats and penalties. And it was a global test with different methods and means in different countries.
Beyond that it is compliance training focused on our kids and grandkids. They are being taught to listen, trust and obey. To never question nor resist.
I predicted the numbers would increase based on observation, the data, and common sense. Viruses mutate and the vaccines were made for the original variant. The newer variants are better at evading the immune system.
Without further qualifying his claims, he is wrong in that the unvaccinated are more vulnerable to severe disease, hospitalization, and death. Even the recovered can continue to get COVID, in large part due to the latest variants being better able to evade the immune system, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated.
Without evidence that is mere conjecture and opinion.
Barbarian
Member
No conspiracy on that level ever worked. Human nature being what it is, someone always spills the beans. Notice that many thousands of people claim to have knowledge of this great conspiracy, while at the same time claiming that it's been so effective that ordinary people can't know about it.
As they say, one benefit of paranoia is omniscience.