Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 12:11-12

[DRS81]

Young's Literal Translation
Dan 9:27 And he (Messiah) hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease,( Messiah became the only atonement for sin ) and by the wing of abominations (the wing of the Roman armies) he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one (the desolate one was the nation of Israel that had rejected Him).'

Hi Deb. You indeed have said much here. If Dan 9:26-27 are speaking of the same seven years, can you expand your thoughts on this. Can you break down the events of what's happening. All I have right now is that Jesus confirms a covenant with Israel at the beginning of the 483rd year. Then what happens. It seems like the sentences in these two scriptures do not go in order...

v26 After the 434 years, people will kill the special ruler that God has appointed. He will have nothing. Then a foreign prince will come with his army and he will destroy the city and the holy place. The end will be like a flood. God has ordered that people should destroy things. He has decided that there will be war until the end of that time. v27 The prince will make a strong agreement with many people for 7 years. In the middle of the 7 years he will stop all the *sacrifices. He will put an awful thing in the holy place. And it will stay there until God acts. God has decided to kill this prince, and his end will happen.’

 

[Deborah13]

Hi Deb. You indeed have said much here. If Dan 9:26-27 are speaking of the same seven years, can you expand your thoughts on this. Can you break down the events of what's happening. All I have right now is that Jesus confirms a covenant with Israel at the beginning of the 483rd year. Then what happens. It seems like the sentences in these two scriptures do not go in order...

v26 After the 434 years, people will kill the special ruler that God has appointed. He will have nothing. Then a foreign prince will come with his army and he will destroy the city and the holy place. The end will be like a flood. God has ordered that people should destroy things. He has decided that there will be war until the end of that time. v27 The prince will make a strong agreement with many people for 7 years. In the middle of the 7 years he will stop all the *sacrifices. He will put an awful thing in the holy place. And it will stay there until God acts. God has decided to kill this prince, and his end will happen.’

I believe that anyone that is reading these scriptures really needs to study verse 24 very carefully and identify each thing listed that needed to happen within the 70 wks. If they all did then the 70 wks have been fulfilled. Messiah was the only one who could fulfill these things in verse 24 and only by His life, death, and resurrection. If the Messiah died AFTER the 69th week, then He must have died in the 70th week,
Dan 9:24 `Seventy weeks are determined for thy people, and for thy holy city, to [do these things]

I believe as most of the Protestant Church fathers did before the early 1900s and many Christian still do.
Matthew Henry's commentary lines it out well.
I read your commentary, you don't seem to agree with your own commentary.
http://legacy.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 9:24-27&version=YLT

Show resources - click on this an pull up Matthew Henry 9:20-27
short quotes
"In the first seven weeks, or forty-nine years, the temple and city were built; and in the last single week Christ preached his gospel, by which the Jewish economy was taken down, and the foundations were laid of the gospel city and temple, which were to be built upon the ruins of the former..." Bold added
"it was to atone for our sins, and to purchase life for us, that he was cut off. [6.] He must confirm the covenant with many. He shall introduce a new covenant between God and man, a covenant of grace, since it had become impossible for us to be saved by a covenant of innocence....."
"He must cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. By offering himself a sacrifice once for all he shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices, shall..."
"that is, the Roman armies, belonging to a monarchy yet to come (Christ is the prince that shall come, and they are employed by him in this service; they are his armies, Matt. 22:7), or..."

If you really want to know Matthew Henry should give you plenty to chew on.
Here's another place to read the same thing from Matt and other commentators.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhcw/daniel/9.htm

Blessings, thank you for being so pleasant to talk to.

 

[JLB]

As you say, He was cut off in the 70th week.

Deb, I didn't say He was cut off in the 70th week.

The 70th week has not begun.


JLB

 

[Deborah13]

Deb, I didn't say He was cut off in the 70th week.

The 70th week has not begun.


JLB

OK, we can disagree.

 

[DRS81]

Blessings, thank you for being so pleasant to talk to.

You're welcome Deb. I do the best I can. Forums do certainly teach us patience.

Ok, if the prince here is Jesus then why is he putting an awful thing in the holy place. Or is the he, he and he speaking of two or three different people. God has decided to kill Jesus, or God is killing the evil prince. There are two princes, a good prince and an evil prince I believe.

v27 The prince will make a strong agreement with many people for 7 years. In the middle of the 7 years he will stop all the *sacrifices. He will put an awful thing in the holy place. And it will stay there until God acts. God has decided to kill this prince, and his end will happen.’

 

[Sinthesis]

Dan 9:26

1. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
2. and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
3. and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9:27

1. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
2. and for the overspreading of abominations
3. he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

These two verses are talking about the same things. They essentially repeat three themes for emphasis.

 

[for_his_glory]

Where in this verse does it say the 70th week is already complete. Dan 9:27



No it's not, the 70th week is not a span of 2,000 years. The 70th week is describing seven years. One week in the jubilee calendar is seven years. Confirming the covenant is describing the Antichrist signing a seven year peace treaty with Israel. How knowledgeable are you in regards to the jubilee calendar. - DRS81

1 week = 7 year periods
7 weeks = 49 year periods
62 weeks = 434 year periods
69 (7+62) weeks = 483 year periods
70 weeks = 490 year periods of time

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This was Ezra rebuilding the literal Temple, but also prophetic of the SpiritualTemple making it ready for Messiah to return.

Daniel gives six major events that characterize the 490 years.

1. "To finish the transgression" Israel's rejection of Messiah (Jesus) as Israel is brought to restoration at the time of the second coming.

2. "to put an end to sin" The sins of National Israel will not be forgiven until the deliver comes out of Zion and a new covenant is given to them.

3. "made reconciliation for iniquity" Life, death an Resurrection we are now reconciled through the blood of Christ as the final sacrifice

4. "to bring in everlasting righteousness" This is when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to the earth and set up His kingdom.

5. "seal up the vision and prophecy" This will be the time when all prophecy is fulfilled and the Lord Jesus Christ will be Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

6. "anoint the Most Holy" The Lord Jesus Christ will be anointed when the temple is cleansed at the end of the 2520 days when He returns.

Daniel 8: 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Full 70 weeks which end with the return of Christ)

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation period (not a seven year) as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years. (First half and second half of the 2300 days)

[Scripture reference]

Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7

1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6

42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

The 70th begins with commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

Ezra 1: 2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

Messiah is cut-off at the crucifixion which is the 69th week. God set aside the wrath that will come in the 70th week and revealed the revelation of the mystery to the apostle Paul and we will be in that gap until the rapture of the church and then God will pour out his wrath upon the earth.

The command to rebuild Jerusalem was in 457BC. Daniel 9:25 says it took 7 weeks (49 years) to rebuild. This brings us to 408BC.

Then Daniel says 62 weeks later (434 years) Messiah will arrive. This brings us to 27AD which is the end of week 69 and start of week 70. (408 – 343 = -26. Add 1 year for year “0” and you come to 27AD)

Then Daniel 9:26 says Messiah is cut off in the midst of week 70. (31AD)

 

[for_his_glory]

Discernment is important, but the true knowledge given by the Holy Spirit is a feel good message. That is how we are to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yes the Gospel is good news to those who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, but there are many false prophets out there teaching a deceptive word and this is why we need to learn how to discern that which is being taught us.

 

[Deborah13]

Daniel gives six major events that characterize the 490 years.

1. "To finish the transgression" Israel's rejection of Messiah (Jesus) as Israel is brought to restoration at the time of the second coming.

2. "to put an end to sin" The sins of National Israel will not be forgiven until the deliver comes out of Zion and a new covenant is given to them.

3. "made reconciliation for iniquity" Life, death an Resurrection we are now reconciled through the blood of Christ as the final sacrifice

4. "to bring in everlasting righteousness" This is when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to the earth and set up His kingdom.

5. "seal up the vision and prophecy" This will be the time when all prophecy is fulfilled and the Lord Jesus Christ will be Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

6. "anoint the Most Holy" The Lord Jesus Christ will be anointed when the temple is cleansed at the end of the 2520 days when He returns.

In Daniel 9:24 there are six events mentioned which should be the consequences of the incarnation of our Lord: -

I. To finish (לכלא lechalle, to restrain), the transgression which was effected by the preaching of the Gospel, and pouring out of the Holy Ghost among men. [ At the cross Messiah fulfilled Genesis 3:15, the power of satan over man]

II. To make an end of sins; rather ולהתם חטאות ulehathem chataoth, "to make an end of sin-offerings," which our Lord did when he offered his spotless soul and body on the cross once for all. 1[Messiah was the final and only atonement for sin.]

III. To make reconciliation (ולכפר ulechapper, "to make atonement or expiation") for iniquity; which he did by the once offering up of himself.

IV. To bring in everlasting righteousness, צדק עלמים tsedek olamim, that is, "the righteousness, or righteous One, of ages;" that person who had been the object of the faith of mankind, and the subject of the predictions of the prophets through all the ages of the world. [Messiah's everlasting righteousness came to man that man may be saved.]

V. To seal up (ולחתם velachtom, "to finish or complete") the vision and prophecy; that is, to put an end to the necessity of any farther revelations, by completing the canon of Scripture, and fulfilling the prophecies which related to his person, sacrifice, and the glory that should follow. [Messiah fulfilled all OT prophecy about Him. Luke 24:44 and
Matthew 5:17]

VI. And to anoint the Most Holy, קדש קדשים kodesh kodashim, "the Holy of holies." משיח mashach, to anoint, (from which comes משיח mashiach, the Messiah, the anointed one), signifies in general, to consecrate or appoint to some special office. Here it means the consecration or appointment of our blessed Lord, the Holy One of Israel, to be the Prophet, Priest, and King of mankind.

Everything in [ ] is what I added.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/daniel/9.htm

I believe that all six of these things were fulfilled by the Messiah in His live, death, and resurrection.

 

[Sinthesis]

In Daniel 9:24 there are six events mentioned which should be the consequences of the incarnation of our Lord: -

I. To finish (לכלא lechalle, to restrain), the transgression which was effected by the preaching of the Gospel, and pouring out of the Holy Ghost among men. [ At the cross Messiah fulfilled Genesis 3:15, the power of satan over man]

II. To make an end of sins; rather ולהתם חטאות ulehathem chataoth, "to make an end of sin-offerings," which our Lord did when he offered his spotless soul and body on the cross once for all. 1[Messiah was the final and only atonement for sin.]

III. To make reconciliation (ולכפר ulechapper, "to make atonement or expiation") for iniquity; which he did by the once offering up of himself.

IV. To bring in everlasting righteousness, צדק עלמים tsedek olamim, that is, "the righteousness, or righteous One, of ages;" that person who had been the object of the faith of mankind, and the subject of the predictions of the prophets through all the ages of the world. [Messiah's everlasting righteousness came to man that man may be saved.]

V. To seal up (ולחתם velachtom, "to finish or complete") the vision and prophecy; that is, to put an end to the necessity of any farther revelations, by completing the canon of Scripture, and fulfilling the prophecies which related to his person, sacrifice, and the glory that should follow. [Messiah fulfilled all OT prophecy about Him. Luke 24:44 and
Matthew 5:17]

VI. And to anoint the Most Holy, קדש קדשים kodesh kodashim, "the Holy of holies." משיח mashach, to anoint, (from which comes משיח mashiach, the Messiah, the anointed one), signifies in general, to consecrate or appoint to some special office. Here it means the consecration or appointment of our blessed Lord, the Holy One of Israel, to be the Prophet, Priest, and King of mankind.

Everything in [ ] is what I added.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/daniel/9.htm

I believe that all six of these things were fulfilled by the Messiah in His live, death, and resurrection.

Notice these are all positive events. The 70wks are the countdown to these six good things being fulfilled.

 

[DRS81]

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This was Ezra rebuilding the literal Temple, but also prophetic of the SpiritualTemple making it ready for Messiah to return.

Daniel gives six major events that characterize the 490 years.

1. "To finish the transgression" Israel's rejection of Messiah (Jesus) as Israel is brought to restoration at the time of the second coming.

2. "to put an end to sin" The sins of National Israel will not be forgiven until the deliver comes out of Zion and a new covenant is given to them.

3. "made reconciliation for iniquity" Life, death an Resurrection we are now reconciled through the blood of Christ as the final sacrifice

4. "to bring in everlasting righteousness" This is when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to the earth and set up His kingdom.

5. "seal up the vision and prophecy" This will be the time when all prophecy is fulfilled and the Lord Jesus Christ will be Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

6. "anoint the Most Holy" The Lord Jesus Christ will be anointed when the temple is cleansed at the end of the 2520 days when He returns.

Daniel 8: 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Full 70 weeks which end with the return of Christ)

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation period (not a seven year) as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years. (First half and second half of the 2300 days)

[Scripture reference]

Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7

1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6

42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

The 70th begins with commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

Ezra 1: 2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

Messiah is cut-off at the crucifixion which is the 69th week. God set aside the wrath that will come in the 70th week and revealed the revelation of the mystery to the apostle Paul and we will be in that gap until the rapture of the church and then God will pour out his wrath upon the earth.

The command to rebuild Jerusalem was in 457BC. Daniel 9:25 says it took 7 weeks (49 years) to rebuild. This brings us to 408BC.

Then Daniel says 62 weeks later (434 years) Messiah will arrive. This brings us to 27AD which is the end of week 69 and start of week 70. (408 – 343 = -26. Add 1 year for year “0” and you come to 27AD)

Then Daniel 9:26 says Messiah is cut off in the midst of week 70. (31AD)

Hi Glory. Thank you for post. However, I don't see Dan 9:27 anywhere in post. Where does Dan 9:27 fit it. - DRS81

 

[ezrider]

Deb, I didn't say He was cut off in the 70th week.

The 70th week has not begun.


JLB

In my opinion, to say that the 70th week has not yet begun is to deny the very works of Christ and the sacrifice of Jesus we read about in the new testament.

 

[ezrider]

Dan 9:27 says the he shall confirm the covenant. The he that this refers to is none other that Jesus, and the covenant that he confirms is a specific covenant foretold by the prophets.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the Lord:for they shall all know me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord:
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.

See also:
Hebrews 8:7-12
Galatians 3:15-18
Romans 11:26-27

 

[DRS81]

Dan 9:27 says the he shall confirm the covenant. The he that this refers to is none other that Jesus, and the covenant that he confirms is a specific covenant foretold by the prophets.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the Lord:for they shall all know me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord:
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.

See also:
Hebrews 8:7-12
Galatians 3:15-18
Romans 11:26-27

This makes sense, so you believe these seven years haven't happened yet? I need help with something however, can you fill in the blanks here..Dan 9:27 (Jesus) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' (he?) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple (he?) will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on (him?)."

 

[ezrider]

This makes sense, so you believe these seven years haven't happened yet? I need help with something however, can you fill in the blanks here..Dan 9:27 (Jesus) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' (he?) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple (he?) will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on (him?)."

I believe these seven years were fulfilled a long time ago. The final week of the 70 weeks comprised of the time period beginning when John bear witness to the Spirit of God descending upon Jesus after his baptism through till the time that Stephen looked up into the heavens and bear record of the Glory of God and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.

In the midst of the week Jesus was cut off, and he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease, because he became the offering and the one time sacrifice for a new and better covenant, and by his blood the covenant was consecrated, where we believe through faith that the Lord has forgiven our sins and will remember our iniquities no more.

Dan 9:27 does not say that he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, I believe you are conflating this with a different passage. Dan 9:27 says because of the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate; It is pretty clear to me reading the prophets that it is because of the overspreading of the abominations of Israel and Judah that Judgement had come upon them, and Jerusalem was left unto them desolate; But not just Jerusalem, but the old covenant that Jerusalem represented. Because of the overspreading of abominations, the old covenant was left unto them desolate.

Galatians 4:24-27 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not:for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

 

[DRS81]

Dan 9:27 does not say that he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, I believe you are conflating this with a different passage.

But it does say that he will set up an AOD, it's directly from scripture. That's why I put (he?), (he?) and (him?) in there. Who are they referring too..Dan 9:27 (Jesus) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' (he?) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple (he?) will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on (him?)."

 

[Deborah13]

But it does say that he will set up an AOD, it's directly from scripture. That's why I put (he?), (he?) and (him?) in there. Who are they referring too..Dan 9:27 (Jesus) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' (he?) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple (he?) will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on (him?)."

Where are you getting this interpretation of the scripture. The Greek does not say "poured on him."

Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

 

[DRS81]

Where are you getting this interpretation of the scripture. The Greek does not say "poured on him."

Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

Alright then,

But it does say that he will set up an AOD, it's directly from scripture. That's why I put (he?), (he?) and (the desolate one?) in there. Who are they referring too..Dan 9:27 (Jesus) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' (he?) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple (he?) will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured on (the desolate one?)."

 

[Sinthesis]

Alright then,

But it does say that he will set up an AOD, it's directly from scripture. That's why I put (he?), (he?) and (the desolate one?) in there. Who are they referring too..Dan 9:27 (Jesus) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' (he?) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple (he?) will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured on (the desolate one?)."

That is not quite what it says. There is an overspreading of abominations that justify the desolation. In other words, because of the people turning to abomination, Jesus leaves them, which means they are left desolate spiritually. Without God, the desolate are eventually destroyed.

 

[DRS81]

That is not quite what it says.

Hi Sinthesis, Good Afternoon. But it does say that my friend. There are four groups of people that are being spoken of here...Dan 9:27 And (he?) shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week (he?) shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come (one?) who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on (the desolator?).”

There is an overspreading of abominations that justify the desolation. In other words, because of the (people?) turning to abomination, Jesus leaves (them?), which means (they?) are left desolate spiritually. Without God, (the desolate?) are eventually destroyed.

In your sentence here who are (the people), (them), (they) and (the desolate) you speak of.