Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 12:11-12

[Jack Spratt]

JLB

Sorry my statement wasn't clear.

I group the events of His entrance to Jerusalem to the whole event of His crucifixion.

From His Triumphant entry to His Trial was, what, about 4 days?

In the terms of the thousands of years this earth has been around, I just stated that as the time period.

The 70th week is coming up quick though.

Cheers
Jack

 

[JLB]

JLB

Sorry my statement wasn't clear.

I group the events of His entrance to Jerusalem to the whole event of His crucifixion.

From His Triumphant entry to His Trial was, what, about 4 days?

In the terms of the thousands of years this earth has been around, I just stated that as the time period.

The 70th week is coming up quick though.

Cheers
Jack

Thanks Bro.

God Bless.

 

[ezrider]

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Deborah13 has posted this scripture in this discussion a number of times, and I think it is worth repeating again. Anything concerning the vision given in verses 25-27 must be understood in the context of verse 24 which establishes the entirety of the purpose for the 70 weeks. The vision given to Daniel in these scriptures is a prophesy concerning the coming of the Messiah. It is a vision concerning Christ and no other.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Daniel’s people were the Jews, or more specifically, those of the southern kingdom from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin who led away captive into Babylon) and upon thy holy city (the holy city of Daniel’s people is Jerusalem).

to finish the transgression
Romans 4:15
1 John 3:45
Isaiah 53:7-8

to make and end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity
Jeremiah 31:33-34
Hebrews 8:7-12
Psalm 32:1-2
Micah 7:18-20
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
Colossians 1:20

to bring in everlasting righteousness
Isaiah 33:5
Romans 3:21-26
Romans 6:18

to seal up the vision and the prophecy (to seal up this vision and prophecy)
John 17:4-5
John 18:28-30

to anoint the most Holy
Matthew 3:13-17
Acts 7:51-57
Revelations 1:4-6

To say that the 70 weeks have not yet been completed is akin to saying that Jesus did not perform the works that the new testament declares unto us he did, and it also demonstrates a lack of faith in accepting that the new covenant is indeed an active reality that we live under; some don’t event believe that Jeremiah 31:31-34 has been fulfilled. If you believe Jeremiah 31 to be yet future, and if you believe that the 70th week of Daniel is yet future, then do you await the promise of the new covenant? What covenant are you under? The new covenant confirmed in Christ is one of Faith and Grace, and by his new and better covenant he has made us free from our covenant with death.

Isaiah 28:15-18
Galatians 4:21-27

If you believe that the Antichrist figure is supposed to confirm a covenant for the final week, is he confirming again his old covenant of death to which they had already agreed? It baffles my mind sometimes how easy it seems we can take a prophecy and a vision concerning Christ the Messiah and some how turn it into a prophecy about some Antichrist figure: It says a lot.

 

[JLB]

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Deborah13 has posted this scripture in this discussion a number of times, and I think it is worth repeating again. Anything concerning the vision given in verses 25-27 must be understood in the context of verse 24 which establishes the entirety of the purpose for the 70 weeks. The vision given to Daniel in these scriptures is a prophesy concerning the coming of the Messiah. It is a vision concerning Christ and no other.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Daniel’s people were the Jews, or more specifically, those of the southern kingdom from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin who led away captive into Babylon) and upon thy holy city (the holy city of Daniel’s people is Jerusalem).

to finish the transgression
Romans 4:15
1 John 3:45
Isaiah 53:7-8

to make and end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity
Jeremiah 31:33-34
Hebrews 8:7-12
Psalm 32:1-2
Micah 7:18-20
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
Colossians 1:20

to bring in everlasting righteousness
Isaiah 33:5
Romans 3:21-26
Romans 6:18

to seal up the vision and the prophecy (to seal up this vision and prophecy)
John 17:4-5
John 18:28-30

to anoint the most Holy
Matthew 3:13-17
Acts 7:51-57
Revelations 1:4-6

To say that the 70 weeks have not yet been completed is akin to saying that Jesus did not perform the works that the new testament declares unto us he did, and it also demonstrates a lack of faith in accepting that the new covenant is indeed an active reality that we live under; some don’t event believe that Jeremiah 31:31-34 has been fulfilled. If you believe Jeremiah 31 to be yet future, and if you believe that the 70th week of Daniel is yet future, then do you await the promise of the new covenant? What covenant are you under? The new covenant confirmed in Christ is one of Faith and Grace, and by his new and better covenant he has made us free from our covenant with death.

Isaiah 28:15-18
Galatians 4:21-27

If you believe that the Antichrist figure is supposed to confirm a covenant for the final week, is he confirming again his old covenant of death to which they had already agreed? It baffles my mind sometimes how easy it seems we can take a prophecy and a vision concerning Christ the Messiah and some how turn it into a prophecy about some Antichrist figure: It says a lot.

It baffles my mind how people can make some statements and put a scripture tag behind it, as if the scripture "tag" somehow validates what they have said.


Everlasting Righteousness will be brought in when all of the "unrighteous" are removed and the righteous will remain forever with everlasting bodies that will never die.

nor can they die anymore = Everlasting

Lawless will be removed!

Only the righteous will remain and they will never die. = Everlasting Righteousness.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:41-43

and again -

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36


JLB

 

[ezrider]

It baffles my mind how people can make some statements and put a scripture tag behind it, as if the scripture "tag" somehow validates what they have said.


Everlasting Righteousness will be brought in when all of the "unrighteous" are removed and the righteous will remain forever with everlasting bodies that will never die.

nor can they die anymore = Everlasting

Lawless will be removed!

Only the righteous will remain and they will never die. = Everlasting Righteousness.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:41-43

and again -

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36


JLB

Well, I guess Jesus was a liar then as you tell me has not yet completed the work even though he said it is finished (John 19:28-30, I accidentally typed the wrong chapter number in my post above).

If you want to deny the things that pertain to Christ, then that is between you and the Lord. There is none righteous, no not one. Christ is our Everlasting Righteousness.

2 Corinthians 4:1-12
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus 'sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

 

[JLB]

Well, I guess Jesus was a liar then as you tell me has not yet completed the work even though he said it is finished (John 19:28-30, I accidentally typed the wrong chapter number in my post above).

If you want to deny the things that pertain to Christ, then that is between you and the Lord. There is none righteous, no not one. Christ is our Everlasting Righteousness.

2 Corinthians 4:1-12
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus 'sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

What did Jesus say was finished?

The end of sin?

The end of unrighteousness?

these things will be fulfilled during the 70th week.

Now we are in the times of the Gentiles.

The 70th week begins when -

27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator." Daniel 9:27

Has this scripture been fulfilled?

If so please show the scripture in the New Testament or a reference that shows this act of setting up an Abomination of Desolation.


JLB



JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

It baffles my mind how people can make some statements and put a scripture tag behind it, as if the scripture "tag" somehow validates what they have said.

The scripture accessed through the tag is usually intended to validate their opinion. Doesn't the relevant scripture pop up for you when you click or hover over the tag?

 

[Sinthesis]

Everlasting Righteousness will be brought in when all of the "unrighteous" are removed and the righteous will remain forever with everlasting bodies that will never die.

nor can they die anymore = Everlasting

Lawless will be removed!

Only the righteous will remain and they will never die. = Everlasting Righteousness.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:41-43

and again -

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36


JLB

That is one way of defining and applying 'everlasting righteousness'. Can you think of any other ways?

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry glory, I don't understand your reasoning.

There are scholars that have examined the book of Daniel next to the recorded history that has been uncovered by archeologists and they say that they believe that Daniel had to have been written after all those things already happened. They reasoning is that Daniel's prophecy is too accurate when compared to the written history. They are unbeliever's of coarse.

We know when Cyrus reigned, we know when Darius reigned, it's not in question by anyone even unbelievers.
So we know that the 69 weeks actually were 7 yrs. each totally 483 yrs. That is not in question.
So where in scripture are we allowed to make the last week, the 70th week extend out into some distant future? That is a corruption of the prophecy.

Deut. 31 and 32 - Moses' prophecy of these days.
Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.
Deu 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

verses 22-27 destruction and diaspora described

Deu 32:28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
Deu 32:29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
Deu 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Who are 'ye nations' goyim, gentiles, with His people, the Rock's people, Those who would except the Messiah both Jew and Gentile.

Rom 10:18 But I say,Ye Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

I explained the full extent of the 70th week back in post #107.

Then Daniel 9:26 says Messiah is cut off in the midst of week 70. (31AD)

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Your first paragraph about the scholars is only speculation with no actual proof. History does show us dates like when Cyrus and Darius reigned and we can also see the whole of the 69 weeks, but when it comes to the 70th Messiah was cut off in the midst of the week, meaning the week has not ended yet or scripture would have said Messiah is cut off at the end of the 70th week. Have all six major points of Daniel 9:24 been fulfilled yet, I truly believe they have not as transgressions still continue, even in those who call themselves a Christian. Sin is still running rampant. Has everyone made reconciliation yet? Has everlasting righteousness been brought in yet? Are all prophecies been sealed and finished? Is Christ sitting in the new Jerusalem with all the Bride? Something to think about.

 

[Deborah13]

I explained the full extent of the 70th week back in post #107.

Then Daniel 9:26 says Messiah is cut off in the midst of week 70. (31AD)

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Your first paragraph about the scholars is only speculation with no actual proof. History does show us dates like when Cyrus and Darius reigned and we can also see the whole of the 69 weeks, but when it comes to the 70th Messiah was cut off in the midst of the week, meaning the week has not ended yet or scripture would have said Messiah is cut off at the end of the 70th week. Have all six major points of Daniel 9:24 been fulfilled yet, I truly believe they have not as transgressions still continue, even in those who call themselves a Christian. Sin is still running rampant. Has everyone made reconciliation yet? Has everlasting righteousness been brought in yet? Are all prophecies been sealed and finished? Is Christ sitting in the new Jerusalem with all the Bride? Something to think about.

Yes, ALL of verse 24 has been fulfilled.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and He did.

Just one of your questions...
"Has everyone made reconciliation yet?"
That verse is about what Messiah would do, not what man would do. So the question is, did Messiah coming do this?
What about transgression, did He take care of that, yes He did. If not we are still in our sin.

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[for_his_glory]

The 70wks are quite logical if we can accept that they are about Daniel's people and city, instead of us.

Can you explain Dan 9:25-27 then because Jesus is included here so the 70 weeks go beyond Daniel's people and city

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, ALL of verse 24 has been fulfilled.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and He did.

Just one of your questions...
"Has everyone made reconciliation yet?"
That verse is about what Messiah would do, not what man would do. So the question is, did Messiah coming do this?
What about transgression, did He take care of that, yes He did. If not we are still in our sin.

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

I see all fulfillment being down when Christ returns and makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation as there is yet much more to be fulfilled in prophecy. Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70 weeks so when did the rest of the 70th weeks end?

 

[JLB]

I see all fulfillment being down when Christ returns and makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation as there is yet much more to be fulfilled in prophecy. Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70 weeks so when did the rest of the 70th weeks end?

 

[Deborah13]

I see all fulfillment being down when Christ returns and makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation as there is yet much more to be fulfilled in prophecy. Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70 weeks so when did the rest of the 70th weeks end?

Jesus preached to the Jews. Daniel's people. Stephan preached to the Jews he never went to the Gentile nations.
Remember when He said that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I believe it ended when Stephen was stoned.
The destruction of the city and the temple were already determined but it was until approx. mid 66-AD70 when it actually happened.
Interestingly enough, that's just right about 40 yrs. I believe it was a grace period for those to come who would, especially the older generation, the Lord is merciful. It appears to be rather like the 40yrs. in the wilderness before crossing the Jordon.

 

[ezrider]

Sin is still running rampant. Has everyone made reconciliation yet? Has everlasting righteousness been brought in yet? Are all prophecies been sealed and finished? Is Christ sitting in the new Jerusalem with all the Bride? Something to think about.

The Lord said through his prophets that HE would forgive them their iniquities and would remember their sins no more. It is the people who glory in sin. But what saith the scriptures, shall not GRACE abound the more? But from the standpoint of God, he declared an end of sin so that He could make reconciliation with his people. As it is written, God is a God of the living and not the dead (Matt 22:32); For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living (Rom 14:9).

Galatians 4 talks about the two Jerusalem's, which are an allegory for the two covenants. The new Covenant is of the Spirit. But I find it interesting that Paul states that the desolate (old covenant, those without a husband) have many more children than She (new Jerusalem) which has a Husband. Now that's something to think about. Just who are the people who have prophesied in is name and cast out demons in his name, and have done many great works in his name, but Jesus says he never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity.

I think as it pertains to this discussion about Daniel 9:24-27, the people of the prince who shall come, the Bride of Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem, it would probably be a good time to meditate on the parable of the marriage feast, and let the Spirit of Christ speak to your heart.

Matthew 22:1-14
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

He has called you to the marriage feast, he has given you the Spirit of Christ for a wedding Garment, but still you will not come.

A final parting thought. Do the people who believe that the 70 weeks are actually 490 years, and that somehow there is a 2000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week also insist that the creation account in the Book of Genesis is literally 7 consecutive 24 hour days?

 

[Sinthesis]

Can you explain Dan 9:25-27 then because Jesus is included here so the 70 weeks go beyond Daniel's people and city

Just because Jesus is included does not mean the 70wks go beyond Daniel's people and city. Context must be taken into account otherwise Gentiles would have no business appealing to Jesus.

Mat 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

Jesus was speaking in a limited context where His 70th week visitation was limited to the Jews so that only they would be guilty of rejecting Him, therefore only they could call that vengeance upon themselves. The scope of Jesus' ministry was laid out by Him in the following:

Luk 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 - To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.​

Notice these are all good things just like Dan 9:24, and that Jesus stops before getting to the vengeance and comfort of the rest of Isaiah 61-63 because the day of vengeance was left to the Father while the Holy Spirit would provide comfort in Jesus' absence. Once the good things promised the Jews were first offered to them in the 70wks, they could then be extended to the Gentiles.

Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 2:9 - Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of theJew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 - But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to theJew first, and also to the Gentile:​

The 70wks for the Jews are over. Any hypothetical 70th week for our world would still be going on, but as of now I don't see how the 70wks can be applied to us.

 

[JLB]

Jesus preached to the Jews. Daniel's people. Stephan preached to the Jews he never went to the Gentile nations.
Remember when He said that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I believe it ended when Stephen was stoned.
The destruction of the city and the temple were already determined but it was until approx. mid 66-AD70 when it actually happened.
Interestingly enough, that's just right about 40 yrs. I believe it was a grace period for those to come who would, especially the older generation, the Lord is merciful. It appears to be rather like the 40yrs. in the wilderness before crossing the Jordon.

Jesus is what made the Abrahamic Covenant available to the Gentiles.

as it is written -

"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.Genesis 17:4

and again -

1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. 4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law." 5 Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it: 6 "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles, Isaiah 42:1-6


God's intent and purpose in Christ was to create One New man, after the pattern of Abraham who is the father of both Jew and gentile, and is himself as it were both Jew and Gentile whose walked with God and obtained righteous by faith, which is to say He obeyed His Voice as well as kept His commandments His statutes, His commandments and His laws.

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:8-9


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Just because Jesus is included does not mean the 70wks go beyond Daniel's people and city. Context must be taken into account otherwise Gentiles would have no business appealing to Jesus.

Mat 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

Jesus was speaking in a limited context where His 70th week visitation was limited to the Jews so that only they would be guilty of rejecting Him, therefore only they could call that vengeance upon themselves. The scope of Jesus' ministry was laid out by Him in the following:

Luk 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 - To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.​

Notice these are all good things just like Dan 9:24, and that Jesus stops before getting to the vengeance and comfort of the rest of Isaiah 61-63 because the day of vengeance was left to the Father while the Holy Spirit would provide comfort in Jesus' absence. Once the good things promised the Jews were first offered to them in the 70wks, they could then be extended to the Gentiles.

Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 2:9 - Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of theJew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 - But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to theJew first, and also to the Gentile:​

The 70wks for the Jews are over. Any hypothetical 70th week for our world would still be going on, but as of now I don't see how the 70wks can be applied to us.

Was Jesus part of Daniel's people at that time the prophecy was given to Daniel, no as Jesus had not yet come. Are we the Gentile not grafted into the vine as we too were once lost sheep. It is when Christ returns and makes and end to all abominations that then all prophecy will be fulfilled. We are not Israel the nation, but part of Israel the man of God as Jesus is not coming back for a nation, but for His Bride whicn makes up Gods nation of people.

 

[Sinthesis]

Was Jesus part of Daniel's people at that time the prophecy was given to Daniel, no as Jesus had not yet come.

This is irrelevant to erroneously expanding the 70wks beyond the Jews. Jesus was always going to be the promised Jewish Messiah to Daniel's people and city of whom the 70wks point to and are about. Only after the 70th week was the gospel shared with the Gentiles.

Are we the Gentile not grafted into the vine as we too were once lost sheep.

Yet Gentiles were never lost sheep of Israel, rather Gentiles were sheep of another fold.

Jhn 10:16 - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.​

It is when Christ returns and makes and end to all abominations that then all prophecy will be fulfilled.

Perhaps, but it depends on the scope of your chosen definitions. Christ's return is not mentioned in Dan 9:24 because it is not part of the 70wks themselves. Once the Jewish leadership finally rejects Jesus' fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy through the murder of Jesus' disciple Stephan at the end of the 70wks, then the promised consequences play out to and within that generation. These consequences are not found within the 70wks proper because they result from rejecting the blessings offered Daniel's people and city, the Jews, throughout the full 70th week.

We are not Israel the nation, but part of Israel the man of God as Jesus is not coming back for a nation, but for His Bride whicn makes up Gods nation of people.

This statement of yours contradicts itself. We can only be God's people given faith in God. One nation in faith, not flesh. Jesus comes back for everyone, rescuing the righteous-in-Him, while those not in Him suffer a different fate. There is no scriptural reason to believe the return of Christ must happen within the 70wks no matter how they are defined.

 

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It baffles my mind how people can make some statements and put a scripture tag behind it, as if the scripture "tag" somehow validates what they have said.


Everlasting Righteousness will be brought in when all of the "unrighteous" are removed and the righteous will remain forever with everlasting bodies that will never die.

nor can they die anymore = Everlasting

Lawless will be removed!

Only the righteous will remain and they will never die. = Everlasting Righteousness.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:41-43

and again -

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36


JLB