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Defending the faith: A discussion of Catholic Doctrine

RudolfRed said:
You are 100% Nuts. We are not saved, period, end of discussion, thru the Roman Catholic Cult system of Fake Sacraments.

We are saved thru grace alone, thru faith alone, in the once and for all time completed work of Christ, ( in bearing our sins upon the cross, in dying upon the cross as our substitute for our sins, being resurrected, and ascended in glory back to the right hand of God the father, after establishing the new covenant in his blood and flesh sacrifice alone, at Pentecost, where the apostles were finally sent to preach the new covenant in Christ Jesus alone, ) as per Eph 2:8-10, etc.., in which Peter plays no role which he deserves to be elevated above anyone else, as the great commision applies equally to all of the apostles,

With none greater than the others, as all being mere servants of God in the form of the Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. It is all about the Glory of God, in Christ Jesus, and not Peter as a Faked Pope, Nor In The Faked Sacraments Of A Fake Roman Catholic Mother Of All Harlots Lie, With None Of It's Lying Claims Actually Going Back To Peter as per Gal 2:8

And Our Endurance To The End, Is Our Endurance In And Thru Faith, And Not Thru The Fake Sacraments Of The Fake Roman Catholic Cult.

Our Endurance Thru Faith As Contrasted By The Fake Sacraments Of The Fake Roman Catholic Cult.

And Yes, Just As Satan Misquote Scripture Or The Words Of God, At Eden, And In Tempting Christ, etc.., etc.., etc.., He Still Does So Today Even Thru The Lying Roman Catholic Cult -

Which Will At Times State Actual Statements From The Scriptures To Pretend To Have A High Christology, While Really Adding To, Or Taking Away From, Or Substituting In Place Of, And thus Stealthily Poisoning The Truth - Because Anti-Christ Means That Which Is Substituted For And Against Christ, And Against the Truths Of Christ And Christ Alone - Such As The Fake RCC Sacraments To Lie About The Meaning Of Enduring In Faith With The Lie Of Completing One's Faith Thru Fake Sacraments Which Falsely Add To One's False And Fake RCC Defined Anti-Salvation
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You crack me up! I love it!
Please one thing at a time these are large subjects

How does one put the n Christ?
Thanks
 
Sorry how does one put on Christ?

Btw you do know most Christians have always and most Christians still believe the way I do and not your 16 century novelties and fundamentalist tradition
 
jaybo said:
Regarding the OP subject -- defending the faith, a discussion of Catholic doctrine -- if this is in a protected space, how is it possible to make statements that disagree with some of the posts?
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Jaybo,
This is the Apologetics Forum.
Defending one's faith falls into apologetics.

It's a serious forum for serious discussion.
Scripture must be used for support of one's convictions.

Also, the thread must remain civil.
Another's denomination should not be demeaned and called nasty names. Although a person can certainly disagree with their doctrine.

A little of the above has been going on by a couple of members.

I hope it stops.
 
Paul Timothy said:
Everything you said was assumptive and filled with bias.
You come at it with the idea that that is what the text says.
But all it says is that Jesus was sent and He then sends the disciples.
Nothing in that verse about mission(other than being sent), power or authority.
These are additions to the text and as such are extra Biblical in nature.


This looks like sloppy reading of the text. Jesus is the means of reconciliation and the disciples have the ministry of reconciliation. One is the real thing and the other is a job to point to the real thing.

First verse is Jesus being the light of the world. Second verse in not the disciples only but all believers and is in the context of do not hide your light. It is an admonishment.

The first verse is God telling the crowd to listen to Jesus. The second verse is about church disciple.
How are these related?

The first verse is the disciples worshiping Jesus and some doubted. The second verse is the disciples being sent out. Nothing about authority in either verse.

First verse is Jesus healing the roof dude(first forgiving sins) showing His equality with God. Second verse is Jesus saying that sins remitted and retained by disciples. This one you get rather close.

First verse is Jesus explaining His identity(way,truth,life) to Thomas. Second verse is Paul telling Timothy how to behave.
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Please one thing at a time
 
Paul Timothy said:
I find it ludicrous that you claim that it is your priests who have the truth, and those who read the Bible -- God's word -- do not have the truth, then cite the Bible to prove your arguments.
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What are you talking about? Cutting-and-pasting my message is simply repeating what I wrote, and I do not disagree with what I wrote (obviously). I am not Catholic and don't have any priests to follow.
 
jaybo said:
What are you talking about? Cutting-and-pasting my message is simply repeating what I wrote, and I do not disagree with what I wrote (obviously). I am not Catholic and don't have any priests to follow.
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I did apologize for getting mixed up with who wrote what.
Sorry... did we not already hash this out?
I just got mixed up with different conversations.
 
RudolfRed said:
OK how about you lie? "The Dogma That Jesus Christ Is The Only Savior" Is Not The Real R.C.C. Dogma. You are clever liars, and devils, who merely pretend that is where you stand.

The best, and most effective lies are always built around the truth, or upon truth, which is then stealthily twisted and poisoned, thru the subterfuge of the Roman Catholic Church, to still try and pretend, for working for your father the devil, that you are still presenting the truth you never really had presented at all.

For example, you so state the lie that the dogma of the R.C.C. is that Jesus is the only Savior, while substituting a fake Jesus, thru other fake doctrines and dogma, such as 1) It was not the one and for all time completed sacrifice of Christ, because we must add all kinds of fake sacraments to complete, or build, or add to, to complete, blah blah blah blah, 2) where enduring to the end, for example against the false lying works and dogma of the R.C.C. leading back to point "1)" means enduring against a cult of lies like the R.C.C., rather than fall for their lies that one has to add to, and build upon a salvation work in progress, and 3) the R.C.C, lie that salvation is a works in progress to be built upon, rather than a work in endurance in faith, which they substitute fake sacraments for, when their clergy isn't to busy in homosexually molesting children, 4) etc.., etc.., etc..,

So no the R.C.C. does not preach a "Jesus Only" when they then qualify that with all of their poison and lies which then makes it anything but a true "Jesus Only" belief system and church, rather than a Blatant Antichrist Cult
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Please one at a time

Surprised by the truth!
Jesus is the only savior!

Matt 1:21
Matt 9:2
Lk 2:11
Lk 7:48
Jn 1:29
Jn 4:42
Jn 14:6
Acts 4:12
Acts 5:31
Acts 13:23

Catholic dogma!

91. The Son of God became man in order to redeem men.
92. Fallen man cannot redeem himself.
93. The God-Man Jesus Christ is a High Priest.
94. Christ offered Himself on the Cross as a true and proper sacrifice.
95. Christ by His Sacrifice on the Cross has ransomed us and reconciled us with God.
 
Paul Timothy said:
This is the mount of transfiguration. I see no reference to the temple in the whole verse.
Do you have a more specific reference.. or is this another typo?

First verse is about all 12 having thrones to judge the tribes(all 12 included, not exclusive at all)
Second verse is the saints judging the world... nothing even about the disciples(this is open to you and me) Peter is not mentioned at all.
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Matt 17:24-27
 
Randy said:
Are you sure? Isn't it salvation through the forgiveness of sins? In Christ there is no sin.
I put great weight on a personal relationship with Christ. Not ongoing sacraments. His blood was already shed on the cross. There is no ongoing sacrificial system. There is more depth shown than just faith such as obedience to Christ commands. "Loving your neighbor as yourself" Love is a fulfillment of all the law.
Acts 13 grace via the enabling of the Spirit according to the will of the Father. Not sacraments.
When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
John 6:37-39
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
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The sacrifice of Christ is eternal as the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice and Christ is an eternal priest heb 7:17
 
Paul Timothy said:
That was not clear in your previous post nor in this one.


Why?
Can not multiple copies of keys exist?
My wife and I both have keys to the house so we are both exclusive authorities?
Do you understand what exclusive means?

I see no evidence of your statement in Scripture.
Please show your references.
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We are taking about a kingdom not your house
King
Prime minister (keys)
Other ministers

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his office let another take.

If Judas had an office how much more peter
Reference Matt 23:1-13
This authority was given to Peter and the apostles and Christ still would say they must be obeyed
 
donadams said:
The sacrifice of Christ is eternal as the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice and Christ is an eternal priest heb 7:17
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And that act on the cross was already accomplished. The Spirit enables as those who listen and learn from the Father go to the Son. The Father is not handcuffed by sacraments. Such enabled through grace by faith receive Christ. As in saved by grace through faith. I have a relationship with Christ. The Spirit of Christ is in me. I know Him and He knows me. In Christ is NO sin. He is the only way to the Father not all that red tape you keep posting as a means of salvation as in the church. I am heavily in favor of stating the importance of that relationship with Christ as the only thing needed. Christ in us and that is received by faith in Him. As I stated there is more depth shown as obeying His commands to remain in Him. Loving your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to your neighbor and fulfills the law. In love the moral law of God is kept.

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
 
donadams said:
We are taking about a kingdom not your house
King
Prime minister (keys)
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This is your own personal interpretation. Or maybe the interpretation of someone who wants the power of the Prime Minister and so needs a justification for the power grab.
donadams said:
Other ministers

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his office let another take.

If Judas had an office how much more peter
Reference Matt 23:1-13
This authority was given to Peter and the apostles and Christ still would say they must be obeyed
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Where is this command from Christ for the rest of the Disciples to OBEY Peter?
And then how would Paul have the authority to challenge Peter on his bad behaviour?
Why was Paul not chastized for speaking back to Peter and calling him out?
 
RudolfRed said:
Yes, that's absolutely nuts, and 100% certifiable to think one needs a priest to be saved.

And please don't take our arguing personally. I'm a bit nuts. Maybe not a porkchop short of a mixed grill, but nuts just the same, and can get a bit crazy, like that puppy that gets his bone, and goes bonkers
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You like Saul

Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously with correct faith!

But was actually acting from spiritual pride, presumption, and arrogance!

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Then the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!
 
donadams said:
Please one at a time

Surprised by the truth!
Jesus is the only savior!

Matt 1:21
Matt 9:2
Lk 2:11
Lk 7:48
Jn 1:29
Jn 4:42
Jn 14:6
Acts 4:12
Acts 5:31
Acts 13:23

Catholic dogma!

91. The Son of God became man in order to redeem men.
92. Fallen man cannot redeem himself.
93. The God-Man Jesus Christ is a High Priest.
94. Christ offered Himself on the Cross as a true and proper sacrifice.
95. Christ by His Sacrifice on the Cross has ransomed us and reconciled us with God.
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Again, more quotes from Scripture. If, according to you, the Bible can only be interpreted correctly through you priests, why do you cite Bible verses? It's one or the other, Don.

Sola scriptura!
 
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