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Defending the faith: A discussion of Catholic Doctrine

donadams said:
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles
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Which is why we are guided by the writings of the New Testament through His apostles that Jesus personally discipled.



JLB
 
JLB said:
Yes indeed I oppose man's council and traditions, in favor of scripture.

When the scripture plainly states His mother, His brothers, and His sisters, then that tells me what I need to know.

You can believe whatever you choose.



JLB
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We have no authority to decide faith, doctrine or truth for ourselves by any means including scripture study!

Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!

Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5)

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth is divine and must be revealed by God thru Christ and His authoritative church!
 
Randy said:
There is no reason from the testimony (NT) not to assume the named brothers of the Lord and unnamed sisters of the Lord in His hometown of Nazareth along with Joseph and Mary are not also by Mary. Especially since when Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem to register for the census, as Joseph was of the house of David, no other children were noted with them. Nor when they fled into Egypt. We know and believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus and that's the importance. But there are better things to do then try to convince people it would be lawful, reasonable, and most likely the case that after Jesus's birth Mary had normal relations with her lawful husband. If the church states otherwise its not by any given scripture. A created tradition from man.
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We have no authority to decide faith, doctrine or truth for ourselves by any means including scripture study!

Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!

Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5)

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth is divine and must be revealed by God thru Christ and His authoritative church!

We can only accept or reject period! Thanks
 
donadams said:
We have no authority to decide faith, doctrine or truth for ourselves by any means including scripture study!
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But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27




JLB
 
JLB said:
The term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible.

I use Godhead.

Jesus was already God before Mary was ever born.

He created the heavens and the earth.

He spoke through the mouth of the prophets.

He appeared to Moses as I AM.




JLB
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So you have no scripture for your claim.

There are double standards going on here.
You demand scripture for the claims of others but can't provide it for your claims.
 
JLB said:
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27




JLB
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Classic taking a verse out of context to make it seem to say something it doesn't say.
 
donadams said:
We have no authority to decide faith, doctrine or truth for ourselves by any means including scripture study!

Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!

Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5)

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth is divine and must be revealed by God thru Christ and His authoritative church!

We can only accept or reject period! Thanks
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Did I ever claim to be the way? the truth? the life? Follow me?
I do agree "Jesus" is the way to the Father. I had the Spirit of Christ in me before I even had to consider deep theological concepts such as the trinity.
I do claim I know Him and He knows me.
I can search the scriptures to see if what one teaches is truth. I can consider any theological statement I want.


And have you not read? "If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you."

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
 
donadams said:
How can there be an eternal father without an eternal son?
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col 1:19 from the will of another - the only begotten LIKE TO LIKE Son or only begotten God.
Jesus never dies as the eternal life in Him is the Father. Likewise Jesus has authority to give such endless life for those in Him.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
 
donadams said:
It is the truth!
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5)
More to follow
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You are free to believe Mary remained a virgin. I do not believe that nor do I believe that declaration came from God.
 
Mungo said:
Good - you finally agree that Jesus is God.
Now follow the simple logic:
Jesus is God
Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Therefore Mary is the Mother of God.
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He didn't state He came from Mary.
I am the living bread, which came down out of heaven.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.

Reasoning would state Jesus pre-existed that body that Mary gave birth to. Mary is the mother of the Christ.
 
Randy said:
He didn't state He came from Mary.
I am the living bread, which came down out of heaven.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.

Reasoning would state Jesus pre-existed that body that Mary gave birth to. Mary is the mother of the Christ.
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Mt 1:16 - and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Mt 2:1 - Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea
Gal 4:4 - But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,

Jesus is Christ (Mt 1:16, Mk 8:29, John 20:31and numerous other places.)
 
JLB said:
Jesus was already God before Mary was ever born.

Do you understand this?





JLB
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Then you must declare Mary to be Mother of God!
Jesus is God:
Mary is His mother:
Mary is the mother of God!
 
JLB said:
False Dogma.

Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Christ.

Afterward she had sons and daughters with Joseph.


Since mother is used each time in the context, brother is plainly understood to mean son of my mother.

Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.”
But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Luke 8:19-21


Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?”
Matthew 13:55-56




JLB
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Only Christ is born of Mary according to scripture!

Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Only one son!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

Thee son of Mary! Singular!

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary…

Singular!
 
JLB said:
Which is why we are guided by the writings of the New Testament through His apostles that Jesus personally discipled.



JLB
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What about those the apostles discipled and sent to teach?
 
JLB said:
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27




JLB
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Apart from Christ and his church there is no anointing
Jn 15:1-5
 
donadams said:
Apart from Christ and his church there is no anointing
Jn 15:1-5
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But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27

This scripture refers to a Christian. John is encouraging Christians; people who are in Christ.

Where in this scripture does it mention being a part of a certain denomination to have an anointing?
 
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