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Defending the faith: A discussion of Catholic Doctrine
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Nothing here about the catholic church.
So He didn't come down from heaven? Is that your logic?
Only in Christ and his new covenant church Jn 15:1-5
The son has the same nature as the father
Do you reject the divinity of Christ or the trinity (one God theee persons)?
Then you are not Christian if you reject the teaching of Christ and his church
It’s in apostolic council
What the doctrine of Mary the mother of God? Lk 1:43
I don't reject any teaching of my Lord. In fact I follow Him. I have the witness of the Spirit. I have also loved, believed in, and prayed to Jesus as far back as my memory goes. My whole life. I know Him and He knows me. He is the head of the body of Christ. You I don't know.
She is the Mother of the Christ.
Yes the Son is all that the Father is because its the Fathers fullness that lives in Him. Col 1:19
The eternal life found in the Son is the Father.
As I stated I follow Jesus. The Father is the only begotten God.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Do you know Him?
What does it mean “know him”?
We need an apostle to care for our souls !
I can ask it real slow but not type it. Do..You... Know ..Him?
I live through Christ. I have the Spirit of Christ in me. He's got my soul covered.
Prayer
Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. May your will be done on earth as in heaven.
If one of the 12 were capable of hearing my prayers, I know Jesus does, then would they not state, "who are you?"
Jesus Christ is building His Church.
Jesus Christ doesnt build denominations or religions like Catholicism.
JLB
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When you say "He" - to whom are you referring.
I said that Mary is the mother of Jesus.
You said "Mary is the mother of the Christ. " as though Jesus is not the Christ. I showed you scripture states the Jesus is the Christ.
You said "Reasoning would state Jesus pre-existed that body that Mary gave birth to."
What reasoning would give you that conclusion?
Scripture says the angel of God said to Mary "you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus." (Lk 1:31)
The angel spoke in the future tense. Therefore Jesus did not pre-exist.
These verses plainly say --
His mother
His brothers
His sisters
The context being His mother and His brothers and sisters coming to see Him.
Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.”
But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Luke 8:19-21
Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?”
Matthew 13:55-56
Do you believe Jesus when He said My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it?
My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
JLB
Mungo
Member
That has zero relevance to the pint I made about your misuse of 1John2:27.
But since you insist on raising a point that has already been answered - her it is again.
According to Dave Armstrong (a Catholic apologist), a Protestant work The Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words defines adelphos as follows:
Adelphos: denotes a brother, or near kinsmen; in the plural, a community based on identity of origin or life. It is used of:
1. male, children of the same parents….
2. male descendant of the same parents, Acts 7:23,26; Hebrews 7:5
4. people of the same nationality, Acts 3:17,22; Romans 9:3…
5. any man or neighbor, Luke 10:29; Matthew 5:22, 7:3;
6. persons united by a common interest, Matthew 5:47
7. persons united by a common calling, Revelation 22:9
8. mankind, Matthew 25:40; Hebrews 2:17
Indeed even in today's culture there is a range of possibilities.
That there are different kinds of brothers (and sisters) - full blood brothers, half brothers, adoptive brothers. If a man and woman marry and both have children by a previous marriage they will be regarded as brothers and sisters even though they have no genetic relationship. The actual relationship of these “brothers” (& sisters) to Jesus cannot be established unless a genealogy is given, and it is not.
There is some positive indication in scripture that at least some of these brothers were not Mary's children.
Mark says that at the foot of the cross was “Mary the mother of the younger James and of Joses (Joseph), and Salome” This was obviously not Mary the mother of Jesus, so there is another Mary with sons called James and Joseph.
Matthew similarly says of the women at the foot of the cross “Among them were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph” (Mt 26:56)
Luke says that at the tomb were “Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James” (Lk 24:10)
So there was another Mary whose children were named James, Joses (Joseph) and Salome.
Therefore it is likely that the James, Joseph and Salome described as brothers/sister of Jesus were the sons/daughter of a different Mary.
John writes “Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala.” (Jn 19:25). Now this could mean that Jesus’ mother’s sister was there (whatever is meant by “sister”) and Mary the wife of Clopas or they were the same person, but either way there were at least three Mary’s at the cross – Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary of Magdalene. Now Mary the mother of James and Joseph could have been a fourth or she could have been Mary wife of Clopas. Either way Mary the mother of Jesus was not the mother of James and Joseph mentioned as Jesus’ brothers. And since they were listed first, neither was Simon and Judas, since if the were they would hardly have been listed after non-brothers.
The Church historian Eusebius quoting from Hegesippus (110-180 AD) writes
After the martyrdom of James and the conquest of Jerusalem which immediately followed, it is said that those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord that were still living came together from all directions with those that were related to the Lord according to the flesh (for the majority of them also were still alive) to take counsel as to who was worthy to succeed James. They all with one consent pronounced Symeon, the son of Clopas, of whom the Gospel also makes mention; to be worthy of the episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, as they say, of the Saviour. For Hegesippus records that Clopas was a brother of Joseph.
So Symeon (Simeon, Simon) was the cousin of Jesus, and Mary Clopas was therefore the sister-in-law of Mary the mother of Jesus. Again note the loose use of relationships. Mary Clopas is referred to as Mary’s “sister” in Jn 19:25 when she is actually her sister-in-law.
In the book of Jude he says “Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and brother of James” (Jude 1:1) So Jude (or Judas) is probably the brother of James the son of Clopas.
Then also Luke when listing the apostles says James, son of Alpheus. But the Aramaic Alpheus can be rendered in Greek as either Alpheus or Clopas. So again James, the “brother” of the Lord is probably the son of Clopas.
Contd.