So anytime I see World in the John 1 it means His elect.
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Did Jesus take on the sins of the whole world?
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Not necessarily. Look at the context
The whosoever must be qualified.Let me
When it says whosoever that just means the elect.
The word world must be qualified.
‘World’ is the Greek word “Kosmos” and it also means the inhabitants as well as ‘ornament’ or world as in globe or planet.
Take note of the two groups of people here:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Note “condemned ALREADY.”
God cannot and does not love the condemned.
The immutability of God cannot allow this. God loves and God hates. If He loves ‘you’ He will save’you.’ If God does not love ‘you’ He will not save you. God is following a preordained plan. He saves those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain before the foundation (creation) of the world. Also:
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This book is precreation and it’s typology is Christ Himself. We are hid in Him.
Why Did Jesus die? What did He do for those He died for? What was the result?
Why are you bothering her with such questions? You don't know? Wouldn't the result be our salvation?
The Fathers will. How "God" chose to forgive our sins.
Col 1:19-20
In him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
the ground work John the Baptist laid for Jesus as in to prepare the people for their Lord.
to give his people the knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins,
A light to the gentiles that Gods salvation (promises) may be offered to all people
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”— 14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
"made alive in the spirit" as I read
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”— 14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hi thank you for the response
Would you please give me a scriptural reference for "don't go to heaven " if you don't accept him as Lord?
Hi Randy,
I think what He was saying was, He did not speak to the Spirits in prison after the cross.
Maybe He is saying, that in the "Spirit" He spoke through Noah.
I Saw the point you were trying to make.
And it's still a good thought, however a question may be where is deliverence from the penalty of sin found, or where is simply deliverence found.
In that sense if one thinks symbolically of the ark as Christ the deliverence was found in the ark through the waters.
So if deliverence is found in Christ, one would have to come to believe that Jesus is who the father showed Him to be to be delivered.
So will Jesus's blood cover(or did He die for) those who did not accept Him as the son of the living God?
One could say Jesus died for the whole
but the whole world will not accept Him. [That excludes universalism.] Although that was not the intent of this post. 
More so did the world include the Gentiles- I had asked that question because of this passage: Galatians 4
3So also, when we were children, we were enslaved under the basic principles of the world. 4But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God.
So my thought was the Gentiles were not under the law. And this is specifically talking about the Covenant. So who is the "World" in St John 3:16.
So I thought did Jesus die for the Jews so that all - Jew and Gentiles, could have access to Him through faith, simply believing who He is by what He has done?
So the other question rose if Christ is the propitiation for the Gentiles also then How. How is He the appeasement for us to God?
Some say that because the Gentiles had a conscience that excuse or accused them that, that brought them under the law. Especially if you think about it as: they did what the law required.
Brb
I like this
Citrus: Jesus died for everyone.
RESPONSE: If that is true then why are not everyone saved?
Citrus: We all will face him one day.
RESPONSE: That's true.
Citrus: If you don't accept him as lord and savior you don't love him and don't go to heaven.
RESPONSE: People cannot 'accept Him' because of something called the BONDAGE of sin. It's a bondage, a slavery, and we cannot 'accept Him' because we are sinners and LOVE sin and HATE Christ.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jn 3:19–20.
Citrus: He is mercyful and gracious. He is also just.
RESPONSE: He is merciful to His people and just in Himself that He MUST punish sin and sinner. Tell me, when Jesus returns who are those people He destroys with the sword from His mouth, meaning His Word?
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Re 19:11.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Re 19:15.
atpollard
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Wow, that's a LOT of answers in 3 days.
First some humor (since anything important will already have been said):
Q. Did Jesus take on the sins of the whole world?
A. Every person in the whole world with exactly TWO exceptions:
Now for something completely different.
You asked THIS:
WORLD: Revelation 7:9-10 [NLT] After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands. And they were shouting with a great roar, "Salvation comes from our God who sits on the throne and from the Lamb!"
First some humor (since anything important will already have been said):
Q. Did Jesus take on the sins of the whole world?
A. Every person in the whole world with exactly TWO exceptions:
- the son of perdition (Judas) - John 17:12
- Esau (whom God hated) - Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13
Now for something completely different.
You asked THIS:
I offer, as a Biblical Definition, THIS:
WORLD: Revelation 7:9-10 [NLT] After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands. And they were shouting with a great roar, "Salvation comes from our God who sits on the throne and from the Lamb!"
QUOTE:Wow, that's a LOT of answers in 3 days.
First some humor (since anything important will already have been said):
Q. Did Jesus take on the sins of the whole world?
A. Every person in the whole world with exactly TWO exceptions:
- the son of perdition (Judas) - John 17:12
- Esau (whom God hated) - Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13
Now for something completely different.
You asked THIS:
I offer, as a Biblical Definition, THIS:
WORLD: Revelation 7:9-10 [NLT] After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands. And they were shouting with a great roar, "Salvation comes from our God who sits on the throne and from the Lamb!"
A. Every person in the whole world with exactly TWO exceptions:
- the son of perdition (Judas) - John 17:12
- Esau (whom God hated) - Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13
If not after the cross then "made alive in the spirit" is a false narrative as Jesus was alive and in the flesh not as one who would be made alive in the spirit and in the spirit preach to spirits in that state and not as one in the flesh. I state what I read and what I read is truth.Hi Randy,
I think what He was saying was, He did not speak to the Spirits in prison after the cross.
Maybe He is saying, that in the "Spirit" He spoke through Noah.
I Saw the point you were trying to make.
And it's still a good thought, however a question may be where is deliverence from the penalty of sin found, or where is simply deliverence found.
In that sense if one thinks symbolically of the ark as Christ the deliverence was found in the ark through the waters.
So if deliverence is found in Christ, one would have to come to believe that Jesus is who the father showed Him to be to be delivered.
So will Jesus's blood cover(or did He die for) those who did not accept Him as the son of the living God?
One could say Jesus died for the whole
More so did the world include the Gentiles- I had asked that question because of this passage: Galatians 4
3So also, when we were children, we were enslaved under the basic principles of the world. 4But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God.
So my thought was the Gentiles were not under the law. And this is specifically talking about the Covenant. So who is the "World" in St John 3:16.
So I thought did Jesus die for the Jews so that all - Jew and Gentiles, could have access to Him through faith, simply believing who He is by what He has done?
So the other question rose if Christ is the propitiation for the Gentiles also then How. How is He the appeasement for us to God?
Some say that because the Gentiles had a conscience that excuse or accused them that, that brought them under the law. Especially if you think about it as: they did what the law required.
Brb
In regard to the other matter. Gods goodwill was toward man as in regard to man its stated:
"There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
There may be no difference with regard to the inclusion of Gentiles into the Judaic Covenant but God does exercise “respect “ between His people and those not His people. Cain and Abel in their offerings is example.
atpollard
Member
- Scripture disagrees with you about Judas, but as a Baptist ... Individual Soul Liberty makes that YOUR problem and not mine. So have at it.
- I could not have made it any clearer that was strictly intended as a joke, so I will pray that God grants you a sense of humor.
atpollard
Member
Oh joy! ... humorless heretical teaching ... I can't wait.
[I bet it will be a WALL OF TEXT, too.]
Wisdom requires judging after the facts have been submitted not before the time.Oh joy! ... humorless heretical teaching ... I can't wait.
[I bet it will be a WALL OF TEXT, too.]
But we’ll see.