Futurism&TheTemple

[Hitch]

I believe that Christ is reigning currenty in the hearts of the believers through the spirit. In the 1000 year reign I believe he will be reigning literally in his remade human body.

Another interesting implication; Can you tell me specifically whch areas of life temporal and heavenly Christ is NOT controling?

Is Christ ,this afternoon, in his 'remade human body' ?

 

[thightower]

Another interesting implication; Can you tell me specifically whch areas of life temporal and heavenly Christ is NOT controling?

Is Christ ,this afternoon, in his 'remade human body' ?

I believe Christ is in control of every aspect of our life, whether we are aware or not. And of couse he isn't in his remade body, he is still in heaven with sicle in hand waiting for the harvest of the saints. My point was he will be phisically and literaly on this earth.

 

[thightower]

hmm hardly. they are teaching after he comes and does signs and wonders. jesus did signs and wonders.

raising the dead. that was a sign. healing the sick that is a sign.

so annias didnt see jesus coming in the clouds? if every eye will see . how then will they if the armies of the enemies of jerusalem attack isreal on horseback?

if every eye sees then you have a problem. that connotates no sinner saved alive.

My question to this if Jesus comes to restore Israel, then who comes to save Israel at the end of the battle of armeggedon. And the way I see it, if you see Jesus coming in the clouds, A-you have been very lucky to survive B-you have missed the call of Christ to meet him in the air.

 

[jasoncran]

My question to this if Jesus comes to restore Israel, then who comes to save Israel at the end of the battle of armeggedon. And the way I see it, if you see Jesus coming in the clouds, A-you have been very lucky to survive B-you have missed the call of Christ to meet him in the air.

show me where in the tanach it says that? if jesus said that and implied that why did he say he didnt know? surely if the tanach mentioned that surely the God who told zechariah to pen that or other prophet he would have told the discpiles that.

so how did annias not see him coming?

did you ever think ad 70 and matthew 24, and luke and some of revalation for the jews to warn them of the judgement and to flee it and if they didnt die in unbelief? i do.

so the unjudged dead can see the living? they are in the grave and yet aware?

im not a full preterist. the gentile world and the whole world hasnt been judged. i see the rapture as ressurection. the removal of the saints then the end.i believe that theres a raising of the dead with the judgement of sinners.

the question to paul wasnt has jesus come but rather has the ressurection occured or is there one. that is the question. he starts one corithians with if there is no ressurection of christ our faith is in vain. for he didnt die and raise neither shall we then goes on to say as he was risen from the dead so shall we be.

back at you.

when will this final ressurection of the dead saints in the trib or millenium be?

 

[jasoncran]

so when YHWH said to moses in the book of exodus. for i have heard the cries of my people and have come down to see..

did he not do that or is that a figure of speech?

and YHWH said that from a burning bush. ever heard of anthromorphism? i have and even the futurist chaplain freind i have would agree with that.

 

[thightower]

show me where in the tanach it says that? if jesus said that and implied that why did he say he didnt know? surely if the tanach mentioned that surely the God who told zechariah to pen that or other prophet he would have told the discpiles that.

so how did annias not see him coming?

did you ever think ad 70 and matthew 24, and luke and some of revalation for the jews to warn them of the judgement and to flee it and if they didnt die in unbelief? i do.

so the unjudged dead can see the living? they are in the grave and yet aware?

im not a full preterist. the gentile world and the whole world hasnt been judged. i see the rapture as ressurection. the removal of the saints then the end.i believe that theres a raising of the dead with the judgement of sinners.

the question to paul wasnt has jesus come but rather has the ressurection occured or is there one. that is the question. he starts one corithians with if there is no ressurection of christ our faith is in vain. for he didnt die and raise neither shall we then goes on to say as he was risen from the dead so shall we be.

back at you.

when will this final ressurection of the dead saints in the trib or millenium be?

I believe the final resurection will be between the trib and the millenium. And i think our difference i opinion is you have been brought up in the traditional jewish faith and i have been brought up in christianity,

 

[thightower]

so when YHWH said to moses in the book of exodus. for i have heard the cries of my people and have come down to see..

did he not do that or is that a figure of speech?

and YHWH said that from a burning bush. ever heard of anthromorphism? i have and even the futurist chaplain freind i have would agree with that.

I believe that was a literal event when the people of Israel was held captive in Egypt.

 

[Hitch]

I believe Christ is in control of every aspect of our life, whether we are aware or not. And of couse he isn't in his remade body, he is still in heaven with sicle in hand waiting for the harvest of the saints. My point was he will be phisically and literaly on this earth.

So you're saying Christ did NOT bodily ascend into heaven?

What advantage is there to Christ to be on earth physically?

Is it better for the growth of the kingdom that Christ be physically present on earth?

If so how?

If not, Why then would this be desirable?

 

[Hitch]

I believe the final resurection will be between the trib and the millenium. And i think our difference i opinion is you have been brought up in the traditional jewish faith and i have been brought up in christianity,

So much for those clods who die during the thousand years...2

 

[jasoncran]

I believe the final resurection will be between the trib and the millenium. And i think our difference i opinion is you have been brought up in the traditional jewish faith and i have been brought up in christianity,

SIR, i wasnt raised in the temple.

im hebrew by surname. my DAD and his cousins and siblings were. but neither of us cranmans that are of him did go to the temple.

dad seldom talked about judiasm with us and seldom does. what i know is from either going to chabad. talking to an isreali jew. reading the tanach. or others here who know more then me. two persons that arent futurist got me into chabad. one is vic(hitch and reba know him and his stance) and stovebolts. the later is friend and i know him outside the forum.

finally the LORD told me to look into isreal one day and even teach it in church. but one thing led to another im not a futurist. THE lord gave me a love for the tanach. most gentiles say read JOHN. God said NO, read genesis as you are a JEW, YOU need to know your ROOTS. so i did and i saw JESUS all in GENESIS.

now then are you going to look for Jesus when he visits EGYPT?
Isiah 19:1

The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

well when will this happen?

 

[thightower]

So you're saying Christ did NOT bodily ascend into heaven?

What advantage is there to Christ to be on earth physically?

Is it better for the growth of the kingdom that Christ be physically present on earth?

If so how?

If not, Why then would this be desirable?

Yes, he ascended into heaven to the right hand of the father.

If Christ was here physically, his kingdom will replace our governments on earth.

Yes it would be, there would be no question for he will be our King, he will rule over all the nations aof the earth.

 

[thightower]

SIR, i wasnt raised in the temple.

im hebrew by surname. my DAD and his cousins and siblings were. but neither of us cranmans that are of him did go to the temple.

dad seldom talked about judiasm with us and seldom does. what i know is from either going to chabad. talking to an isreali jew. reading the tanach. or others here who know more then me. two persons that arent futurist got me into chabad. one is vic(hitch and reba know him and his stance) and stovebolts. the later is friend and i know him outside the forum.

finally the LORD told me to look into isreal one day and even teach it in church. but one thing led to another im not a futurist. THE lord gave me a love for the tanach. most gentiles say read JOHN. God said NO, read genesis as you are a JEW, YOU need to know your ROOTS. so i did and i saw JESUS all in GENESIS.

now then are you going to look for Jesus when he visits EGYPT?
Isiah 19:1


well when will this happen?

The entire bible points to Jesus, have you ever read Isaiah 53, it points directlu to Jesus.
I believe there is a lot of isaiah that will come to pass after the second coming of Jesus. I read that as a literal passage of Jesus bring judgement on egypt.

 

[jasoncran]

The entire bible points to Jesus, have you ever read Isaiah 53, it points directlu to Jesus.
I believe there is a lot of isaiah that will come to pass after the second coming of Jesus. I read that as a literal passage of Jesus bring judgement on egypt.

ok then when did that happen? surely it would been noticed if it was JESUS literally on a cloud purging egypt of her idols. that would have been when to you?

yes i have read isiah 53. "whom hath believed the report of the Lord?"

 

[thightower]

ok then when did that happen? surely it would been noticed if it was JESUS literally on a cloud purging egypt of her idols. that would have been when to you?

yes i have read isiah 53. "whom hath believed the report of the Lord?"

Hasn't happened yet. It is a event in the future, a prophecy of Isaiah. As in Isaiah

63 Who is this who comes from Edom,
With garments of glowing colors from Bozrah,
This One who is majestic in His apparel,
Marching in the greatness of His strength?
“It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.â€
2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like the one who treads in the wine press?
3 “I have trodden the wine trough alone,
And from the peoples there was no man with Me.
I also trod them in My anger
And trampled them in My wrath;
And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments,
And I stained all My raiment.
4 “For the day of vengeance was in My heart,
And My year of redemption has come.

 

[Hitch]

Yes, he ascended into heaven to the right hand of the father.

Then today he is in his 'remade human body' yes?

If Christ was here physically, his kingdom will replace our governments on earth.

Paul defines the kindom as righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Is the kingdom Paul spoke of the kingdom Moses and the Propehts saw? Why is your defintion different from Paul's ?

Yes it would be, there would be no question for he will be our King, he will rule over all the nations aof the earth.

I already asked what there is in heaven and earth that Chirst is NOT reigning over currently and you didnt come up with anything. Care to try again ?

Are you aware that Christ told it is to our advantage that he NOT be on earth ?

 

[jasoncran]

Hasn't happened yet. It is a event in the future, a prophecy of Isaiah. As in Isaiah

63 Who is this who comes from Edom,
With garments of glowing colors from Bozrah,
This One who is majestic in His apparel,
Marching in the greatness of His strength?
“It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.â€
2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like the one who treads in the wine press?
3 “I have trodden the wine trough alone,
And from the peoples there was no man with Me.
I also trod them in My anger
And trampled them in My wrath;
And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments,
And I stained all My raiment.
4 “For the day of vengeance was in My heart,
And My year of redemption has come.

ok so jesus is going to visit the earth from there? i thought he would go to isreal and you are wrong.

let see what chabad.org says and then i will post some facts on this from adam clarke.

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15950/showrashi/true

he says its mainly about the time of the diaspora. as you may not have known in egypt there was a small third temple built. its called the elphatine temple.

rashi alludes to it.

http://studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=isa&chapter=019

similiar as well.

the tanach was put together in egypt not isreal in koine greek. we call it the the septugaint lxx.

Jewish presence
The Elephantine papyri are caches of legal documents and letters written in Aramaic, which document a community of Jewish soldiers, with perhaps an admixture of Samaritans, stationed here during the Persian occupation of Egypt.[3] They maintained their own temple (also see House of Yahweh), evincing polytheistic beliefs, which functioned alongside that of Khnum,.[4] The association of the God of Israel with Khnum, a Ram-headed deity, is reminiscent of the blowing the Ram horn at Rosh Hashanah.
The Jewish community at Elephantine was probably founded as a military installation circa 650 BC during Manasseh's reign, to assist Pharaoh Psammetichus I in his Nubian campaign (See Investigating the Origin of the Ancient Jewish Community at Elephantine: A Review[1]. ) The documents cover the period 495 to 399 BC

from wikipedia.

 

[jasoncran]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri

it seems this was to them jews that were there and in sin. not just egypt.

can say for sure but your idea of yet to come is anywise not fully supportable to say the least.

 

[thightower]

Then today he is in his 'remade human body' yes? Paul defines the kindom as righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Is the kingdom Paul spoke of the kingdom Moses and the Propehts saw? Why is your defintion different from Paul's ? I already asked what there is in heaven and earth that Chirst is NOT reigning over currently and you didnt come up with anything. Care to try again ?

Are you aware that Christ told it is to our advantage that he NOT be on earth ?

I have already said that Jesus is in contol of every aspect of this world. I believe the kingdom moses and the prophets saw was the one to come. Besides if the earth you want is the one we are in where the devil has dominion, I want nothing to do with it.

 

[thightower]

I have been taught to study the bible as a whole. When studying a verse to take into context of the entire bible. I try to discern all teaching and put it up against the word of God. Every since I joined this forum, I have done nothing but defend the faith i have in the Lord Jesus Christ. Sounds like I joined the wrong forum.

 

[Hitch]

I have already said that Jesus is in contol of every aspect of this world. I believe the kingdom moses and the prophets saw was the one to come. Besides if the earth you want is the one we are in where the devil has dominion, I want nothing to do with it.

I have already said that Jesus is in contol of every aspect of this world

Besides if the earth you want is the one we are in where the devil has dominion,

You need to make up your mind .


I believe the kingdom moses and the prophets saw was the one to come

Then what is Christ referencing here;

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the
kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.