He got charged for his own sin.
"Because thou hast...eaten of the tree...".
By that reasoning then, the women are innocent.
You are, but just don't realize it.
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GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL
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"Because thou hast...eaten of the tree...".
When you decide to seek God, He will be there for you.
God did not charge Adam with the sin of Eve, but forgave both of them as covering their shame with coats of animal skin being that of the first blood sacrifice for sin as Jesus was the last blood sacrifice for all our sins. None of us inherited Adam's sin nor do we have a sin nature like we are born with one, but all have that nature/temptation to sin since it was introduced into the world through Adam and Eve falling for that temptation.
I would like to add the below to what you have said.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
By what you say here it makes it sound like no one has ever sought the Lord and we were all created sinful, which is not true as what God created is perfect, but by one man, Adam, sin entered into the world bringing temptation to everyone. Man has walked in darkness until light has come into the world, but yet many, not all, would rather love darkness then the light of Christ that brings to them eternal life with He and the Father, John 1:1-14.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
No one is righteous of themself, but only made righteous by that of God's righteousness, Romans 5:1-11.
You missed the post where I submitted Rev. 13:8.
A lamb was sacrificed which allowed a Righteous God to create an unrighteous man.
But I don't think you understand that.
You ignore the Scripture to hold on to your pet theories.
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. Gen. 3:17–23.
And the woman received her punishment for her disobedience:
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen. 3:16.
Sin brings sorrow.
I posted the Scripture that proves NO ONE SEEKS GOD but you reject the Word of Truth to hold to your error.
AGAIN:
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Gen. 3:17–19.
Adam was punished still even though God performed a sacrifice for their sin.
NO ONE SEEKS GOD (or don't you accept and receive the Word of God as foundation for our beliefs?)
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:10–11.
And
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.
The words of Jesus Christ.
Do you accept His Word as true? And will you allow it to determine your belief system on this question?
jeremiah1five , you didn’t address this post: https://christianforums.net/threads/god-created-man-adam-sinful.97670/page-3#post-1777815
You're telling people that because God created Adam Short of his glory that Adam is a sinner, or that God created him a sinner. The scriptures teach us that the wages of sin is death, so sin causes death. Now I agree as the scripture say, that God will give his glory to no one, but that means all creation falls short of Gods glory, which means even the angels fall short of Gods glory, because as the scriptures show us God gives his glory to no one. No one is equal to God even corcerning his glory. You're saying because God created Adam short of his glory, to you that means that God created Adam a sinner so it looks to me you're saying sin and death will always exist. Because you teach people that because someone is short of his glory they are sinners or sinful people, but as I said, creation will always be short of God's glory since as the scriptures say God will give his glory to no one. So because you say it's being short of God's glory is what makes people sinners or sinful you are teaching sin and death will always exist, because as the scriptures teach us the wages of sin is death, so if a person will always be short of Gods glory there will always will be sinners therefore always be sin which means there will always be death. So if you're a sinner you're going to die. You seem to me to have gotten yourself backed in a corner and the only way you can remedy this situation that you have put yourself in, seems to me is that you have to go against what you have been saying and begin teaching, that being short of Gods glory doesn't make a person a sinner or sinful because according to you having Gods glory is what makes a person sinless, but as you said the scriptures say that God will give his glory to no one. So how could anyone be sinless if the only way to be sinless is to have God's glory. So how are sin and death going to be done away with, because all creation is short of Gods glory so that makes everyone sinners. Like you said the scriptures say and I agree, that God will give his glory to no one. So everyone, according to what you're teaching because people fall short of God's glory, so according to how you seem to be teaching, no one will ever get eternal life because there will always be sin therefore always be death since as the scriptures teach us the wages of sin is death, and the scriptures also teach that God will give his glory to no one. I don't agree with you that because Adam falls short of Gods glory that means that God created Adam a sinner or sinful.
Romans 5:12 does refer back to the forbidden tree, because Romans 5:12 shows us that it's sin that produces death. So Romans 5:12 refers to death as the consequence of sin. It's at Genesis 2:16, 17 that says, it's the act of disobeying the command concerning the forbidden tree that Adam would die, and since Genesis 3:17-19 shows that the death sentence was given to Adam because of his disobedience to the command concerning the forbidden tree, Romans 5:12 is referring back to the forbidden tree. You will find nothing written in scripture that says death came into existence except for the fact that Adam was disobedient to the command concerning the forbidden tree. You saying God created Adam short of his glory is the reason why Adam is a sinner or sinful and that Adam would have died anyway, is just talk, that's not stated anywhere in scripture.
God created Elect angels and sinful angels. Elect angels maintained their sinless integrity by the power of God's Righteousness and the sinful angels sinned. This was a runner-up to the creation of Adam who was not holy. God cannot transfer nor reduplicate His Nature in dirt.
The image of God is Christ. THAT'S WHO was created in His image, and all the new, born again believers who although not holy themselves await a new body that would complete the image God ordained for His people. Adam was dirt. There's NOTHING Deific about dirt. It is natural, God is supernatural. It is earthy, God is from heaven. Created matter is not holy, it falls short of the glory of God. Only the Son can stand before a Holy God because the Son is Holy. Adam was not created holy. If he was, then he would also need to possess omniscience, omnipotent, all-wisdom, omnipresence and all the other deific nature and attributes of God or he would fall short of God's glory. You get it? There is ONLY ONE GOD, not two (Adam). Do you see Adam's lack? He sinned. SIN COMES FROM SINNER, sin does not come from holy.
Are you even trying to understand my post?
Here, on 'conflating Moses' Law:
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression. Rom. 5:14.
It doesn't say "death reigned from Adam and his disobedience to Moses." It says from man to man who are named Adam and Moses. And death is sin and sin is death.
And this, too:
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom. 8:20–23.
There's a lot here. The creature was made (created) subject to vanity, not willingly but by God for His own purpose, if you will. BUT the creature (Adam) shall be delivered from that bondage of corruption when He calls His Elect people throughout history and finally creates them a NEW BODY in the twinkle twinkle of an eye (still future) THAT NEW PERSON IN CHRIST IS THE IMAGE OF GOD that He ordained when He created the man (Adam). He looked forward to that NEW CREATION in Christ when it says He created man in His image. Dirt can never behold the true image of God except in its trichotomy (body, soul, human spirit - NOT Holy Spirit, but human spirit, that attribute that after salvation allows us born again believers to process spiritual phenomenon and communicate with God WHO IS SPIRIT. Sure, God can communicate with man any way He wants but these truths are in Scripture and we are commanded to searech them out, to ask, seek, and knock.
"For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now..." Rom. 8:22.
It (creation and creature), groans and travails in pain together because of the law of entrophy. This basically means there is NOTHING IN CREATION THAT IS ETERNAL, only God is Eternal. Everything breaks down into chaos and degeneration. Even man (Adam). He wasn't holy, he was created sin-ful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark."
What is that 'mark' Adam missed?
The glory of God (or the glory that is God.)
Are you getting it now?
Yes, I know that scripture, but the way you are presenting it would mean no one, including you and I, never sought after God. Scripture also says seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened unto you,
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
The reason it says no one seeks God is that no man can come to Jesus, except the Father which hath sent Jesus draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day, John 6:44
First off Christ was not created, but has always been as God has always been with no beginning nor ending. What you say here contradicts the scriptures about man being created in the image of God and Jesus.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Who do you suppose the "our" is in that verse if not being Jesus?
Adam was not punished, but received the consequences for being disobedient to God's command.
I believe all that Jesus said.
I believe that the lovers of evil hate God.
I believe that some grow weary of their love for evil and turn from their sin and unto God.
I rejoice that things have changed since David wrote in his Psalm saying that none seek after God.
I am certainly glad that David, and I, sought God.
God didn't have to force me to seek Him.
That is the gist of our exchange isn't it?
That God forces men to repent and turn to Him?
The scripture at Romans 5:12 says, "That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned. The scriptures that show how Adam would receive death is at Genesis 2:16,17 which says, "Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” So Genesis 2:16,17 teach us that Adam would die if he disobeyed this command when told not eat from this forbidden tree. Genesis 3:17-19 shows that Adam was told he would die because he disobeyed the command stated at Genesis 2:16,17. Because of the sin of disobedience when Adam and Eve had children they passed sin and death on to their offspring(children).
Romans 5:12 states that “through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.” (1John 1:8-10.) Some have explained this as meaning that all of Adam’s future offspring shared in Adam’s initial act of sin because, as their family head, he represented them and thereby made them, in effect, participants with him in his sin. The apostle, however, speaks of death as ‘spreading’ to all men, which implies a progressive rather than a simultaneous effect on Adam’s descendants.
Also, the apostle goes on to speak of death as ruling as king “from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam."(Romans 5:14) Adam’s sin is rightly called a “transgression” since it was an overstepping of a stated law, an express command of God to him. Also, when Adam sinned, it was of his own free choice, as a perfect human who was free from disabilities. Clearly, his offspring have never enjoyed that state of perfection. So, these factors seem out of harmony with the view that ‘when Adam sinned, all of his as yet unborn descendants sinned with him.’ For all of Adam’s descendants to be held accountable as participants in Adam’s personal sin would require some expression of "will" on their part as to having him as their family head. Yet none of them in reality willed to be born of him, their birth into the Adamic line resulting from the fleshly will of their parents.(John 1:13)
The evidence, then, points to a passing on of sin from Adam to succeeding generations as a result of the recognized law of heredity. This is evidently what Psalms 51:5 refers to, when it says, “With error I was brought forth with birth pains, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Sin, along with its consequences, entered and spread to all the human race not merely because Adam was the family head of the race but because he, not Eve, was its progenitor, or human life source. From him, as well as from Eve, his offspring would inescapably inherit not merely physical characteristics but also personality traits, including the inclination toward sin.(1Corinthians 15:22, 48, 49)
As far as Adams and Eve descendants being born in sin, obviously Jesus Christ parents Joseph and Mary were born in sin. So because Mary was a descendant of the sinner Adam, she herself was imperfect and sinful. The question some people raise is how Jesus, Mary’s “firstborn” (Luke 2:7), could be perfect and free from sin in his physical organism. While modern geneticists have learned much about laws of heredity and about dominant and recessive characteristics, they have had no experience in learning the results of uniting perfection with imperfection, as was the case with Jesus’ conception. Whatever the case, it was the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time that guaranteed the success of God’s purpose. As the angel Gabriel explained to Mary, “power of the Most High” overshadowed her so that what was born was holy, God’s Son. God’s holy spirit formed, as it were, a protective wall so that no imperfection or hurtful force could damage, or blemish, the developing embryo, from conception onward.(Luke 1:35)
QUOTE: Yes, I know that scripture, but the way you are presenting it would mean no one, including you and I, never sought after God. Scripture also says seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened unto you,
RESPONSE: The Scripture, the Word of God was written by believers in Covenant with God TO and FOR other believers in Covenant with God.
The Old Testament, the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets were written by believers in Covenant with God to Israel (believers in Covenant with God.) It was NOT written to the Gentiles who were OUTSIDE the Covenant with God (except certain converts to the Judaic religion (like Ruth or Hagar, or Rahab to name a couple.)
The New Testament such as the Gospels were written by believers in Covenant with God TO and FOR other believers in Covenant with God. The Epistles were written by believers in Covenant with God to the various CHURCHES (and one has to be saved and in Covenant with God) throughout the various locations where churches were founded. Each Epistle was addressed to believers.
Examples:
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ Rom. 1:7.
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints 1 Cor. 1:2.
And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: Gal. 1:2.
PAUL, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus,
Eph. 1:1.
PAUL and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi Php. 1:1.
Etc.
The Pearl, the Holy Word of God is NEVER addressed to the unholy at Corinth, or the world at Ephesus etc. The Lord does not cast His Pearl, of which the Word of God is, to swine.
And the ask, seek, and knock is written to believers. Only God gives them leave to do that. Read it in that context in which it was meant. Christianity is completed Judaism.