God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

[Hopeful]

Agreed.
IOW, the sinful nature is what makes the physical body sin.

I can agree with that synopsis.
Thank God we get a divine nature at our conversion.

Since the spirit affects the soul, this would also include thoughts that could be sinful.

Be careful to separate temptations from sinful actions.
If we dwell on the sinful it will turn into sinful acts.
Thank God we can resist the devil and he will flee from us. (James 4:7)

I mean, that the spirit would be helpful to us in NOT having sinful thoughts - whatever they might be.
The spirit has a good effect on our soul part.

The Holy Spirit will enable us to put away sin causing temptations.
He has helped me invent mind games that are complicated enough to distract me from temptations.

That's not my source...
But after I've tried a few different versions and am not satisfied,
I do go to commentaries. Of course each has its own idea so they must be used carefully.
I find them helpful at time - and at times they sound like mumbo jumbo (like in this case).

OK.
I try not to use anyone else's thoughts on a subject, as you know, I don't commit sin and I can't tell if the commentors believe the same thing.
I mean, what is a non-sinner going to learn from someone who hates God?

YOUR commentary is a theme that runs throughout the NT.

Thank God for His commentaries.

 

[Robert Pate]

I can agree with that synopsis.
Thank God we get a divine nature at our conversion.

Be careful to separate temptations from sinful actions.
If we dwell on the sinful it will turn into sinful acts.
Thank God we can resist the devil and he will flee from us. (James 4:7)

The Holy Spirit will enable us to put away sin causing temptations.
He has helped me invent mind games that are complicated enough to distract me from temptations.

OK.
I try not to use anyone else's thoughts on a subject, as you know, I don't commit sin and I can't tell if the commentors believe the same thing.
I mean, what is a non-sinner going to learn from someone who hates God?

Thank God for His commentaries.

I noticed in your post that you said, "I don't commit sin" and that you are a "non-sinner". If that is what you believe you did not get it out of the Bible. Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. One of you is not telling the truth, is it you or is it Paul?

 

[Hopeful]

I noticed in your post that you said, "I don't commit sin" and that you are a "non-sinner". If that is what you believe you did not get it out of the Bible. Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. One of you is not telling the truth, is it you or is it Paul?

Paul's Rom 3 words were an attempt to make the Jews see that even with the Law they were still as unrighteous as any Gentile.
But he concluded his thoughts with..."But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:" (Rom 3:21-22)
This written by the same Paul that wrote 1 Cor 15:34..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."
And Rom 6:7..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
And Rom Rom 6:18..."Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
And Rom 6:22..."But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."
And 2 Tim 2:19..."Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Paul and I were both telling the truth.
His truth was of the OT believers...and unbelievers even today.
My truth of the NT believers.

 

[Robert Pate]

Paul's Rom 3 words were an attempt to make the Jews see that even with the Law they were still as unrighteous as any Gentile.
But he concluded his thoughts with..."But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:" (Rom 3:21-22)
This written by the same Paul that wrote 1 Cor 15:34..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."
And Rom 6:7..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
And Rom Rom 6:18..."Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
And Rom 6:22..."But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."
And 2 Tim 2:19..."Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Paul and I were both telling the truth.
His truth was of the OT believers...and unbelievers even today.
My truth of the NT believers.

Romans chapter 3 was not directed to Old Testament believers. It was directed to New Testament Christians in Rome, Romans 1:7-8.

I believe that you are confusing the spiritual position of a Christian with the physical position of a Christian.

Spiritually, We are perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

Physically, We are the chief of sinners, 1 Timothy 1:15.

As long as you are still in your unredeemed Adamic body Romans 8:23, you are a sinner. When you tell people that you don't sin you are deceiving yourself, 1 John 1:8.

 

[Hopeful]

Romans chapter 3 was not directed to Old Testament believers. It was directed to New Testament Christians in Rome, Romans 1:7-8.

Don't you believe there were some Jews among those NT Christians?
That point aside, Paul tried to lay out the groundwork of why Christ was better than the Law for believers.
One point was that the Law didn't make the Jews any better than any Gentile.
They were all under sin.
The Jews thought trying to follow the Law was enough to attain salvation.
Whether or not Paul was addressing Jews or just talking about the Jews should not be our concern.

I believe that you are confusing the spiritual position of a Christian with the physical position of a Christian.

I see no difference.
We can't be in two places at once.

Spiritually, We are perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

Amen to that, and, Thanks be to God !

Physically, We are the chief of sinners, 1 Timothy 1:15.

Not true.
We are reborn from God's seed...like Jesus was.
Everything that applied to Jesus should now apply to us.
We should be as holy and pleasing to God as His Son was.

As long as you are still in your unredeemed Adamic body Romans 8:23, you are a sinner. When you tell people that you don't sin you are deceiving yourself, 1 John 1:8.

There is the rub.
According to Rom 6:6, my Adamic body was destroyed.
I am a new creature now, and have the divine nature of my Father.
"Old things have passed away, behold all things are made new" ! (2 Cor 5:17)

 

[brightfame52]

Salvation is limited to, and promised to only a certain people, Gods Elect, sometimes called Israel, not as in Israel the ethnic nation, but as in Israel the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation:
ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel is a specific people Jesus came to save by and through His Offering Himself a Sacrifice Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[Hopeful]

Salvation is limited to, and promised to only a certain people, Gods Elect, sometimes called Israel, not as in Israel the ethnic nation, but as in Israel the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation:
ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel is a specific people Jesus came to save by and through His Offering Himself a Sacrifice Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

I thank God for allowing me to elect to be part of the Israel He has freed from sin.

 

[Robert Pate]

Don't you believe there were some Jews among those NT Christians?
That point aside, Paul tried to lay out the groundwork of why Christ was better than the Law for believers.
One point was that the Law didn't make the Jews any better than any Gentile.
They were all under sin.
The Jews thought trying to follow the Law was enough to attain salvation.
Whether or not Paul was addressing Jews or just talking about the Jews should not be our concern.

I see no difference.
We can't be in two places at once.

Amen to that, and, Thanks be to God !

Not true.
We are reborn from God's seed...like Jesus was.
Everything that applied to Jesus should now apply to us.
We should be as holy and pleasing to God as His Son was.

There is the rub.
According to Rom 6:6, my Adamic body was destroyed.
I am a new creature now, and have the divine nature of my Father.
"Old things have passed away, behold all things are made new" ! (2 Cor 5:17)

You are confusing the Spiritual with the physical. We are still here on this earth in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. If you were without sin you would be in heaven.

 

[Robert Pate]

I thank God for allowing me to elect to be part of the Israel He has freed from sin.

The only one that was elected was Jesus Christ. He was elected to be the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

 

[Robert Pate]

Salvation is limited to, and promised to only a certain people, Gods Elect, sometimes called Israel, not as in Israel the ethnic nation, but as in Israel the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation:
ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel is a specific people Jesus came to save by and through His Offering Himself a Sacrifice Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.

This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But only those that call upon his name will be saved, Romans 10:13.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.

This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But only those that call upon his name will be saved, Romans 10:13.

Gods whole World is Israel. Who did God promise to save in the Lord here Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel is an elect people from among the nations.

 

[rogerg]

Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.

This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But only those that call upon his name will be saved, Romans 10:13.

Christ is, and can only be, the Saviour of one world, and that world is the world to come - the new heavens and earth - not this current world. This one will be destroyed by God, not saved. So therefore, Christ as the Saviour, cannot be the Saviour of everyone - only of those He had so chosen to inhabit the new world with Him. Had he not saved them, then there could be no new world, but we know that because of His promise, there must be one, and since there must be one, we know that He has saved only those who will inhabit it.

[Jhn 3:17 KJV]
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

[2Pe 3:10 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[2Pe 3:13 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Luk 18:30 KJV]
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Regarding Heb 2:9, I think you should also consider 2:13, as it further defines who those of 2:9 are. The
"every man" are only those whom God gave to Jesus, which means not everyone.

[Heb 2:9 -10, 13 KJV]
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
10 For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Regarding Romans 10:13, again, there are other verses which further explain the intent of 10:13. One other
verse is 10:10. It tells us "with the heart man believeth" and confession is made. However, Only God can
change the heart, which must happen before someone can "believeth". That change comes with/from salvation.

[Eze 36:26 KJV]
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

[Jer 17:9 KJV]
9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[Rom 10:10, 13 KJV]
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ...
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[Robert Pate]

Christ is, and can only be, the Saviour of one world, and that world is the world to come - the new heavens and earth - not this current world. This one will be destroyed by God, not saved. So therefore, Christ as the Saviour, cannot be the Saviour of everyone - only of those He had so chosen to inhabit the new world with Him. Had he not saved them, then there could be no new world, but we know that because of His promise, there must be one, and since there must be one, we know that He has saved only those who will inhabit it.

[Jhn 3:17 KJV]
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

[2Pe 3:10 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[2Pe 3:13 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Luk 18:30 KJV]
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Regarding Heb 2:9, I think you should also consider 2:13, as it further defines who those of 2:9 are. The
"every man" are only those whom God gave to Jesus, which means not everyone.

[Heb 2:9 -10, 13 KJV]
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
10 For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Regarding Romans 10:13, again, there are other verses which further explain the intent of 10:13. One other
verse is 10:10. It tells us "with the heart man believeth" and confession is made. However, Only God can
change the heart, which must happen before someone can "believeth". That change comes with/from salvation.

[Eze 36:26 KJV]
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

[Jer 17:9 KJV]
9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[Rom 10:10, 13 KJV]
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ...
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The new earth will not need a savior. This present earth needs a savior. Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, which means that he is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.

 

[Robert Pate]

Gods whole World is Israel. Who did God promise to save in the Lord here Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel is an elect people from among the nations.

God elected Jesus to be the savior of the whole world, including Israel. Unfortunately, Israel as a nation rejected their Messiah. No one will be saved that does not come to Christ as a repentant sinner and call on Christ to save them.

 

[Hopeful]

You are confusing the Spiritual with the physical. We are still here on this earth in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. If you were without sin you would be in heaven.

You may be, as I have no way of knowing if you turned from sin and got baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins.
But, like Paul, I can say..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
Those reborn of God's seed are in no wise Adamic.

 

[Hopeful]

The only one that was elected was Jesus Christ. He was elected to be the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

And I elected to follow Him.
We all have the choice of whether or not to do the same.

 

[rogerg]

The new earth will not need a savior. This present earth needs a savior. Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, which means that he is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17

Well, if He provided salvation for everyone as you say, then everyone must become saved, or else He didn't provide it -- logically speaking, I don't think it is possible that both alternatives can exist at the same time; that is, it has to be either completely one way or completely the other way.

 

[brightfame52]

God elected Jesus to be the savior of the whole world, including Israel. Unfortunately, Israel as a nation rejected their Messiah. No one will be saved that does not come to Christ as a repentant sinner and call on Christ to save them.

Again, there is only one world promised to be saved in the Lord, Israel, Gods Chosen people, the Spiritual seed of Abraham Rom 4:13
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

 

[Robert Pate]

Well, if He provided salvation for everyone as you say, then everyone must become saved, or else He didn't provide it -- logically speaking, I don't think it is possible that both alternatives can exist at the same time; that is, it has to be either completely one way or completely the other way.

God has done all that he can do to provide salvation for fallen man. The law has been fulfilled and abolished. All sin has been atoned for. The ball is now in humanities court. If man by his own free will does not accept God's great free gift of salvation, Ephesians 2:8. That has been provided by Jesus Christ, then fallen man will perish.

 

[Robert Pate]

Again, there is only one world promised to be saved in the Lord, Israel, Gods Chosen people, the Spiritual seed of Abraham Rom 4:13
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

No, the promise is to everyone that believes the Gospel, Ephesians 1:13. Both Jews and Gentiles.