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God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

Hopeful said:
You may be, as I have no way of knowing if you turned from sin and got baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins.
But, like Paul, I can say..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
Those reborn of God's seed are in no wise Adamic.
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We all have a sinful, unredeemed Adamic body until the day that we die, Romans 8:23.
 
Robert Pate said:
God has done all that he can do to provide salvation for fallen man. The law has been fulfilled and abolished. All sin has been atoned for. The ball is now in humanities court. If man by his own free will does not accept God's great free gift of salvation, Ephesians 2:8. That has been provided by Jesus Christ, then fallen man will perish.
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This is not the Gospel, this is salvation by the works and will of man, a accursed gospel
 
brightfame52 said:
This is not the Gospel, this is salvation by the works and will of man, a accursed gospel
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Adam did not lose his free will in the fall. What he lost was his relationship with God.

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Whosoever, means all, everyone, anyone.
 
Robert Pate said:
There is no difference between Jew and Gentile. It is all by faith, Romans 3:22.
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God promised Abraham a believing seed in the nations/gentiles Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
 
Robert Pate said:
Naaa, it appears that you are a Calvinist. Believing is not a work. If God predestinates people to heaven or to hell that would make him unjust. Is your God an unjust tyrant?
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You are a arminian who conditions salvation on the works and will of man, thereby denying the saving efficacy of the Blood of Christ.
 
Robert Pate said:
After the New Covenant salvation is available to everyone, Romans 10:13.
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All the seed of Abraham Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all

And Salvation is made sure to all the seed. Salvation is promised only to the Seed of Abraham or Israel Isa 45:25

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
 
Robert Pate said:
What do you think "Whosoever" means?
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"whosoever" of itself does define who it consists of. And as with everything else in the Bible,
we need to consider other verses to establish any doctrine, in this case, who the whosoever(s) are, not relying
upon our personal intuition/understanding of any word or term for definition.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Only they who have been called to be saints truly call upon Jesus as Saviour - as Saviour meaning that He alone fully and completely saves with no contribution possible nor permitted from anyone else, to include ourselves. Only those to whom it has been so given can trust in Him in that manner. Therefore, they, and they alone, are the whosoever(s).
The "shall be saved" pertains to the final act of salvation occurring at the end of time where salvation is manifested in its final completed form to those so chosen for it by God. But that does not mean they became spiritually saved during their lifetime by any of their own actions - it is only as a gift of God.


[1Co 1:2 KJV] 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

[1Co 1:4-5 KJV]
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and [in] all knowledge;

[1Co 1:9 KJV]
9 God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Robert Pate said:
After the New Covenant salvation is available to everyone, Romans 10:13.
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Its heresy to say that Christs work of Salvation, His Blood shed only made it available,

His Work made it certain for them He came to save Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
So these His People must be saved
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The New Covenant Salvation which is the establishment of the Everlasting Covenant in time, its sure, not contingent 2 Sam 23:5

Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
Jesus who came to die and save His People from their sins, was for them foreordained 1 Pet 1:20-21

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Christ has an chosen people that must be saved, not made available 1 Pet 2:9,24

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Not your healing is made available, away with such trash !
 
rogerg

"whosoever" of itself does define who it consists of. And as with everything else in the Bible,
we need to consider other verses to establish any doctrine, in this case, who the whosoever(s) are, not relying
upon our personal intuition/understanding of any word or term for definition.
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Whosoever just means whatever person , jew or gentile, God is rich towards them Rom 10:11-13

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It should be noted that the calling upon the name of the Lord is the result of the Lord being rich unto them, in quickening them and causing them to call upon Him.

Ps 80:18
18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

See men dead in sin, unquickened cannot and will not call upon the Name of the True Lord and Saviour, and when a person does, its a evidence they are in a quickened saved state.
 
brightfame52 said:
See men dead in sin, unquickened cannot and will not call upon the Name of the True Lord and Saviour, and when a person does, its a evidence they are in a quickened saved state.
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I think the context the point was raised in had to do with those who will become saved and why. At its most fundamental level I believe those are the elect. Regardless of any other of their characteristics, election is the sole factor that unifies everyone saved - hence, they must be the whosoever(s), and no one else can be, which is what I tried to demonstrate.

[Jhn 3:16 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[Rom 10:13 KJV] 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 
rogerg said:
I think the context the point was raised in had to do with those who will become saved and why. At its most fundamental level I believe those are the elect. Regardless of any other of their characteristics, election is the sole factor that unifies everyone saved - hence, they must be the whosoever(s), and no one else can be, which is what I tried to demonstrate.

[Jhn 3:16 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[Rom 10:13 KJV] 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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That sounds feasible.
 
Robert Pate said:
We all have a sinful, unredeemed Adamic body until the day that we die, Romans 8:23.
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That scrip' has nothing to do with a nature.
It is about the vessel.
If you want to give your skin and bones the power to commit sin, then you would be right.
It is the mind that controls the vessel.
Those reborn of God's seed now have his divine nature.
 
brightfame52 said:
You are a arminian who conditions salvation on the works and will of man, thereby denying the saving efficacy of the Blood of Christ.
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Hog wash. Every day you exercise your free will in hundreds of ways. No one can live without a free will. You must believe that you are some kind of a dumb robot that cannot think for itself.
 
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