God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

[brightfame52]

Jesus was teaching that the law is spiritual, it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.

There are two ways to sin.
1. With your flesh.
2. With your mind.

Even if you accept Christ as your savior your sinner status does not change. We come into the world as sinners, and we go out as sinners, Romans 3:10. Some are saved sinners. Some are lost sinners.

The Gospel is Spiritual and cannot be understood and received by the natural man 1 Cor 2:14

 

[brightfame52]

The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus for their salvation.

God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world.

Thats false !

 

[rogerg]

Those that trust in Christ for their salvation are the elect. They became the elect by trusting in Christ for their salvation.

Only those who have been saved can trust in Christ -- only because they have been that they do.
True faith comes only as a fruit of the Spirit - with the Spirit only indwelling those who have become born again -
with only those saved becoming born again.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[1Pe 1:2 KJV] 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

[Gal 4:5-6 KJV]
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
[Jhn 3:3 KJV]
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(“cannot”: present tense)

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. He saves the world by providing salvation for the whole world, so that WHOSOEVER that calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved, Romans 10:13.

Thats the elect Jn 3:17 and so is Rom 10:13

 

[Robert Pate]

Thats the elect Jn 3:17 and so is Rom 10:13

All that God does, he does corporately, He is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:4.

 

[Robert Pate]

Only those who have been saved can trust in Christ -- only because they have been that they do.
True faith comes only as a fruit of the Spirit - with the Spirit only indwelling those who have become born again -
with only those saved becoming born again.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[1Pe 1:2 KJV] 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

[Gal 4:5-6 KJV]
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
[Jhn 3:3 KJV]
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(“cannot”: present tense)

We are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, Romans 10:17.

 

[brightfame52]

All that God does, he does corporately, He is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:4.

Still those verses were for the elect of God.

 

[brightfame52]

We are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, Romans 10:17.

Impossible, one cant hear the Gospel, unless they are born of God. Jesus Tells us who it is that hears [spiritually] Gods words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

So until one is of God, you can forget about any Spiritual hearing.

 

[brightfame52]

We are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, Romans 10:17.

On top of that, how can one believe the Gospel when they reject it as calvinism ?

 

[Hopeful]

Jesus was teaching that the law is spiritual, it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.

There are two ways to sin.
1. With your flesh.
2. With your mind.

Even if you accept Christ as your savior your sinner status does not change. We come into the world as sinners, and we go out as sinners, Romans 3:10. Some are saved sinners. Some are lost sinners.

"With your skin and bones".
Did the skin and bones get tempted?
Were they enticed to satisfy some lust?
Were they drawn away by some lecherous figure?
Of course not, as they have no mind.
They are all servant to the mind.
Skin and bones cannot commit sin despite whatever credit you may wish upon them.
They are just a vessel.


If Jesus is you Lord, don't you think you should obey Him?
Or is Jesus just your part-time Lord?

 

[Robert Pate]

"With your skin and bones".
Did the skin and bones get tempted?
Were they enticed to satisfy some lust?
Were they drawn away by some lecherous figure?
Of course not, as they have no mind.
They are all servant to the mind.
Skin and bones cannot commit sin despite whatever credit you may wish upon them.
They are just a vessel.


If Jesus is you Lord, don't you think you should obey Him?
Or is Jesus just your part-time Lord?

My relationship with the Lord is NOT based upon my obedience to the law.

Jesus has fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law for me, Matthew 5:18. This is why Paul wrote, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4. Do you believe?

God now sees me as perfect and complete "IN CHRIST" Colossians 2:10. Not only that, it is not possible for me to sin because the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. "Where there is no law there is no sin" Romans 4:15.

You are probably hearing some things you have never heard before because you are religious and go to the organized church.

 

[Robert Pate]

On top of that, how can one believe the Gospel when they reject it as calvinism ?

That is a good question for you to answer. When I became a Christian over 50 years ago, I didn't know there was a religion called Calvinism.

All that I knew is that I was a hell bound lost sinner. After hearing that Jesus shed his blood for me, I was convicted by the Holy Spirit of my need for Christ and accepted him as Lord and savior. You need to do the same thing.

 

[Robert Pate]

Impossible, one cant hear the Gospel, unless they are born of God. Jesus Tells us who it is that hears [spiritually] Gods words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

So until one is of God, you can forget about any Spiritual hearing.

So you have to be saved before you can be saved. The Bible teaches no such thing.

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

8,000 Jews became Christians on the day of Pentecost because they heard and believed Peter's Gospel, Acts 2:14-47.
also Acts 4:4.

"This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law" (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

 

[brightfame52]

pate

My relationship with the Lord is NOT based upon my obedience to the law.

If its based upon anything you did, then its just as same as the law. If you meet any condition of obedience to get saved, its a law principle in force, and you may as well try to keep the whole law for salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

That is a good question for you to answer. When I became a Christian over 50 years ago, I didn't know there was a religion called Calvinism.

All that I knew is that I was a hell bound lost sinner. After hearing that Jesus shed his blood for me, I was convicted by the Holy Spirit of my need for Christ and accepted him as Lord and savior. You need to do the same thing.

Well whats called calvinism, the Doctrines of Grace TULIP is nothing but the Tenants of the Gospel of Gods Grace.

 

[brightfame52]

So you have to be saved before you can be saved. The Bible teaches no such thing.

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

8,000 Jews became Christians on the day of Pentecost because they heard and believed Peter's Gospel, Acts 2:14-47.
also Acts 4:4.

"This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law" (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

You have to be saved from spiritual death, and born of the Spirit before you can Spiritually hear Gods words. Who does Jesus say hears Gods words ? Hes talking spiritually now ! Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God

 

[rogerg]

If its based upon anything you did, then its just as same as the law. If you meet any condition of obedience to get saved, its a law principle in force, and you may as well try to keep the whole law for salvation.

Exactly! Anything that requires something be done in order to receive it, in its effect, makes that requirement a law.

 

[rogerg]

You have to be saved from spiritual death, and born of the Spirit before you can Spiritually hear Gods words. Who does Jesus say hears Gods words ? Hes talking spiritually now ! Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God

And this verse too:

[Jhn 8:43 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

 

[rogerg]

If its based upon anything you did, then its just as same as the law. If you meet any condition of obedience to get saved, its a law principle in force, and you may as well try to keep the whole law for salvation.

Which then makes any attempt to achieve that law into a work, and the Bible is abundantly clear about that - that no one can be saved by their works - which work in God's eyes is of spiritual debt and not grace.

[Rom 4:4 KJV] 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

 

[Robert Pate]

pate



If its based upon anything you did, then its just as same as the law. If you meet any condition of obedience to get saved, its a law principle in force, and you may as well try to keep the whole law for salvation.

Hogwash. The Gospel calls for a response. Those that hear and believe will be saved, Romans 10:17. Hearing and believing is not a work or a work of the law.