God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

[Iconoclast]

What you have is religion. The Calvinist religion, that was conceived by the mind of a heretic.

Listen my friend, I do not have thin skin. You can insult me, not agree with me, or all the confessional Christians in Church history.
All of that just avoids the teaching that you hate. I believe these truths and do not have to do mental gymnastics to avoid the truths of our Sovereign God, His Holy word, and works. I still have much to learn about these truths.
We offer you truth. You reject it up and down the line.
i would rather help you and correct your error, but you would not have it.

 

[Iconoclast]

What you have is religion. The Calvinist religion, that was conceived by the mind of a heretic.

Guess what?

I can teach all five points from the gospel of John, and the other gospels , or any Nt. Book and not even mention John Calvin.

 

[Robert Pate]

Listen my friend, I do not have thin skin. You can insult me, not agree with me, or all the confessional Christians in Church history.
All of that just avoids the teaching that you hate. I believe these truths and do not have to do mental gymnastics to avoid the Sovereign God, His Holy word, and works

God is sovereign only within his holy, just nature. This leaves out your unjust, mean, cruel God that predestinates people to hell before they are born.

 

[Robert Pate]

Guess what?

I can teach all five points from the gospel of John, and the other gospels , or any Nt. Book and not even mention John Calvin.

Of course you can, because the four Gospels were written under the Old Covenant of law and religion. How are you doing with Paul's epistles?

 

[Iconoclast]

Of course you can, because the four Gospels were written under the Old Covenant of law and religion. How are you doing with Paul's epistles?

Robert,
I am sorry but your errors are piling up.
The gospels were written after the cross.
They do speak of the time of the Ot, as well as the Nt.
In either case,
All scripture is God breathed. I can show it from Pauls writings just as easily.
It Comes from God.
I can show the five points from just about any book.
Any biblical Calvinist can do it.
Even here your wrong view of law causes you to error.

 

[Robert Pate]

Robert,
I am sorry but your errors are piling up.
The gospels were written after the cross.
They do speak of the time of the Ot, as well as the Nt.
In either case,
All scripture is God breathed. I can show it from Pauls writings just as easily.
It Comes from God.
I can show the five points from just about any book.
Any biblical Calvinist can do it.
Even here your wrong view of law causes you to error.

Calvinism is anti-faith, anti-Gospel, anti-Christ and anti-God.

Of all of the false religions it is the easiest to refute because it is not biblical.

God so loved the world (humanity) that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:16-17.

In these two scriptures Jesus is telling us that salvation is by grace (God's goodness) through faith. You have apparently deleted these two scriptures in order to please your Calvinist God.

 

[Iconoclast]

Calvinism is anti-faith, anti-Gospel, anti-Christ and anti-God.

Of all of the false religions it is the easiest to refute because it is not biblical.

God so loved the world (humanity) that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:16-17.

In these two scriptures Jesus is telling us that salvation is by grace (God's goodness) through faith. You have apparently deleted these two scriptures in order to please your Calvinist God.

Sorry you are frustrated by your lack of being able to welcome truth. No need to become unglued.
Maybe truth will visit you this year, We will help you then.

 

[Robert Pate]

Sorry you are frustrated by your lack of being able to welcome truth. No need to become unglued.
Maybe truth will visit you this year, We will help you then.

I have the truth because I have Jesus Christ as my savior, What you have is Calvinism and a heretic called John Calvin.

 

[rogerg]

I have the truth because I have Jesus Christ as my savior, What you have is Calvinism and a heretic called John Calvin.

If Jesus was your Saviour, then you would trust Jesus as your Saviour, but you don't, instead, you
place your trust in yourself and in your in righteousness for justification before God.

 

[brightfame52]

No one is elected or chosen. God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ. The elect are those that have elected to trust in Christ for their salvation.

False, God chose some from fallen humanity to be saved.

 

[Robert Pate]

False, God chose some from fallen humanity to be saved.

God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:34.

If you believe that he is, then you must also believe that he is unjust. Calvinism is self-defeating. What Calvinism requires that you believe about God and Jesus Christ is what is going to damn you to hell.

 

[Robert Pate]

If Jesus was your Saviour, then you would trust Jesus as your Saviour, but you don't, instead, you
place your trust in yourself and in your in righteousness for justification before God.

That is what you would like to believe. I am a sinner saved by grace, just like the apostle Paul.

 

[rogerg]

That is what you would like to believe. I am a sinner saved by grace, just like the apostle Paul.

If we believe that we were required to, and have, contributed anything whatsoever to our salvation, and that it is not fully and completely a gift from God in all ways, to include faith, then we are not under grace but works and law. It is either all God's work or it is ours - there can be no middle ground.
Since you site Paul as an example, if you look at his conversion, you'll see that it overtook him, he didn't
overtake it - nor was any choice in the matter given to him whatsoever- it was all of God.

 

[brightfame52]

God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:34.

If you believe that he is, then you must also believe that he is unjust. Calvinism is self-defeating. What Calvinism requires that you believe about God and Jesus Christ is what is going to damn you to hell.

Nobody said anything about God being a respector of persons. The sinners He chose to be saved are no better by nature than the sinners He chose to be damned for their sins. The sinners He chose to save are from all ethnic groups, the sinners He chose to damn are from all ethnic groups, where is the respect of persons ?

 

[brightfame52]

rogerg

If we believe that we are required to and have contributed anything whatsoever to our salvation, and that it is not fully and completely a gift from God in all ways, to include faith, then we are not under grace but works and law.

Well stated. The problem is that the devil has deceived people into thinking that Faith in Salvation is a human quality originating in the spiritually dead sinner, but its not, its included in that parcel of saving grace, Faith is BY GRACE,

Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Grace produces Faith, so that we believe by or because of Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Believed because of Grace, Grace gets the credit for believing ! Now sinful man has hijacked Faith to be a natural quality in unregenerate man that qualifies them for salvation.

 

[Robert Pate]

Nobody said anything about God being a respector of persons. The sinners He chose to be saved are no better by nature than the sinners He chose to be damned for their sins. The sinners He chose to save are from all ethnic groups, the sinners He chose to damn are from all ethnic groups, where is the respect of persons ?

You have trouble believing the Bible, instead you place Calvinism over the Bible. You will say almost anything and do almost anything to protect your Calvinist God. You just called Peter a liar because he said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" Acts 10:34. Which refutes your Calvinist God.

 

[Robert Pate]

rogerg



Well stated. The problem is that the devil has deceived people into thinking that Faith in Salvation is a human quality originating in the spiritually dead sinner, but its not, its included in that parcel of saving grace, Faith is BY GRACE,

Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Grace produces Faith, so that we believe by or because of Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Believed because of Grace, Grace gets the credit for believing ! Now sinful man has hijacked Faith to be a natural quality in unregenerate man that qualifies them for salvation.

Faith is a natural human attribute. Little children are born with faith in their parents. They grow up and have faith in their boy friends and girl friends and marry because they love and have faith in each other. It is a natural thing for people to love and have faith in Jesus Christ. It is unnatural not to.

 

[rogerg]

Faith is a natural human attribute. Little children are born with faith in their parents. They grow up and have faith in their boy friends and girl friends and marry because they love and have faith in each other. It is a natural thing for people to love and have faith in Jesus Christ. It is unnatural not to.

[Jhn 6:65-66 KJV]
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

[Jhn 12:37, 39-40 KJV]
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: ...
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[brightfame52]

You have trouble believing the Bible, instead you place Calvinism over the Bible. You will say almost anything and do almost anything to protect your Calvinist God. You just called Peter a liar because he said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" Acts 10:34. Which refutes your Calvinist God.

Redundant. God isnt a respector of persons, all deserve hell

 

[Robert Pate]

Redundant. God isnt a respector of persons, all deserve hell

No one deserves hell, because all are born into sin, Romans 5:12. We are all victims of Adams transgression.

God saw the plight of fallen man and sent his Son Jesus Christ to be his savior.

"For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8. A gift cannot be earned or deserved otherwise it would not be a free gift.