God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

[brightfame52]

Faith is a natural human attribute. Little children are born with faith in their parents. They grow up and have faith in their boy friends and girl friends and marry because they love and have faith in each other. It is a natural thing for people to love and have faith in Jesus Christ. It is unnatural not to.

Faith out of the flesh is worthless in Salvation and the things of God. The Natural faith of man cant understand the things of God 1 Cor 2:14

 

[Robert Pate]

[Jhn 6:65-66 KJV]
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

[Jhn 12:37, 39-40 KJV]
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: ...
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ.

John 6:64-66 is about those that did not believe in Jesus. "But there are some of you that believe not". No one is predestinated. They simply did not have faith in Jesus, they were unbelievers.

There are many that do not believe, God knows that they will never believe, so he blinds their eyes and hardens their hearts, much like Pharoh. They are reprobates. A reprobate is someone that has resisted the call of the Holy Spirit for years and the Spirit gives up on them and they become reprobates.

 

[brightfame52]

No one deserves hell, because all are born into sin, Romans 5:12. We are all victims of Adams transgression.

God saw the plight of fallen man and sent his Son Jesus Christ to be his savior.

"For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8. A gift cannot be earned or deserved otherwise it would not be a free gift.

You gone from bad to worse. All men are sinners by nature and guilty before God Rom 3:8-19

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Mans damnation is Just !

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

 

[brightfame52]

The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ.

John 6:64-66 is about those that did not believe in Jesus. "But there are some of you that believe not". No one is predestinated. They simply did not have faith in Jesus, they were unbelievers.

There are many that do not believe, God knows that they will never believe, so he blinds their eyes and hardens their hearts, much like Pharoh. They are reprobates. A reprobate is someone that has resisted the call of the Holy Spirit for years and the Spirit gives up on them and they become reprobates.

Those whom God calls are Justified, and all are not Justified Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

 

[Robert Pate]

Faith out of the flesh is worthless in Salvation and the things of God. The Natural faith of man cant understand the things of God 1 Cor 2:14

That is not true. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4. "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

1 Corinthians 2:14 is about the unsaved man that has rejected Christ and his Gospel.

 

[Robert Pate]

You gone from bad to worse. All men are sinners by nature and guilty before God Rom 3:8-19

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Mans damnation is Just !

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

You are describing the unsaved. I was one of those, but I heard that Jesus shed his blood for me and I was converted to Christ. "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

 

[Robert Pate]

Those whom God calls are Justified, and all are not Justified Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

There is nothing in those scriptures about anyone being predestinated to salvation.

 

[Iconoclast]

A blind man cannot see a rainbow

 

[brightfame52]

That is not true. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4. "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

1 Corinthians 2:14 is about the unsaved man that has rejected Christ and his Gospel.

Didnt you know the flesh is worthless and profits nothing in Salvation matters Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And thats what you trust in, the natural mans faith. You on sand my friend

 

[brightfame52]

You are describing the unsaved. I was one of those, but I heard that Jesus shed his blood for me and I was converted to Christ. "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

Hearing comes from being of God. Jesus tells us who it is that hears the word of God, who does He say here Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[Iconoclast]

I have the truth because I have Jesus Christ as my savior, What you have is Calvinism and a heretic called John Calvin.

You are embarrasing yourself at this point

 

[Robert Pate]

Hearing comes from being of God. Jesus tells us who it is that hears the word of God, who does He say here Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Unfortunately, you are the one that does not hear God's word, which is the Gospel.

In the Gospel Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God by his life, death and resurrection

And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and has given unto us the ministry of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

The ministry of reconciliation is the preaching of the Gospel. This is what I do. I am a minister of the Gospel.

"And you that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now has he reconciled" Colossians 1:21.

We are reconciled unto God by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Not predestinated.

 

[Robert Pate]

You are embarrasing yourself at this point

You hang on to John Calvin, he is your only hope. I will continue to trust in Jesus Christ, he is my only hope.

 

[Robert Pate]

Didnt you know the flesh is worthless and profits nothing in Salvation matters Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And thats what you trust in, the natural mans faith. You on sand my friend

The Spirit is given to those that hear and believe the Gospel.

"This only would I learn of you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

Unfortunately, you don't believe the Gospel, which means that you don't have the Spirit.

 

[Robert Pate]

A blind man cannot see a rainbow

A Calvinist cannot hear and believe the Gospel. It is hidden to them, 2 Corinthians 4:3.

 

[Iconoclast]

You hang on to John Calvin, he is your only hope. I will continue to trust in Jesus Christ, he is my only hope.

Have I quoted John Calvin? Could you produce such a quote?

 

[Iconoclast]

A Calvinist cannot hear and believe the Gospel. It is hidden to them, 2 Corinthians 4:3.

Not true Satan.

 

[Robert Pate]

Not true Satan.

Paul said, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to everyone that believes; to the Jew first, and also the Greek" Romans 1:16.

It is our faith in Christ that makes the Gospel ours.

"In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 1:13.

This is how we are saved, not by being predestinated.

 

[rogerg]

Paul said, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to everyone that believes; to the Jew first, and also the Greek" Romans 1:16.

It is our faith in Christ that makes the Gospel ours.

True faith only comes to someone through the fruit of the Spirt from becoming born again. It does not/cannot come of ourselves.

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

"In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 1:13.

This is how we are saved, not by being predestinated.

Regarding belief, see Gal 5:22 above

We can only "hear" if given spiritual ears to hear. This occurs only through becoming born again.

[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

[Jhn 8:42-43 KJV]
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

 

[Cooper]

You gone from bad to worse. All men are sinners by nature and guilty before God Rom 3:8-19

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Mans damnation is Just !

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

All men includes Calvanists.