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God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

Iconoclast said:
No...he is erratic.
He is gifted and can come out with some great ideas.
He also says things that are quite inconsistent.
Look at John Owen, John Murray, Matthew Henry, Richard Sibbes,Gerhardous Vos, B.B.Warfield,A.W.Pink, W.R. Downing,Albert N. MARTIN, Herman Bavinck
,Steve Lawson, James White, Sinclair Ferguson, Geoff Thomas. John Flavel, Thomas Watson..try them
Www.sermonaudio.com
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BTW, I AM going to check out your list of persons above.
 
Iconoclast said:
Totally ignorant of the differences of terms.where is the term predestination used in reference to sin?
Still avoiding 2 pet.3:9?

We all know why.
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See post 735 and please stop with this 2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
How does 2 Peter 3:9 work to your benefit anyway?
It states that God wants ALL to come to repentance.
God wishes for none to perish....

So why would He predestine billions to hell?

And when am I getting an answer on

John Calvin's Institutes
Book 3
Chapter 24
Paragraph 8

that there are two species of calling: for there is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation.

Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness.


rogerg
electedbyhim

Does that sound like a just God to you?
Or a loving one.
Or a merciful one.
 
wondering said:
I said, very plainly, that I didn't find what YOU believe in the bible.
Not in the OT and not in the NT.

What you believe is not biblical, so it won't be found in the bible.
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You answered the wrong question- but that probably wasn't an accident, was it?
Here is the question again: did you, find in the Bible, what YOU, not I, stated?
Everything I believe is from the Bible, otherwise, I couldn't believe it.
For instance, Christ as Saviour- do you believe in Him as such?
Or do you believe that by your faith you become saved?
That is, does faith bring salvation, or does salvation bring faith?
If you believed in Christ as Saviour, then you would have to believe the latter, not the former.
Otherwise, salvation would be by your work, not Christ's - simple, right?
For me, it is definitely the latter, and beyond question, that is biblical.
So, for you, which one is it?
 
rogerg said:
You answered the wrong question- but that probably wasn't an accident, was it?
Here is the question again: did you, find in the Bible, what YOU, not I, stated?
Everything I believe is from the Bible, otherwise, I couldn't believe it.
For instance, Christ as Saviour- do you believe in Him as such?
Or do you believe that by your faith you become saved?
That is, does faith bring salvation, or does salvation bring faith?
If you believed in Christ as Saviour, then you would have to believe the latter, not the former.
Otherwise, salvation would be by your work, not Christ's - simple, right?
For me, it is definitely the latter, and beyond question, that is biblical.
So, for you, which one is it?
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Yes Roger...
I've said that you put the cart before the horse...
You believe a person has to be saved to become saved.

I can't remember what I stated...maybe you could repeat it?
There is nothing you believe that is from the bible.
What you believe has been taught be men and was not even accepted by the church until 500 years ago.
It's the same as being a JW, they believe in a person's teaching too.

I'm not answering the Christ as Savior question.
How many times are you going to ask and I'm going to answer?

Faith brings salvation.
We are saved by God's grace THROUGH FAITH...
We are saved through faith.
Through faith we are saved.

Faith saves.
BELIEVE IN JESUS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED.
BELIEVE
SALVATION
First one believes then he is saved.

You believe you have to be saved first and THEN you get saved.
So if faith saves...
you believe you have to be saved first, and then get saved.
It's nonsense.

Read the bible instead of the WCF or the LCF or whatever book you use to learn about your faith.
 
wondering said:
I said, very plainly, that I didn't find what YOU believe in the bible.
Not in the OT and not in the NT.
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Then why did/why would you even bring up that which is not from the Bible?
You don't believe in the Bible as God's sole spiritual revelation to mankind?
 
rogerg said:
Then why did/why would you even bring up that which is not from the Bible?
You don't believe in the Bible as God's sole spiritual revelation to mankind?
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Dear Roger,
YOU bring up what is not in the bible.

NOT ME.

You do go around in circles, don't you?
:whirl
 
wondering said:
I can't remember what I stated...maybe you could repeat it?
There is nothing you believe that is from the bible.
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So there you go again. By that, you are saying then that Christ isn't the Saviour because that is the
foundation of my belief and upon which everything that I state is built
That He as the Saviour isn't biblical? Really?
 
wondering said:
Dear Roger,
YOU bring up what is not in the bible.

NOT ME.

You do go around in circles, don't you?
:whirl
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It was YOUR question, not mine. You're going in circles and don't know it.
You didn't answer my question: does faith bring salvation or does salvation bring faith?
Don't try to evade it.
 
rogerg said:
It was YOUR question, not mine. You're going in circles and don't know it.
You didn't answer my question: does faith bring salvation or does salvation bring faith?
Don't try to evade it.
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You could try reading post no. 766 again.
 
wondering said:
You could try reading post no. 766 again.
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In that post, this is what you stated:

"I've said that you put the cart before the horse...
You believe a person has to be saved to become saved."

You are being evasive.
Are you saying that it is up to a person to save themselves
by/through their faith? Simple yes or please.
 
wondering said:
Faith brings salvation.
We are saved by God's grace THROUGH FAITH...
We are saved through faith.
Through faith we are saved.

Faith saves.
BELIEVE IN JESUS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED.
BELIEVE
SALVATION
First one believes then he is saved.
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Ok I see your answer now, sorry, my fault.
nevertheless, your answer means a person saves themselves by their faith which
means in that case it isn't by Christ
 
rogerg said:
Ok I see your answer now, sorry, my fault.
nevertheless, your answer means a person saves themselves by their faith which
means in that case it isn't by Christ
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You are really confused. How can we save ourselves? God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to his holy law.
2. A perfect atonement for his sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf has victoriously met both of these requirements. This is how we are saved.

Our faith does not really save us, Jesus saves us. Our faith in Christ is what makes the Gospel ours.

Everyone has the ability to hear and believe. We are not a bunch of dumb robots.
 
rogerg said:
Ok I see your answer now, sorry, my fault.
nevertheless, your answer means a person saves themselves by their faith which
means in that case it isn't by Christ
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No Roger.
Faith is a gift from God...
we get it by believing in Jesus and His Word and teachings in the NT.

It's all right here:
1. GOD SAVES US BY HIS GRACE.
2. THROUGH FAITH.
3. IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD.
4. NOT BY WORKS

How many more times must we go through this?
Could you please explain what you don't understand about the following 2 verses?
Could you please explain how YOU think we are saved?
Could you post a verse that states we must first be regenerated (saved)
in order to become saved?
Thanks.


Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
NLT
8God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
9Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
KJV
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.


WHERE in the above verses does it state that I save myself somehow?
 
Robert Pate said:
You are really confused. How can we save ourselves? God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to his holy law.
2. A perfect atonement for his sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf has victoriously met both of these requirements. This is how we are saved.

Our faith does not really save us, Jesus saves us. Our faith in Christ is what makes the Gospel ours.

Everyone has the ability to hear and believe. We are not a bunch of dumb robots.
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If someone believes that their faith has saved them, then their salvation is by their action and not Jesus's
which violates the Gospel and therefore is impossible
Not only does our faith "not really save us" - it cannot save at all.
The true believe comes from being born-again - a fruit of the Spirit.
Becoming born-again happens to only those who are saved, not before.
Until that happens no one is able to hear or believe because the god of this world - satan-
has blinded all of the unsaved.

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
rogerg said:
Ok I see your answer now, sorry, my fault.
nevertheless, your answer means a person saves themselves by their faith which
means in that case it isn't by Christ
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Please copy my words which state that a person saves themselves...
 
rogerg said:
If someone believes that their faith has saved them, then their salvation is by their action and not Jesus's
which violates the Gospel and therefore is impossible
Not only does our faith "not really save us" - it cannot save at all.
The true believe comes from being born-again - a fruit of the Spirit.
Becoming born-again happens to only those who are saved, not before.
Until that happens no one is able to hear or believe because the god of this world - satan-
has blinded all of the unsaved.

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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The God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which do not believe?

I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL BORN DEPRAVED AND DEAD AND BLIND AND DEAF AND MUTE...

Were some of us born saved already?
 
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