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God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

rogerg said:
But the verse says that is impossible. Read v 14 again. He must be born-again for that to happen

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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You are the natural man. You cannot hear and believe the Gospel and be born again, 1 Peter 1:23.
 
rogerg said:
sorry, I don't follow your question?
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In 786 you said:
Almost everyone is unsaved in the womb, but God can save whomever He chose, whenever
He wants.
MY belief system teaches that there is none righteous, no not one, we have all gone astray.
Your telling me that some are saved in the womb because God could save whenever He wants.
Does this mean that Paul was wrong in
Romans 3:23?
22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

If God saves some in the womb, it means Paul was wrong.
If he was wrong, how could we trust anything Paul says?
 
rogerg said:
God chose whomever He chose (to save). He did not, would not disclose who and why those are.
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This is what I mean by God being just.
How would a just God not give everyone the same chance to be saved?

No one deserves it.
So a true just being would just send everyone to hell.

Or
He would give to everyone the chance to be saved.

But the reformed God does neither.
He picks and chooses, based on nothing at all except His own will and to glorify Himself.
How does sending people to hell glorify God?

What a weak God He must be if this is how He glorifies Himself.
 
telling someone "I believe it is you who needs to do the studying" is a violation of the ToS 1.1
wondering said:
I don't believe anyone stated that it was because David's mother had an affair.
It has something to do with the family.

Do some studying....Psalm 51:5 does not mean David was born a sinner...
know why?

WE ARE ALL BORN SINNERS.
Not just David...
the statement makes no sense if it means what you think.
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Your words make no sense.

I believe it is you who needs to do the studying.

The verse means we are born in sin.

And yes there is a member here who believes David was a was born from an affair.

I cannot mention the name because everyone is so sensitive around here and easily offended.
 
wondering said:
In 786 you said:
Almost everyone is unsaved in the womb, but God can save whomever He chose, whenever
He wants.
MY belief system teaches that there is none righteous, no not one, we have all gone astray.
Your telling me that some are saved in the womb because God could save whenever He wants.
Does this mean that Paul was wrong in
Romans 3:23?
22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

If God saves some in the womb, it means Paul was wrong.
If he was wrong, how could we trust anything Paul says?
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Belief is a gift of salvation. It is not an intellectual process but a spiritual one.
Whomever God saves He gives a belief in Christ regardless of any other factors.
God can do that.
 
electedbyhim said:
Your words make no sense.

I believe it is you who needs to do the studying.

The verse means we are born in sin.

And yes there is a member here who believes David was a was born from an affair.

I cannot mention the name because everyone is so sensitive around here and easily offended.
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If you tag him in you would be breaking no rules.
Rules are broken if you speak about another member and do not tag him in.
Also, you wouldn't be saying anything derogatory about him.
But better to be careful.

When a person thinks they know everything, they stop learning.
Psalm 51:5 does NOT MEAN we are BORN IN SIN.

Everyone is born in sin, why even mention it?
Was David the only person born in sin?
No.

Find out.
Learn something new.
 
electedbyhim said:
You truly do not know His sovereignty.

Please study Theology Proper to start with and not what the Arminians Catholics teach, that is heretical teaching
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A God that needs to send billions of persons to hell in order to be glorified is a God no one would worship,
and that no one did worship for over 4,000 years until the reformation.

And because you make a statement does not let it be fact...
Calvinism is heresy because no other Christian denomination believes what they teach.

Find out what heresy means.
 
wondering said:
How would a just God not give everyone the same chance to be saved?
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no one deserves it - that He gives it to anyone is of His mercy.
those who do not receive it, do not want it on the basis of His grace alone -
they want it by their works instead.

wondering said:
Or
He would give to everyone the chance to be saved.

But the reformed God does neither.
He picks and chooses, based on nothing at all except His own will and to glorify Himself.
How does sending people to hell glorify God?

What a weak God He must be if this is how He glorifies Himself.
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You do not comprehend the spiritual state of mankind.
We all have sinned and therefore are none righteous.
There is no way for the unsaved to remit that.
For faith to have merit with God it has to have within it, righteousness.
The faith that a man might produce does not have that righteousness -
it can't because man is sinful and unrighteous. Only Christ's faith had it.
You want to set the terms of salvation according to
your desire of how you would like it to be.
 
wondering said:
A God that needs to send billions of persons to hell in order to be glorified is a God no one would worship,
and that no one did worship for over 4,000 years until the reformation.

And because you make a statement does not let it be fact...
Calvinism is heresy because no other Christian denomination believes what they teach.
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God does not send anyone to hell to be glorified. Those who will go to hell
will go to hell because of their transgression.
 
wondering said:
If you tag him in you would be breaking no rules.
Rules are broken if you speak about another member and do not tag him in.
Also, you wouldn't be saying anything derogatory about him.
But better to be careful.

When a person thinks they know everything, they stop learning.
Psalm 51:5 does NOT MEAN we are BORN IN SIN.

Everyone is born in sin, why even mention it?
Was David the only person born in sin?
No.

Find out.
Learn something new.
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This makes no sense.

Who has stopped learning?
 
wondering said:
A God that needs to send billions of persons to hell in order to be glorified is a God no one would worship,
and that no one did worship for over 4,000 years until the reformation.

And because you make a statement does not let it be fact...
Calvinism is heresy because no other Christian denomination believes what they teach.

Find out what heresy means.
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Rom 9:18-23 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? WILL THE THING MOLDED SAY TO THE MOLDER, “WHY DID YOU MAKE ME LIKE THIS”? 21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable ? And what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, 23 and in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory—


Waiting....
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-parable-about-gods-sovereign-election.94552/
 
electedbyhim said:
Rom 9:18-23 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? WILL THE THING MOLDED SAY TO THE MOLDER, “WHY DID YOU MAKE ME LIKE THIS”? 21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable ? And what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, 23 and in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory—


Waiting....
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-parable-about-gods-sovereign-election.94552/
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Excellent
 
wondering said:
This is what I mean by God being just.
How would a just God not give everyone the same chance to be saved?

No one deserves it.
So a true just being would just send everyone to hell.

Or
He would give to everyone the chance to be saved.

But the reformed God does neither.
He picks and chooses, based on nothing at all except His own will and to glorify Himself.
How does sending people to hell glorify God?

What a weak God He must be if this is how He glorifies Himself.
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See electedbyhim post #817 for answers to your questions. The verses he included explains it perfectly.
 
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