GodsGrace
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I also see a lot of confusion in some replies of those that call themselves calvinists. I wonder if they know what calvinism is,,,,or they just try to detract from the horrible reality of those teachings.
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GodsGrace
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Well, I quoted someone,
Now what?
Clearly you do not understand the Doctrines of grace.
Are you in hiding?
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-parable-about-gods-sovereign-election.94552/
Grace and peace to you.
Robert Pate
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To teach that God predestinates people to hell before they are born, is blasphemy against God the Son, God the Father and the Holy Spirit. Those that teach such things will never see heaven.
GodsGrace
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I'm not one to feel we can know the condition of a person's soul, however I wonder about this.
It's worse than that.
The teaching is that God predestinates everything, including sin.
This makes God a sinner and it makes Him the first cause of sinning.
This makes the being that teaches in His word that we are to obey and be set aside for holiness, the very being that causes us to sin every manner of sin
AND for His Glory!
Yes. It is truly blasphemous.
GodsGrace
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rogerg
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I've decided to stop posting to persons that are clearly confused about their faith and the cause of their salvation.
I'm not going to read the link on Gods sovereignty.
Every christian believes God is sovereign.
It's unfortunate that this is the only attribute you assign to God Almighty the Creator of the universe.
Robert Pate
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Calvinism is an attempt to do away with the Gospel, justification by faith, the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and the judgment.
So, then you're saying.... what? That you don't believe these verses are correct, or you don't understand them, or you don't agree with them, or you just can't accept them? It has to be one of those, so, which?
They are as clear as can be - that beyond question, God claimed for Himself, and for Himself alone, the decision of upon whom He would bestow mercy and who He wouldn't -- and by that, we cannot change, nor contribute to, nor affect that decision. It seems you believe you've discovered a better way and that He will follow it even though the Bible tells us otherwise. You should let the Bible guide you into doctrine and not the reverse. I suggest you read these
verses again closely and think about what they're saying.
[Rom 9:11, 9:18-24 KJV]
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
By a quick count, I think you've managed to contradict yourself at least three times or more in
one sentence. That might just be a record, but I'd have to check the Guinness World Records book to be sure.
Where does anyone teach this?
This is a figment of your imagination.
It might be better for you to take a break from posting.
You do not answer what you are asked even though you claim you do.
Every Cal has offered you help which you turn aside and give your emotional feelings and philosophy.
If the time comes when uou become sincere many will help you.
You and Robert have put your profane thoughts on display.Your non stop attack on God, His word,His people is sad.
It shows a religious person can be outside the Kingdom,and think they are okay.
You have totally misjudged wondering. She is a very devoted and kind Christian -- unlike yourself.
GodsGrace
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Just some comment on your above post. Very good points BTW.
1. Calvinism does away with the gospel because there is no need for the gospel under that belief system.
It is superfluous. In fact, the sacrifice of Jesus is superfluous. It is not necessary because our faith will not have to depend on whether or not we accept the sacrifice of Jesus, but God alone will decide who is to be saved and who is to be lost, so why did Jesus have to die? No reason at all.
2. Calvinism does away with justification by faith because there is no such thing as justification under that system.
We are not justified because we believe - God picks the saved, no need for justification. No need to be made right with God. God alone decides who will be saved.
3. Calvinism does away with the Lordship of Jesus Christ because we are forced, coerced, to obey since that is how God predestinated us. Little robots that obey because He so determined that we would. Since we do not obey of our own free will choice, Jesus cannot be our Lord.
4. Calvinism does away with the judgment. What is there to judge? We act out our sinfulness because God so predestinated us to do whatever we do. If He forces us to sin because it is HIS will and He has the power to predetermine this, how is judging of any value? It's a complete waste of time.
Calvinism does away with our works for salvation being instead satisfied solely by the works of Christ
I am going by what she posts. I cannot judge or see her heart, but I can see and read her posts;
Let's take a look;
1] The teaching is that God predestinates everything, including sin.
2]I've decided to stop posting to persons that are clearly confused about their faith and the cause of their salvation.
3]
This makes God a sinner and it makes Him the first cause of sinning.
This makes the being that teaches in His word that we are to obey and be set aside for holiness, the very being that causes us to sin every manner of sin
AND for His Glory!
4]I'm not going to read the link on Gods sovereignty.
5]
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No cal believes or teaches any such thing. This is a ninth commandment violation from start to finish.
I am going by what she posts. I cannot judge or see her heart, but I can see and read her posts;
Let's take a look;
1] The teaching is that God predestinates everything, including sin.
2]I've decided to stop posting to persons that are clearly confused about their faith and the cause of their salvation.
3]
This makes God a sinner and it makes Him the first cause of sinning.
This makes the being that teaches in His word that we are to obey and be set aside for holiness, the very being that causes us to sin every manner of sin
AND for His Glory!
4]I'm not going to read the link on Gods sovereignty.
5]Psalm 51:5 does NOT MEAN we are BORN IN SIN.
6]How would a just God not give everyone the same chance to be saved?
7]
But the reformed God does neither.
He picks and chooses, based on nothing at all except His own will and to glorify Himself.
How does sending people to hell glorify God?
What a weak God He must be if this is how He glorifies Himself.
8]What you believe is not biblical, so it won't be found in the bible.
9]So why would He predestine billions to hell?
It seems that some in this thread do not understand Calvinism and/or are confusing it with hyper-Calvinism. This is resulting in some erroneous statements about what Calvinists believe.
Having said that, those who believe Calvinism, or Reformed theology, need to show more patience and do a better job at teaching and explaining the nuances of what they believe.
Having said that, those who believe Calvinism, or Reformed theology, need to show more patience and do a better job at teaching and explaining the nuances of what they believe.
thank you