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God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

davado said:
saved by grace, faith? whatever
saved from what?
torture
why?
because jesus said so.
If he really loved us then thered be nothing to save us from. There would be no torture.


where you start trying to reason through the justufucations to a path that gives you heaven in the hereafter?

Cant you step back and see how profoundly silly it is?
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Can't you step back and realize how much God loves you that He sent Jesus as a Lamb to the slaughter in order to save you from being cast into the lake of fire. There is no eternal torture to those who have come to Him and are His own. What has happened to you to be so angry against the one who loves you and died for you.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
 
for_his_glory said:
God's salvation through Christ Jesus is for whosoever will believe in Him, John 3:16 clearly says this.

Never tell anyone salvation is not for everyone.
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John 3 says for everyone believing...not whosoever.
Salvation is not for everyone, never was.

IT does not say
..whosoever, but even if it did...it is whosoever believes...not just whosoever.
The fact is all through the bible salvation never was for everyone. You can create your own ideas, but you cannot change revealed truth.
In Mt 13:11
Mt15:13
 
davado said:
actually i just realised the inherent truth in my last post might be powerful enough to wake others from their cult brainwashing so ill quote myself to stop it being edited.
Of course i cant stop it being deleted despite free speech being a christian creation of protestantism i believe
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God loves sinners in Christ.
Outside of Christ the wrath of God abides on the ungodly.
Your scoffing will come to nothing at the White Throne Judgment.
There is.life In Christ, those who remain outside of Christ go into second death.
I do not suggest that for anyone.
 
davado said:
actually i just realised the inherent truth in my last post might be powerful enough to wake others from their cult brainwashing so ill quote myself to stop it being edited.
Of course i cant stop it being deleted despite free speech being a christian creation of protestantism i believe
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You can freely post your rebellion against God and His word, but He is the judge, not you.We are told multitudes will perish in unbelief.
I and others thank God for having mercy on us, and fully paying the price for our sins.
Those who.remain outside will eternally be paying for their own sins.
 
davado said:
im not telling that to anyone.
im sayng the whole jesus story is patently absurd.
im a grown man and find it too ludicrous to buy in to.
Its for wide eyed children and morons and of course cowards in my opinion.

god does not love me. He wants to torture me if i dont obey his arbitrary rules.
If thats love im a chinaman.
Thats objectively the act of a sadistic psychopath
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God as Creator defines right and wrong.
God defines what is right, and what is wrong

The 10 commandments are not arbitrary, but Holy, Just, and Good.
 
davado said:
if you say so.
i find them almost as ridiculous as being thankful for him showing mercy on us.
Mercy for what?
90 % of us havent done anything wrong so why do we need mercy?
i go back to my previous comment for the answer to that.
And what is wrong anyway?
Things dreamed up by jesus as sins.
He may aswell have made eating mashed potato a sin for all he sense it makes.

And the devil being evil is just as ridiculous.
He stood up to jesus which makes him a hero in my book.
It wouldve been so much easier for him to toe the line.

But doing the easy thing is rarely the right option.
And now he's stuck in hell for his courage.
Id have the devil by my side in a crisis before any christian.
He has principles
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You should stop worrying about Jesus and begin to try to figure out about who God is.

I asked you a question to which you never replied. Are you here just to degrade God or honest conversation?

If you walked into the headquarters of a corporation would you be allowed to speak out WHATEVER you wanted? No. You'd be escorted out of the bldg. Same for Christianity. You have free speech, but civility is required to be here.

Here's the question you never answered:

HOW DID THE UNIVERSE COME INTO BEING?
 
davado said:
if you say so.
i find them almost as ridiculous as being thankful for him showing mercy on us.
Mercy for what?
90 % of us havent done anything wrong so why do we need mercy?
i go back to my previous comment for the answer to that.
And what is wrong anyway?
Things dreamed up by jesus as sins.
He may aswell have made eating mashed potato a sin for all he sense it makes.

And the devil being evil is just as ridiculous.
He stood up to jesus which makes him a hero in my book.
It wouldve been so much easier for him to toe the line.

But doing the easy thing is rarely the right option.
And now he's stuck in hell for his courage.
Id have the devil by my side in a crisis before any christian.
He has principles
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When you create a universe, than you get to make the rules.
As it is God is on complete control, Satan is a defeated loser, amd all mankind needs the blood of Christ to cover rheir sin.
 
Iconoclast said:
John 3 says for everyone believing...not whosoever.
Salvation is not for everyone, never was.

IT does not say
..whosoever, but even if it did...it is whosoever believes...not just whosoever.
The fact is all through the bible salvation never was for everyone. You can create your own ideas, but you cannot change revealed truth.
In Mt 13:11
Mt15:13
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KJV John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God's salvation is for everyone who will receive His free gift of grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8-10.
 
davado said:
im not telling that to anyone.
im sayng the whole jesus story is patently absurd.
im a grown man and find it too ludicrous to buy in to.
Its for wide eyed children and morons and of course cowards in my opinion.

god does not love me. He wants to torture me if i dont obey his arbitrary rules.
If thats love im a chinaman.
Thats objectively the act of a sadistic psychopath
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You can't even fathom the love God has for you and that He does not want you to perish. I truly feel sorry for you in your hatred towards Him.
 
wondering said:
There you have it.
There cannot be two truths.
One is right and the other is wrong,
Or one is wrong and the other is right.

But I do agree with you that we're divided.
Mostly it's about matters that do not matter very much.
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I don't understand you logic. Why can't God have chosen me to be saved before the world began and saved me in 1977? Poor analogy: If I decide I want a dozen eggs from the store but don't buy them until two days later, isn't that the same principle?
 
davado said:
im not telling that to anyone.
im sayng the whole jesus story is patently absurd.
im a grown man and find it too ludicrous to buy in to.
Its for wide eyed children and morons and of course cowards in my opinion.

god does not love me. He wants to torture me if i dont obey his arbitrary rules.
If thats love im a chinaman.
Thats objectively the act of a sadistic psychopath
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So where do you live? Beijing?

Your understanding of God is entirely wrong. He wants to torture you??? John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."

If you think that the whole Jesus story is patently absurd, that doesn't make it absurd. It just means that you don't understand it. So you're wrong again.

"Its for wide eyed children and morons and of course cowards in my opinion." So your opinion is false.

Like you, I was a confirmed atheist until God healed me. Then I knew the truth.

Finally, why are you participating on a Christian forum? Perhaps you're actually seeking the truth and love in Christ, but can't admit it to yourself!

Your obvious negativity and cynicism isn't doing you much good. In fact, it's spiritual poison.
 
for_his_glory said:
KJV John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God's salvation is for everyone w Speak ofho will receive His free gift of grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8-10.
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John 315 and 16 Speaks of everyone believing and continuing on in a state of belief has eternal life 2nd Peter 39 is obviously speaking of the elect and verse 9 is those elected throughout time and every single one of them will be saved that's what it's speaking about
 
Iconoclast said:
John 315 and 16 Speaks of everyone believing and continuing on in a state of belief has eternal life 2nd Peter 39 is obviously speaking of the elect and verse 9 is those elected throughout time and every single one of them will be saved that's what it's speaking about
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How does one debate with persons that don't even understand plain english?

John 3,16 is NOT DESCRIPTIVE.

Really, did Jesus spend His time describing a christian, or teaching how TO BE a christian?
 
for_his_glory said:
You can't even fathom the love God has for you and that He does not want you to perish. I truly feel sorry for you in your hatred towards Him.
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Iconoclast said:
John 315 and 16 Speaks of everyone believing and continuing on in a state of belief has eternal life 2nd Peter 39 is obviously speaking of the elect and verse 9 is those elected throughout time and every single one of them will be saved that's what it's speaking about
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There is no 2nd Peter 39. The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus for their salvation. God is no respecter of persons, Acts 10:34. If you want to be saved you will have to trust in Christ to save you. This can happen by sincerely calling on him to save you, Romans 10:13.
 
wondering said:
How does one debate with persons that don't even understand plain english?

John 3,16 is NOT DESCRIPTIVE.

Really, did Jesus spend His time describing a christian, or teaching how TO BE a christian?
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Try and learn something before inventing your false descriptions.
The "plain english" is not correct as it was written in Greek.

 
wondering said:
How does one debate with persons that don't even understand plain english?

John 3,16 is NOT DESCRIPTIVE.

Really, did Jesus spend His time describing a christian, or teaching how TO BE a christian?
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Jesus describes that everyone believing, everyone believing one has eternal life.
That is what the Greek says.
It was not written in plain English as you say,but Greek as Jesus said
.
 
Robert Pate said:
There is no 2nd Peter 39. The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus for their salvation. God is no respecter of persons, Acts 10:34. If you want to be saved you will have to trust in Christ to save you. This can happen by sincerely calling on him to save you, Romans 10:13.
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So now you deny scripture again, and have people electing themselves,lol..yeah, we hear you :hysterical
 
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