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Is freewill biblical or something the modern world invented ?

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The base of freewill is what G-d wanted man with freewill before the fall man had man freewill ? and it was perfect ? Yes, Becuase it was align with him before all this of politics, sin, and works and faith of slavation were not part of this he wanted us to be with him in the garden and do one thing . Trust in him put our faith can we keep having our faith and keep the relation with Adam like G-d intended even though we are fallen and cannot be pure like he was, Inoccent ? Jesus is that second Adam he had A relationship and did what Adam was supposed to be A son, A servant and love like G-d loves the world. We are not perfect but we do 10% of the work, 50% of the work and 90 of the work % of faith and he does the rest in mysterious ways. Remember we are imperfect of the fall.
 
Know that the base of freewill the secret is what he wants before the fall and can we understand the concept of freewill ? He gave man choice to eat the tree of good and evil ? Yes, he did. So know there is freewill concept in what is slavery in the law of mosaic law and how you are liberated, and what is concept of how democracy of goverment of law say and gives freewill to choose A president or leader, the freewill of philosophy greeks talk, the freewill of from sin that Jesus liberates you and what Romans 8:8-9 NLT this verses says from satan. Know that to understand the freewill God gave Adam in the Eden is still the base of all this and we must do what Jesus did. Freewill means different in each culture because the words don't mean the same know the definition in hebrew is another in form of freedom of choice but inside the law and what greeks say about freewill is not the same and it is what influence
 
Our modern system in law and what we call liberalism but it is not what God is talking about and what the law says in the mosaic way and how jesus freed us from sin. Thru the mosaic law using the new testament by fullfiling it. Know that is the crucial and essential infromation we talk about and use verses to reveal the 2 commandments help us in the that road. And all this thread reveals to us that infromation. Know there is freewill in the flesh and in the spirit but loves is hte base of it. And destiny, predestination, probabilites of A billion to one, actions and owrks by faith decide our future, and God soveriegn over it and not God soveriegn in the future exist. It all exist and God's plan is what is goes in the end.

Know this why we must understand hebrew lexicon emaning and greek one's too because God's commandmnets are used to be exact and what he ordered in he way and issued was meant for kings, prophets, and his people and we must study thoroughly more and find they meaning to it and discover he meant freewil in one way and freewill for his people thrue Jesus and thru the law another way.
 
Adam and Eve? "Free will"?

What about the Eternal Plan of God? How can there be an Eternal Plan if humans are in control?

Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."

Back to Adam and Eve....

NKJV - "And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."

No doubt, there are many interpretations behind this passage; much commentary has been written, sharing many ideas about the meaning behind it. But here, our area of focus will be on the phrase, “I will put . . .” The one thing we cannot miss here is that God takes responsibility for the enmity between Adam and Eve and their offspring. And, of course, if God takes responsibility for the hostility between the “two,” doesn’t this throw a wrench into the concept of “free will”? What if the Lord had not caused this hostility? Would it have existed? Would it exist today? This hatred between the two vines is expressed in Prov 29:27:

NLT - “The righteous despise the unjust; the wicked despise the godly.”

Is this hostility not a part of the Holy Curse? It certainly seems to be, as the text in Genesis speaks about those from Above and those from Below (who are fighting against one another, as demonstrated in John 08:23).

NLT – “Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not.”

The text is talking about the offspring of Eve (those who are Holy and Righteous before God) and the offspring of the Devil:

John 08:44 - “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.” So the devil is being referenced as a father to all those who are evil, particularly those of the Seven Nations, called by God to be destroyed and wiped out (by Israel).

Therefore, this indicates that Satan will have his line, or vine of people (who seem to have rejected God), while Eve will have her line and vine of God’s Holy Chosen people (as she carries the Seed of Christ).

Rev 12:17 KJV – “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

To conclude, we see, straight from Day 1 of the timeline, chronological reading plan, that God takes responsibility for causing hostility and enmity between the “two.” And it is through the destruction of this hostility that we find the Purpose of Christ.

Eph 02:13-16 NET – “But now in Christ Jesus you who used to be far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility, when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace, and to reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by which the hostility has been killed.”

Until the wall of hostility has been dealt with by Christ, the Curse which confuses will remain and any sense of “free will” is virtually impossible.
 
freewill existed before adam and eve and the devil had it he chosed to rebelled. You saw it exist does the plan of G-d involves love and choosing to be free. Choose to put you will in G-d's will becuase it cause you conflict like everyone that it's impossible don't be in the box that is fate and destiny and what you decide is cannot be without god already planning it ?

The plan of God of giving thanks always is different of how he put the laws of physics and laws of probabilities in the world don't go to conlfict everything is possible. Know that mistake was made with moses and huldah and eliajh shows that fate can be changed. But still to pray and pray and doing the impossible to change your fate your destiny of being shoemaker or being into a lawyer is possible if you want. G-d has moved the universe and the fate of our humanity in wars with assyrians when he sent an angel, he makes miracles everyday and moves time and universe. ungratefulness is what all say because they have cobnflict say it's impossible God already plan for you everything but he's plan of god about been thankful even when bad things and been faithful and obeying him in good and bad times isn't about the future beenalready planned and impossible to avoid his soveriegn and he chosed the path already !

1. what he planned premptively in how the universe wrks and moves the sun and you have night and day and you age and you were bron in A planet God wrote that. physics work and you do everyday on works and buy groceries and food he establish laws.

2.probablitlies that everything changes and destiny moves constantly even when you don't know and G-d gives you every day to change you lifespan choose a better path by eating vegetables and changing your course of life not making the bad decison going to war and decided to go have job in kentucky and you change routes. everyday people the universe makes cracks in its fabric of how the destiny and chances are made by faith by believing by praying know God hears ya and God moves it all. Everything is possible God has used jews and did incredible things like making kings out of ordinary people makins miracles and making man into prophets and moving the universe for them. God does more thinsg we don't know he does for us becuase he loves us.

3.Don't be like the scientists who say everything is already planned he is a dictator god because he already decided everything for us and didn't let us choose. know if you decided things out of nowhere and you popped out of the planet and God ceases to exist you became God you wouldn't know what was the last things God did, then you will decide everything and you will make so many errors because you can't do what God does, and realese finally he was right and he put things all for A reason. Those scientist agnostic thinks if they were God decided everything realized how hard God life is deciding everything and he gave you all but you made the bad decisions in life. You had all the freedom you woulnd't know what to do with it and just make mistakes and if you were free to do everything and be A god you wouldn't find true love you woulnd't do things you just be the same individual looking for things and think having all the freedom and you decided everything you woulnd't find that special thing God has for youa t the end in heaven. You will be lost and still be unperfect those scientist just blame and if they had everything they will just mess up and realize didn't go their way either and mess up.
 
Isaiah 34:14-17 NIV - "Desert creatures will meet with hyenas, and wild goats will bleat to each other; there the night creatures will also lie down and find for themselves places of rest. 15 The owl will nest there and lay eggs, she will hatch them, and care for her young under the shadow of her wings; there also the falcons will gather, each with its mate. 16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together. 17 He allots their portions; his hand distributes them by measure. They will possess it forever and dwell there from generation to generation."

If the Lord has a detailed, prewritten Plan that outlines the lives of specific animals, how much more does this apply to the Lord's Holy Elect?

Matthew 10:29-31 NKJV - 29 "Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father's will. 30 "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 "Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows."
 
For A reason the lord sent us here, in Jeremiah says he knew before we are born and sent us here on A mission part of his plan, you must find why the plan is and why know. He sent you to save your father , your family to become something in life, and be his witness in the war against God and the devil.Before you came God talk you in heaven and sent you to be born in this world, he talk to us in heaven and gave us A mission in this p´lanet and sent us. He did talk to us and told us and came here to know our mission for A special purpose we all have it. So know you have A purpose and special and he wants us to do it but simply timothy group you don't know yours try to find why he sent you here about your fmaily your girl and something special.

Simple choose God anyways be wise and serve him. Can we change this world and destiny it's simply not how you want it put things in God's hands and rest will come and he's love is forever.
 
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This man is very wise saw the video tenchi, Macarthur is right in some things.
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Like what?
Half of what he believes he attributes to MYSTERIES.
I mean, Jesus came to us so we could not teach some things because they're covered in myster?
 
grumix8 said:
For A reason the lord sent us here, in Jeremiah says he knew before we are born and sent us here on A mission part of his plan, you must find why the plan is and why know. He sent you to save your father , your family to become something in life, and be his witness in the war against God and the devil.Before you came God talk you in heaven and sent you to be born in this world, he talk to us in heaven and gave us A mission in this p´lanet and sent us. He did talk to us and told us and came here to know our mission for A special purpose we all have it. So know you have A purpose and special and he wants us to do it but simply timothy group you don't know yours try to find why he sent you here about your fmaily your girl and something special.

Simple choose God anyways be wise and serve him. Can we change this world and destiny it's simply not how you want it put things in God's hands and rest will come and he's love is forever.
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2nd Timothy Group won't know you wrote to him unless you click on the REPLY button down at the right hand side, OR tag him in by using this @ plus his avatar name.
 
Everything about God is mystery, Jesus wants to trust in him. That man is skeptical but still in this long road in finding truth and all the corners of freewill it is not easy. But all for a purpose is in theologya nd scripture all has secret and for purpose.
 
Currently God allows us our will/choices.
Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.

But in the end of all matters it will be the words of Christ that prevail.
“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28“ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29“ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

Prayers=>"Our Father who is in heaven" "May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven"
 
Re: Free Will is the ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition. For the will to be free it must act from a posture of neutrality, with absolutely no bias.
2nd Timothy Group said:
This is beautiful. Who wrote this definition?
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Hmmm, I am not sure.... sorry. https://www.theopedia.com/free-will comes close.

God, before creation, knows all things. Nothing is ‘no thing’. How could God obtain knowledge from nothing? Rather, God being the only ‘something’ at one time is the cause/determiner of all things and thereby knows all things. In other words, one can know something by either determining it or learning it. Therefore, fore-knowledge of non-existent beings is impossible if it is not determined by God. Therefore, "free will" is imaginary.
 
Free will is proven 30 times a day by everyone. Who told you to put some creamer in your coffee? Who is it that chooses your brand of cereal? Who was it that made you decide to believe this or that? No one makes these decisions for us, our own free will is what made the choice.

God is a fair God and a Just God. So He does not force Himself on anyone. I hear it coming, someone will say, that people can not approach the Lord unless the Father draws them to Himself...

It takes a real peanut brain to miss the point of the passage.

All that means is that the Lord loves you and so will try talking to every day through your conscience to entice you to follow His path which teaches that He loved you first and you will find life with Him. But He leaves it up to our choice. At some point we would learn that He loved us fist and so then we can choose to love Him.

So essentially, Free Will is a spiritual gift to us.
 
Fastfredy0 said:
God, before creation, knows all things. Nothing is ‘no thing’. How could God obtain knowledge from nothing? Rather, God being the only ‘something’ at one time is the cause/determiner of all things and thereby knows all things. In other words, one can know something by either determining it or learning it. Therefore, fore-knowledge of non-existent beings is impossible if it is not determined by God. Therefore, "free will" is imaginary.
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This is an example of a misunderstanding of modal logic, which is something Dr. William Lane Craig has addressed repeatedly in responding to Reform theologians. The above quotation sets out a false dilemma that rests on this misunderstanding. God is the Ultimate Cause of everything but this does not necessitate Him being the direct, immediate cause of someone's choice, meticulously ordering that choice by sovereign decree as the Reformed believer often asserts. Molinism is a great alternative soteriological systematic to the Reformed one in this regard (and many others), avoiding the modal logic error Reformed thinkers wander into in the manner demonstrated above. Here's a link to a pertinent explanation from Dr. Craig. You will have to don your thinking cap in order to read it, however.

Foreknowledge and Fatalism Once More | Reasonable Faith

Dear Dr. Craig, our question is regarding the compatibility of divine foreknowledge and human freedom. It is something we have been debating about a lot but cannot come to grips. Sources: Defenders Podcast: Series 2 (May 23, 2010) > Doctrine of God (part 14) & The Only Wise God You state the...
www.reasonablefaith.org www.reasonablefaith.org
 
Tenchi said:
This is an example of a misunderstanding of modal logic, which is something Dr. William Lane Craig has addressed repeatedly in responding to Reform theologians. The above quotation sets out a false dilemma that rests on this misunderstanding. God is the Ultimate Cause of everything but this does not necessitate Him being the direct, immediate cause of someone's choice, meticulously ordering that choice by sovereign decree as the Reformed believer often asserts. Molinism is a great alternative soteriological systematic to the Reformed one in this regard (and many others), avoiding the modal logic error Reformed thinkers wander into in the manner demonstrated above. Here's a link to a pertinent explanation from Dr. Craig. You will have to don your thinking cap in order to read it, however.

Foreknowledge and Fatalism Once More | Reasonable Faith

Dear Dr. Craig, our question is regarding the compatibility of divine foreknowledge and human freedom. It is something we have been debating about a lot but cannot come to grips. Sources: Defenders Podcast: Series 2 (May 23, 2010) > Doctrine of God (part 14) & The Only Wise God You state the...
www.reasonablefaith.org www.reasonablefaith.org
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Hi T,
I'm not going to be informed enough to discuss this and I kind of hate to reopen this thread,
but I wanted to ask you this:
Don't you think modalism is just a step away from predestination?
If God sets up the perfect situation so that a person will choose what God wants him to choose, isn't that total control with no real free will for the agent?
 
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