Is freewill biblical or something the modern world invented ?

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the conscience and freewill is linked and both show what is the way. Because like A famous saying says " We exist therefore we are, and we are because we exist ". Complex statment by many philosphers. different ways said but which one would you use ?

Here is another form of explaining freewil and consciousness.


 
See that the commandments have to do witht he will the lord spoke and gave commandments this is why were giving freewill because they were written in our heart.

everything is connected and shows the plan of God and secrets inside of it. Truly not only is God's will in his plan but to put things in God's hands, child of heart, the wil of God, the law of eden, the laws of noah, and the 10 commandments and 613 commandments in their and put love shows us the secrets of the plan of God.
 
Because one you have since Adam " Choice " he can choose and not like the devil you can change your tinking that everything is decide you have to think outside the box ! People here the conlflict so many people is your freewill because everything is predestined you think you never had any choice God gave you A choice ! You were sent here by God A long time ago for God said he met you and knew you before you were concieved in your mother's womb. You ahve planned God sent you, you don't know it ! Yet. Were all part of God's divine plan and when he sent you here before you came to this world he gave A mission ! What is your mission or purpose ?

You can decide to use God's will, holy spirit , God's plan (it's all separeted but works for his plan at the end!) and love in his mission your purpose or don't know and live in ignorance an sin ! He give you choice and does not force yourself to do his bidding if so you would not have fredom to choose also from JEsus salvation which he agve freely from love !
 
grumix8 said:
Because one you have since Adam " Choice " he can choose and not like the devil you can change your tinking that everything is decide you have to think outside the box ! People here the conlflict so many people is your freewill because everything is predestined you think you never had any choice God gave you A choice ! You were sent here by God A long time ago for God said he met you and knew you before you were concieved in your mother's womb. You ahve planned God sent you, you don't know it ! Yet. Were all part of God's divine plan and when he sent you here before you came to this world he gave A mission ! What is your mission or purpose ?

You can decide to use God's will, holy spirit , God's plan (it's all separeted but works for his plan at the end!) and love in his mission your purpose or don't know and live in ignorance an sin ! He give you choice and does not force yourself to do his bidding if so you would not have fredom to choose also from JEsus salvation which he agve freely from love !
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My purpose as a Christian is to bring the Lord glory in all I do in this life. Rhe only way that can happen is by the filling and leading of Holy Spirit. The unsaved cannot do this.

Again any choice I make is influenced either by lingering sin in my life or Holy Spirit. The flesh is weak, the Spirit is willing.
 
Instinct is part of freewill but also consciousness you feel there for you exist you talk therefore you exist.

God said that man has eaten of the fruti of good and evil and said Genesis 3:22

22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”

Be like god and the angels who knew good and evil !

Man is not God but it's show we can interact in good and evil but still it is that we can do why people ? Understand the freewill is biblical and is before our creation and it existed in one individual I do not like talking about but in " Lucifer ". He had freewill and unlike it was impossible for angels by many theologist for angels to concieve freedom and think for themselves proves the same questions exist before us with angels and they had choice and could escape their destiny and Lucifer chosed wrong. Lesson that our minds do come in question whether your free or you prisioner of yourself to be free is A mentality and put in God's way in his hands gives you freedom !
 
Yes, our purpose was not good or evil and by human fault we felled. If the tree was not their we would of fallen one will ask ? Nope, everything has plan and God never wanted man in this position what was the purpose of the tree afterwards ? if he would never eaten of it would of other animals eat of it and not man ? or later remove as time passed ? We will never know ? What was really the purpose just as A test of not to be eaten and later remove by God ?
 
So if man does truly have a free will, what is the point and why does it matter?
 
But still we know God said that man was like him and the angels that knoweth good and evil ! And still we realize the devil had freewill before us and he fell ! But we know that in our error of Adam we can decide not like the devil but do good in the mistake and rely on God's effort and not our owns and put things in God's hands. Our destiny can change and move but some of you question we cannot escape him or his destiny he saved for us.

The question do you want the destiny he did not prepare and leave us in possibility of A million to one what will happen and man just be thrown in space and let him decide ? What will be the outcome if you can plan everyhing since your born from A baby and turn into an adult that instance and God gave you all the power of the future and destiny you wanted ? you will know what you know and you will make A decision better ?
 
Do you know your mission in life and purpose ? Do you understand your freedom and putting your will with God and he's and yours become one ? If you do the plan of God exerciseing your freewill then you know those secrets of his plan ;D.
 
grumix8 said:
Do you know your mission in life and purpose ? Do you understand your freedom and putting your will with God and he's and yours become one ? If you do the plan of God exerciseing your freewill then you know those secrets of his plan ;D.
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Secrets of His plan?

Everything He wants His people to do are right in His written word.

No secret there.
 
Once you know and read the bible know what is will and do it ! But some things in secret that are in hebrew are not in english you say you know god's word ? Do you speak hebrew because it means A different thing than what you know and you ask what is freewill ? Something tells me you do not know because if you did you will not post here , would you ? Do his word for his commandments are in your heart and your read the bible his commands are directed to Jews and to gentiles ! It is not the same elected greek defintion from hebrew definition is different and their meaning is different.

Find the secret of your heart and do it with his 2 commands love thy father and thy neighbor and you will unlock his secret in the bible.
 
Fastfredy0 said:
Well, that's an interesting theory. What evidence do you have to support it?
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Odd to think of it as my theory. It's just stuff I've heard or been taught over the years.
Scriptures about seeking and doors being opened back up this theory.

Romans 1:20 substantiates the idea God makes himself known to everyone through his creation.
Then it's up to them to seek: "For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." Matthew 7:8
God knows their hearts. “man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart” (1 Samuel 16:7 ).

Premise 1: God reveals himself to everyone.
Premise 1: God knows the desires of their heart.
Conclusion: People's free will remains intact since they are given a choice to seek the things of God after God reveals himself. They are therefore without excuse given their choice to not seek.

If more of the 2 billion people who never heard of Christ choose to seek, more doors would be opened like in the case of Akiane Kramarik and Helen Keller. Keller was deaf and blind before she was 2 years old. Yet she knew of God before anyone told her. She sought and, through a remarkable story of overcoming communication obstacles, eventually found Jesus.

I don't think Romans 11:17 supports the idea people are being denied free will unless they actually hear about Christ. Hearing about Christ is downstream of their initial choice of whether or not to seek the things of God.
 
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A friend posted this !

1689dave said :

Originally Posted by Brightfame52 View Post
Since God controls our choices, mans will isnt free from Gods control, His Purpose, is that right ?
God controls every choice every person freely makes causing them to align with His unchangeable eternal plan. He controls us through the reasons He sends for us to base our choices on. Yet we choose what we want most based on these reasons so we incur the guilt or blessing that comes from the choice.
 
Brightframe:
Not only is mans will not free from the Sovereign control of Gods will and purpose, neither is mans free from his wicked sinful nature, for by nature we are all slaves to our sin nature which is controled by the devil. Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
grumix8 said:
Once you know and read the bible know what is will and do it ! But some things in secret that are in hebrew are not in english you say you know god's word ? Do you speak hebrew because it means A different thing than what you know and you ask what is freewill ? Something tells me you do not know because if you did you will not post here , would you ? Do his word for his commandments are in your heart and your read the bible his commands are directed to Jews and to gentiles ! It is not the same elected greek defintion from hebrew definition is different and their meaning is different.

Find the secret of your heart and do it with his 2 commands love thy father and thy neighbor and you will unlock his secret in the bible.
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But some things in secret that are in hebrew are not in english you say you know god's word ? Do you speak hebrew because it means A different thing than what you know and you ask what is freewill ?
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Are you suggesting outside of the Bible?

Do I need to speak Hebrew to understand Gods written word? Did the translators get it wrong?

This makes no sense.
 
grumix8 said:
Brightframe:
Not only is mans will not free from the Sovereign control of Gods will and purpose, neither is mans free from his wicked sinful nature, for by nature we are all slaves to our sin nature which is controled by the devil. Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
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Free will to sin.

The above verse shows that the unregenerate are controlled by Satan. No free will there.
 
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
By nature, while spiritually dead, we walk according to the prince of the power of the air, a spirit that remains at work in the unbelievers, constituting them disobedient, and unfortunaetly there is no way to freewill ourselves out from under this control, and our wills are under this mighty control.
Jesus calls it being a servant or slave to sin Jn 8:34
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Folks this describes all of us by nature, until, if Jesus is so pleased, to quicken us from this spiritual death and slavery.
 
What exactly do you believe?

Does man have free will or not?

One either is controlled by sin or by Holy Spirit. If that is true , how do you have free will?
 
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