lest ye should be wise in your own conceits...

[jasoncran]

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2013/07/17/madonna-celebrates-sons-bar-mitzvah/

this is revalant to show you that jews do this, but well Madonna is hardly what a jewess is supposed to be. for a good idea i will post something about mayim balik she is an orthodox jew and also does the kabbalah and they are close to what we teach on sexual purity. that is if you are interested. i suggest if you want to study what isreal is then go to the jews to see what isreal is both land and in their faith. then look at futurism and see that it cant be as the jews have myriads of ideas on the moshiac.

 

[gr8grace]

You mean like this..

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Do you take this as " every individual" that is racially Jew?

I'm assuming you mean "all Israel" ? If so, Paul tells us that not all Israel is Israel... Any Israelite was justified by faith and there are obviously countless Israelites justified by faith long before Christ.

This is the Israel of God.

I am with ya.

 

[Eventide]

You mean like this..

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Do you take this as " every individual" that is racially Jew?

I'm assuming you mean "all Israel" ? If so, Paul tells us that not all Israel is Israel... Any Israelite was justified by faith and there are obviously countless Israelites justified by faith long before Christ.

This is the Israel of God.

I am with ya.

I enjoy your commentary gr8, thanks for sharing !

 

[George Muller]

Ro 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.



Very odd, how some are ready to save a whole nation, by "election" apart from them even having faith and enemies of the gospel, but are unable or unwilling to accept the sure "election" of those who believe the gospel and are sealed with the Holy Spirit.:

 

[Eventide]

In the REGENERATION...

SO how do we know that All Israel shall be saved in the end...?

Well, there are many ways, and here's a huge one in the gospel of Matthew with respect to the regeneration.

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

We're told that in the regeneration (which certainly shall be hereafter), when the Son of man sits in the throne of His glory, that His Apostles (resurrected of course) will also sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel..

Connect this (Matt 19) with Matt 25 and we see that the Lord will sit in the throne of His glory when He comes in His glory.

 

[Eventide]

Ro 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.



Very odd, how some are ready to save a whole nation, by "election" apart from them even having faith and enemies of the gospel, but are unable or unwilling to accept the sure "election" of those who believe the gospel and are sealed with the Holy Spirit.:

George, you're simply full of straw men today.... because nobody is unwilling to accept that we (the body of Christ) are the elect of God in CHRIST... the only difference is that you've been taught that YOU are the elect of God unconditionally, whereas most of the church of God understands that we're the elect of God in CHRIST... not because we are, but because HE IS. We understand that it's Christ in me, and not Christ and me.

I also am aware that most Calvinists must put on their amillennial hats because that's what you've been taught concerning eschatology... so stick around and we might uncover some interesting things here.

 

[reba]

Who is "all Israel?"

 

[Eventide]

Who is "all Israel?"

Reba, I believe that Paul means every Israelite justified by faith... That doesn't mean every Israelite, but rather only those justified by faith. This is the Israel of God.

 

[reba]

so around the circle we go all does not mean all Thanks ET I will drop the question...

 

[Eventide]

It could be a little hard to understand but not IMO...

When Paul speaks of all Israel being saved, he is speaking of the Israel of God... Which isn't all Israel, but rather only those who are justified by faith.

For example, many of the Pharisees were Israelites, but they were not the Israel of God.

 

[Eventide]

Thnk of it like the church... There are many who claim to be Christians, but in reality that number is less... For those who are truly in Christ, and having Christ in them.

 

[Deborah13]

This is a significant problem within the body of Christ today, ignoring the mystery pertaining to Israel.

This is what I believe, that there will be a great revival among the Jews, that many, many will come to Christ.

Zechariah 12:10 KJV
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Matthew 23:39 KJV
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[Eventide]

This is what I believe, that there will be a great revival among the Jews, that many, many will come to Christ.

Deb, awesome scriptures which are right on topic here...

The prophet Zechariah speaks of two thirds being cut off and the remainder being brought through the fire.. and that is within the context of the nation of Israel... Rev 12 shows us the woman being with child... and then protected in the wilderness etc.

And as amazing as this is... try to think of the larger picture as well... I think that tim-from-pa has made huge points in that there is so much more to these things.. than simply what we know through the church of God.

 

[n2thelight]

1 Corinthians 12:12-14

King James Version (KJV)

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.


Romans 10:11-13

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




Romans 3:28-30

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.


Romans 9:23-25

King James Version (KJV)

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.


Ephesians 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Rev 7 1-8 the 144,000 but wait...there's more:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


satan tries to fool many into thinking the tribulation is for Jews only and the warning Jesus Christ gives against the so called "pre trib rapture" is for Jews only in matt 24 mark 13 Luke 21 which is a lie.
Jesus Christ died for all, race doesn't matter concerning salvation, either one believes in and ON Jesus Christ and refuses to worship satan or one doesn't. Being Jew or gentlie alone will NOT get someone into heaven. the devil adds the mistiming of pre trib to paul's quote of matt 24:30-31 and makes out as if the church is going to be gathered first when Jesus Christ says His return and our gathering is after the tribulation and in matt 13 makes it plain the tares will be gathered first.

Jesus Christ says before the 2nd advent rapture false Christs come claiming to be Him matt 24:4-5,mark 13 :5-6, luke 21:8, matt 24:21-28, mark 13:19-29 and for believers to NOT follow after them for His coming is post trib matt 24:29-31,mark 13/luke 21. paul also says the Lord's return and our rapture to Him shall not come till the falling away 1st and satan is revealed to be worshiped and repeats the Lord is him who's parousia is after the working of satan

the devil is very crafty using race as if being another color makes a difference, we're all members of the same body of Christ Jesus by faith, satan wants all he can to think the coming of false Christs is Jesus coming to fly them away before the tribulation only they lead to satan claiming to be God on the mount.

:amen Don't know how this post was just totally ignored,however the fact remains,you cannot seperate the Church from Israel......

 

[reba]

God has had a people from the beginning We are all one in Him. Division is for the politicians

 

[Eventide]

Perhaps the Apostle to the GENTILES doesn't know what he is talking about... Israel blinded in part until the fullness of the GENTILES be come in.. ?

The Deliverer coming from Sion and turning ungodliness from JACOB...?

The Apostles of the Lamb sitting upon twelve thrones in the regeneration when the LORD sits in the throne of His glory..?

Perhaps we should simply remain wise in our own conceits... Evidently it seems a lot easier than believing what the word of God actually says..?

 

[n2thelight]

The book of Romans teaches that God has not forgotten nor cast away Israel--his people which he foreknew--but they have to be saved by the blood of Jesus like anyone else and they have to obey the scriptures like anyone else. We are now one family--the Israel of God.
The Bible teaches that there is a dichotomy between the Jew's religion and the church of God--the Jew's religion is a false religion, NOT the counterpart of the gospel. Paul was a Jewish man, in the Jewish religion. He left the Jews' religion and came into the church of God--

Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:​

Us sinners of the Gentiles, leave the ways of the heathen Gentiles and come into the church of God.

1 Corinthians 12:2 Ye know that ye WERE Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.​

First Corinthians 10:32 shows the three groups:

Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:​

The L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] our God is one L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE]. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

1 Corinthians 12:12-14

King James Version (KJV)

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.


Romans 10:11-13

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




Romans 3:28-30

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.


Romans 9:23-25

King James Version (KJV)

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.


Ephesians 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Rev 7 1-8 the 144,000 but wait...there's more:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


satan tries to fool many into thinking the tribulation is for Jews only and the warning Jesus Christ gives against the so called "pre trib rapture" is for Jews only in matt 24 mark 13 Luke 21 which is a lie.
Jesus Christ died for all, race doesn't matter concerning salvation, either one believes in and ON Jesus Christ and refuses to worship satan or one doesn't. Being Jew or gentlie alone will NOT get someone into heaven. the devil adds the mistiming of pre trib to paul's quote of matt 24:30-31 and makes out as if the church is going to be gathered first when Jesus Christ says His return and our gathering is after the tribulation and in matt 13 makes it plain the tares will be gathered first.

Jesus Christ says before the 2nd advent rapture false Christs come claiming to be Him matt 24:4-5,mark 13 :5-6, luke 21:8, matt 24:21-28, mark 13:19-29 and for believers to NOT follow after them for His coming is post trib matt 24:29-31,mark 13/luke 21. paul also says the Lord's return and our rapture to Him shall not come till the falling away 1st and satan is revealed to be worshiped and repeats the Lord is him who's parousia is after the working of satan

the devil is very crafty using race as if being another color makes a difference, we're all members of the same body of Christ Jesus by faith, satan wants all he can to think the coming of false Christs is Jesus coming to fly them away before the tribulation only they lead to satan claiming to be God on the mount.

:amen Don't know how this post was just totally ignored,however the fact remains,you cannot seperate the Church from Israel......

AGREED


Romans 9:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.




Hebrews 8:7-9

King James Version (KJV)

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.






Jeremiah 3:7-9

King James Version (KJV)

7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.






satan tries to use the Jews only routine or separation based onn race concerning Israel and the church to lead as many away from the warnings Jesus Christ gives in matt 24,mark 13 & luke 21 concerning believers going through the tribulation of false Christs

 

[jasoncran]

exactly [MENTION=47381]reba[/MENTION]. the nation of isreal that has come to Christ is and must be part of the church.the location of the jewish saved soul and whether he or she is genetically a jew or a converted gentile that is now a jew matters not.a ll must be in Christ.

 

[Eugene]

the nation of isreal that has come to Christ is and must be part of the church.the location of the jewish saved soul and whether he or she is genetically a jew or a converted gentile that is now a jew matters not.a ll must be in Christ.

Wouldn't you say that all since Adam that believed are in Christ, and yet are not a part of the Church? Do you believe Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved is restricted to this present time? Thanks and I'll not comment unless asked to, but am interested in your thoughts of it.