Truthfrees
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amen - i agree - that was a great post by jerry63935
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Must the commandments in the O.T. be obeyed in order to be/remain saved?
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Stating your opinion and then tagging your opinion with a scripture reference doesn’t prove anything.
Not one single scripture in the New Testament says the law of Moses is not abolished.
Scripture does not contradict scripture.
The law of Moses has been abolished in His flesh, nailed to the cross and taken out of the way, because it has been fulfilled.
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. Ephesians 2:14-16
- having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances
Undeniable and Irrefutable.
Here is what Jesus said about the law of Moses —
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses.
KEY WORD — Till; Until
Nothing will pass from the law UNTIL it has been fulfilled.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.
He says it again here —
Paul says it this way using the same word UNTIL concerning the law.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19
- What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come
The Seed has indeed come, and fulfilled the law, and therefore it has been abolished in His flesh having been nailed to the cross because it became obsolete.
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:13-17
- having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
The law of Moses has been nailed to the cross.
IRREFUTABLE.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:18
The Holy Spirit does not lead people to keep the law of Moses.
JLB
GodsGrace
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JLB
Truthfrees is required to obey what the Holy Spirit has revealed to HIM.
No one on this forum can criticize the Holy Spirit...
Each one of us needs something different to follow God IN SPIRIT...
If the law (whatever that means to a person) is follow in spirit....then that person is doing the right thing.
We must live by what God tells us...
not by what we tell each other.
God knows better than we do.
Wondering
The Holy Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:18
The scripture plainly instructs us that the law of Moses was temporary being added until the Seed should come.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19
Jesus said nothing would pass from the law, until it has been fulfilled.
Do you believe Jesus fulfilled the law?
JLB
GodsGrace
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No. Not the way you believe Jesus fulfilled the law.
The way you and Drew and Earnest T. Bass understand FULFILL makes it mean exactly the same as ABOLISH.
Jesus did NOT abolish all the Law.
And if someone is not sinning, it's not our place to suggest they do NOT OBEY God and start sinning by DISOBEYING Him.
Each one of us needs something different to follow God???
That would be promoting division.
We are all to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as given to us in the New Testament.
Observing special food
Observing special days
Wearing special clothing
Saying special Hebrew words
These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. Colossians 2:16-23
If people want to keep feast days or eat kosher, or whatever, it’s up to them, but it has nothing to do with the new covenant and certainly doesn’t mean we are obligated to keep the law of Moses, which has been abolished.
Paul says it this way —
For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
Galatians 2:19
This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 2:3-4
JLB
Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
I believe Jesus fulfilled the law, because He said He came to fulfill the law.
You are free to believe what you want.
JLB
GodsGrace
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But that's what you're doing by telling another member it's OK for them to do something God's Holy Spirit is telling them not to do (or DO, whatever the case may be).
Romans 14:1
14 Give a warm welcome to any brother who wants to join you, even though his faith is weak. Don’t criticize him for having different ideas from yours about what is right and wrong.
Please read what Jesus said.
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18
- I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.
- one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Nothing will pass from the law UNTIL.... it’s been fulfilled.
Guess what?
Its been fulfilled.
Which is why Paul said it’s been nailed to the cross and abolished in His flesh.
I have quoted the scriptures 10x and you blatantly refuse to even acknowledge what they say.
We no longer have to sacrifice animals, on the Sabbath, because Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses concerning this, as He Himself is the substance of that shadow.
And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10
If you change one thing, even a jot or tittle from the law of Moses, then it has been abolished.
The whole priesthood has changed and therefore the law has changed. That would be much more that a jot or tittle.
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12
Can you acknowledge that the law has changed?
Can you acknowledge that we are under the law of Christ, not the law of Moses?
JLB
Im telling everyone that the Holy Spirit does not lead Christians to keep the law of Moses.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:18
This doctrine you are promoting is way more dangerous than Calvinism.
JLB
GodsGrace
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Jesus said He did not come to ABOLISH
but to FULFILL.
Which means that FULFILL means something different than ABOLISH...
You're confirming that He came to abolish....He said He did NOT COME TO ABOLISH.
The Law of God has NOT changed and will never change.
If we have different meaning for words,,,
then there's no use in continuing with this thread.
I was hoping to come to an agreement on meanings,,,
but we cannot and it's causing discord.
PLEASE CLOSE DOWN THIS THREAD.
Truthfrees
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We are no longer under the Levitical Priesthood that governed the law of Moses. Therefore the law has changed.
Our High Priest is Jesus Christ.
He is a Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him. Hebrews 7:10
Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. For He testifies:
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Hebrews 7:11-18
- For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect;
JLB
Read the next verse...
Nothing will pass from the law until it’s fulfilled.
Until means temporary.
JLB
stovebolts
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Thread is unlocked.
Let‘s try again, but let’s see how many things are the same in the law of Moses and the New Covenant.
The fulfillment of the law is love, which is promoted and expounded upon in the New Covenant.
On this I hope we can all agree.
Yes the “moral law” remains a common thread throughout both the old covenant and the new covenant.
My main point is the “moral law”, which is the law of love, was always established in the Abrahamic Covenant, the covenant we are under to today, which has been refreshed, or renewed as is now called the new covenant.
So with that being said, the law of Moses, which was added until the Seed should come, can indeed be changed, or set aside, removed or abolished, without affecting the core Covenant it was added to.
JLB