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[zeke]

Perhaps the proper questions should be asked.

1. "Will God forgive the sinner?"
2. "Will God forgive the wicked"
3. "Does God ever change his mind"
4. "Is God able to repent"

1. Yes--with conditions.
2. Yes--with conditions.
3. Yes
4. Yes

If the answer is yes, does God do these things out of hatred for the sinner, or out of love for the sinner?

Out of ‘long-suffering’ love.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
(2 Peter 3:9)

Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.
(Jon 3:10)​

 

[stovebolts]

Congratulations Zeke, you get a cookie! :D

The Good news is that God is all those things and yes, he's long suffering.

I seem to recall that we were charged to go out and preach the "good news"... So I have to question why some people are so hell bent on preaching that God hates them...

 

[zeke]

Congratulations Zeke, you get a cookie! :D

The Good news is that God is all those things and yes, he's long suffering.

I seem to recall that we were charged to go out and preach the "good news"... So I have to question why some people are so hell bent on preaching that God hates them...

I question that same notion - especially since we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. Thank God that He "demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us".

What kind of cookie?

 

[reba]

Perhaps the proper questions should be asked.

1. "Will God forgive the sinner?"
2. "Will God forgive the wicked"
3. "Does God ever change his mind"
4. "Is God able to repent"


If the answer is yes, does God do these things out of hatred for the sinner, or out of love for the sinner?

I doubt anyone will seriously address these questions.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


I recall a story of Moses talking with God and God changing His mind? We have scriptures of God talking about repenting.


Will/do folks go to hell?
Do some folks not repent?

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
By who's and what standard are folks condemned?

 

[reba]

Luk 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Again IMO God's love does not look/read/feel/ like the love of teddy bear.

I fear we are so intrenched at this time in the love of God not understanding just what love is... Did God love the population of the world at the time of Noah? Did He just love Noah more? May He just loved them differently....
Most of the stories we read in the OT do not show a fluffy God type love. They show a love of One who is all powerful etc. Was it love of the citizen of Jericho that fell the city or love of the Israelites?

 

[Hitch]

Does God ever change his mind.?:eeeekkk

Ya know that thing about 'no such thing as a stupid question ' well here is proof of the contrary.

Interesting Stove that you follow your smear wrt cultism with this nod toward Open Theism.

This is not the Open Theism thread.

 

[Hitch]

'I never loved you depart from me. ':biglol ( notice the declaration come from the Lord, 'I never loved you' ... )

7 Until I came into the sanctuary of God;
Then I perceived their end.
18 Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?


You still cant answer the questions.


Poor zeke

 

[zeke]

Luk 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Again IMO God's love does not look/read/feel/ like the love of teddy bear.

I fear we are so intrenched at this time in the love of God not understanding just what love is... Did God love the population of the world at the time of Noah? Did He just love Noah more? May He just loved them differently....
Most of the stories we read in the OT do not show a fluffy God type love. They show a love of One who is all powerful etc. Was it love of the citizen of Jericho that fell the city or love of the Israelites?

I don’t think anyone considers God to be a ‘teddy bear†– God is what He has revealed Himself to be – a just and loving God who loved our race so much that he gave his only begotten Son to die in our stead…

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
(Joh 3:16 NKJV)

The verse negates the idea that a great many persons seem to have: that God is represented in Scriptures as a stern, angry Judge waiting to destroy men because of their sins, but that Jesus Christ, in some way or other, has made it possible for God to come out in love to sinners. In other words, that Christ loved us enough to die for us and, having atoned for our sins, God can now love us and be merciful to us. But that is an utter perversion of the gospel. Jesus Christ did not die to enable God to love sinners, but “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son.†~ Ironside​

 

[zeke]

'I never loved you depart from me. ':biglol ( notice the declaration come from the Lord, 'I never loved you' ... )

7 Until I came into the sanctuary of God;
Then I perceived their end.
18 Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?


You still cant answer the questions.

<yawn>

Is this what you are reduced to---repetitive posing that means nothing. Can you not defend your thread with anything of substance? Obviously you cannot.

 

[Hitch]

<yawn>

Is this what you are reduced to---repetitive posing that means nothing. Can you not defend your thread with anything of substance? Obviously you cannot.

So it was you best answer - typical. ;)


Dont worry Zeke we all pretend no to notice .

 

[reba]

Zeke does John 3 :16 negate John 3:18

I am not so much thinking about Christians but others, folks who have not read scripture, who have the concept that what ever they do is ok because God is love...

 

[Hitch]

Perhaps the proper questions should be asked.

1. "Will God forgive the sinner?"
2. "Will God forgive the wicked"
3. "Does God ever change his mind"
4. "Is God able to repent"


If the answer is yes, does God do these things out of hatred for the sinner, or out of love for the sinner?

I doubt anyone will seriously address these questions.

LOL Exactly which sins or mistakes do you think God should repent of Stove?

 

[zeke]

Zeke does John 3 :16 negate John 3:18

Not at all – the Bible doesn’t contradict itself.

I am not so much thinking about Christians but others, folks who have not read scripture, who have the concept that what ever they do is ok because God is love...

I understand what you are saying – many naively think God will not hold them accountable for their behavior but He does – and the one who does not believe is condemned already (John 3:18).

 

[Hitch]

No worries my friend and you cannot defend your thread with anything of substance - can you? Sad.

'I never loved you depart from me. ':biglol ( notice the declaration come from the Lord, 'I never loved you' ... )

7 Until I came into the sanctuary of God;
Then I perceived their end.
18 Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?


You still cant answer the questions.

Poor Zeke

 

[Hitch]

Congratulations Zeke, you get a cookie! :D

The Good news is that God is all those things and yes, he's long suffering.

I seem to recall that we were charged to go out and preach the "good news"... So I have to question why some people are so hell bent on preaching that God hates them...

Is there some part of the OP this responds to or is it just another example of your highjacking technique ?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: Hide&Zeke

'I never loved you depart from me. ':biglol ( notice the declaration come from the Lord, 'I never loved you' ... )

I've haven't been following this thread too closely, but where are you getting this verse, Matthew 7?

 

[Hitch]

Re: Hide&Zeke

I've haven't been following this thread too closely, but where are you getting this verse, Matthew 7?

Matthew 7 is correct.

 

[zeke]

Keep to topic Zeke.

Trying to Hitch but you keep veering off the runway. You continue to misquote the Bible and your questions have no relevance to the topic. You are becoming 'self-marginalized' on your own thread due to your odd antics and repetitive posts. Give it a second try and let's see what you have. :yes

 

[Vic C.]

:bigfrown Can we please got back to and stay on topic? :bigfrown

 

[felix]

Congratulations Zeke, you get a cookie! :D

The Good news is that God is all those things and yes, he's long suffering.

I seem to recall that we were charged to go out and preach the "good news"... So I have to question why some people are so hell bent on preaching that God hates them...

So, what is this so called "good news" Christ wants us to preach? God's Love? NO!!!

(Luke 24:46-47) Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Not satisfied?

(Rev 14:6-7) Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."

The good news is all about God's Judgment and His Wrath and warning people to repent and get forgiveness from God - Not about preaching how loving God is.

EDIT: The reason why it is called "good" is because, we now can escape God's Judgment and His Wrath through Christ, His Son.