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the seeds on the wayside have no chance as the wayside is a path that has dirt packed much like a old cow path . different levels of hearing wayside never had any roots in the rocks they never developed a solid root system those who fell in the thorns was chocked out they let the world take over those on the good ground are the receptive hearers i prefer mark .i preached this last sunday night i am not going into the requirements of salvation . the jailer figured that out

The jailer was told the same way of salvation as Jesus taught us here in this teaching.

So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:31



Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

  • lest they should believe and be saved.


Is there more a person must do to be saved, besides believe?




JLB
 
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different levels of hearers in this case they never had any real root . so if we use this as a lose of salvation ..they never was saved to begin with
How could you believe that!
JESUS said they believed for a while...temporarily.
If one believes he is saved.

Are you changing the meaning of BELIEVE?

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "
 
That all makes perfect sense to me.
Now where does the older brother fit in with all this?

The older brother was a faithful son who would inherit all that the father had, but was frustrated with how his unfaithful brother was being celebrated, because he did not yet understand what it meant to have a son of age who went astray and returned in humility.



JLB
 
How could you believe that!
JESUS said they believed for a while...temporarily.
If one believes he is saved.

Are you changing the meaning of BELIEVE?

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "
we have 4 different types soil the seed falls into wayside is a type dirt road/path worn down cattle makes path and nothing grows on it. it would be compared to trying to plant grass on a gravel road that is traveled every day. impossible ..then we have the rocky soil a plant will grow in between rocks .but will not survive very long .then those among the thorns if the briars are not cleared away it will choke it out evenly.
we have the good soil any seed will grow in well prepared ground. back to the way side the seed feel on hard dirt .no chance at all the rocks the thorns you interpret it how you want.. personally i dont buy this temporally . thats like having cancer of the lung .remove the lung that has cancer and not treat the body to kill other cancer cells out .especially if its progressed very far . your either saved or your not saved .once again you can disagree .i dont ask you to agree with me
 
we have 4 different types soil the seed falls into wayside is a type dirt road/path worn down cattle makes path and nothing grows on it. it would be compared to trying to plant grass on a gravel road that is traveled every day. impossible ..then we have the rocky soil a plant will grow in between rocks .but will not survive very long .then those among the thorns if the briars are not cleared away it will choke it out evenly.
we have the good soil any seed will grow in well prepared ground. back to the way side the seed feel on hard dirt .no chance at all the rocks the thorns you interpret it how you want.. personally i dont buy this temporally . thats like having cancer of the lung .remove the lung that has cancer and not treat the body to kill other cancer cells out .especially if its progressed very far . your either saved or your not saved .once again you can disagree .i dont ask you to agree with me
Jerry, you always say we don't have to agree with you.
We all know that!
I'm not here to have a formal debate.

It's not that I can interpret something how I want....
What more could we ask than what JESUS said. HE said the belief was temporary.

Basically, what you're saying is that once we are saved we can never become unsaved.
You believe a person can never lose their faith?
 
to sow a seed which is the word of God we must hear not necessarily a physical hearing as through the ears. even though that is the most popular ,but going physically through the ears . would leave the deaf out. so either through sign language or reading the word . would be how they hear faith comes by hearing hearing by the word of God . i use a thompson chain reference it refers as hearing and most commentaries will to . so i stand by what i posted .last sunday night i used this parable as in how we as Christians hear the word .. because the word is seed and if our hearts/soil is not prepared nothing will grow
 
Basically, what you're saying is that once we are saved we can never become unsaved.
are you sure i said that? can you post in a quote where i said them exact words . in my 20 years preaching NOT ONE TIME have i ever preached once saved always saved nor have i said you can lose it. i said you can know and yes we can be secure and yes our inheritance is kept by the power of God and yes he is able to keep us from falling . every one of the 3 statements is all found in scripture . i do not go around freaking out wondering if i lost my salvation .i know the steps to take when i sin..
 
The older brother was a faithful son who would inherit all that the father had, but was frustrated with how his unfaithful brother was being celebrated, because he did not yet understand what it meant to have a son of age who went astray and returned in humility.



JLB
Okay, you win.
 
Im Greatful we can discuss these things in peace.

You have shown the community that it’s possible to do that, which was your original goal.

So you win.

Now, be honest, what have you done with Rollo.

At least tell us he is still alive.

If it’s a ransom you are looking for, Jethro will pay it.


JLB
Rollo is still stinging from being banned from another thread.
 
are you sure i said that? can you post in a quote where i said them exact words . in my 20 years preaching NOT ONE TIME have i ever preached once saved always saved nor have i said you can lose it. i said you can know and yes we can be secure and yes our inheritance is kept by the power of God and yes he is able to keep us from falling . every one of the 3 statements is all found in scripture . i do not go around freaking out wondering if i lost my salvation .i know the steps to take when i sin..
I'm sorry...
But to me it sounds like you're saying we do not need to follow the commandments Jesus left us with - which are the 10 and more -

If I'm incorrect about this...
could you please correct me?

Usually persons that speak like this believe they cannot ever
become lost again.
 
as far as follow the 10 commandments no. they are filtered in all through out the Bible. we live by the law of the spirit the life in Christ For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ,
how ever none of this has to do with the topic

believe they cannot ever
become lost again.
i am not going into this again .i have done previous post before , if you live by the ten commandments solo and break one your guilty of breaking all.
 
as far as follow the 10 commandments no. they are filtered in all through out the Bible. we live by the law of the spirit the life in Christ For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ,
how ever none of this has to do with the topic

i am not going into this again .i have done previous post before , if you live by the ten commandments solo and break one your guilty of breaking all.
I'm afraid Jerry, that I try to live by the 10 commandments, except I go to church on Sunday - when I go.

And I also try to follow all the other commandments Jesus left us with.

He preached and taught for over 3 years.
His teaching was NOT just believe in Me and you will be saved.

He said we had to be born again...that means something.

Paul never meant to teach that we are not to follow God's commandments.

Romans 6:15-16
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Romans 7:6
6But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.


We still serve Jerry...we now serve in the Spirit and not the the old way, by the letter.
But we still serve.

Philippians 2:12
12So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;



Can the above be the same Paul that YOU are quoting?

And Peter, of the inner circle of Jesus states:

2 Peter 1:3-9
2Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;
3seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.
4For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
5Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge,
6and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness,
7and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love.
8For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.



The bible is not in conflict with itself.
All the Apostles learned from Jesus.
They all state that we are to walk in the spirit
and not in the flesh.

The change is that God has made us be able to do this through His Holy Spirit.

Exactly what do you think Romans 8:2 means anyway?
 
Exactly what do you think Romans 8:2 means anyway?
i been set free but is till live by the law of the spirit the life in Christ . who is my righteousness who is the one who forgave me .he is the one who died on the cross while i was yet a sinner . the law has its place it reminds us of sin the Holy spirit quickens me gives me life leads me directs me .tells me the truth. tells me when i sin and when i am on the verge of sin to back off. is that good enough?
 
The bible is not in conflict with itself.
this makes the 2nd time you implied i stated something i did not . please either quote me with what i said instead what it seems like what was said . i am pretty straightforward some like it some dont. this is why i take the stance on baptism not saving yes i am very secure in my salvation scriptures tell me i can. they also tell what to do who to go to when we sin. i will go to sleep tonight and i will wake up still saved . 2 Timothy 1:12 That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day. this scripture plus many others shows i can have confidence .if you wish to deem that osas be my guest.
1 Peter 1:3-5

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
it just dont get any better than that
 
i been set free but is till live by the law of the spirit the life in Christ . who is my righteousness who is the one who forgave me .he is the one who died on the cross while i was yet a sinner . the law has its place it reminds us of sin the Holy spirit quickens me gives me life leads me directs me .tells me the truth. tells me when i sin and when i am on the verge of sin to back off. is that good enough?
Of course it's good enough.
So why say things that sound different?

I'd like to end this discussion.
It's just that some on here make statement that sound like we're not supposed to obey God because we have been "set free".

OR

We don't need to do anything because Jesus has already done it all.

That's all I'm saying---- that we say what we really mean.
If you think we need to obey the commandments, then that should be stated.

There are persons reading along and some statements do not sound very biblical to me...or they sound like "faith only" which is a big movement these days.

That's all I'm saying.
 
this makes the 2nd time you implied i stated something i did not . please either quote me with what i said instead what it seems like what was said . i am pretty straightforward some like it some dont. this is why i take the stance on baptism not saving yes i am very secure in my salvation scriptures tell me i can. they also tell what to do who to go to when we sin. i will go to sleep tonight and i will wake up still saved . 2 Timothy 1:12 That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day. this scripture plus many others shows i can have confidence .if you wish to deem that osas be my guest.
1 Peter 1:3-5

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
it just dont get any better than that
OK Jerry.

I just want to say that I post the ENTIRE post of a person....
I do NOT cut anyting out, as some do, precisely for the reason you state above.
(so that there is no misunderstanding)

If it seems to you I didn't understand anything you said,,,it's OK to say that back to me.
No problem!
:)
 
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