OSAS

[jerry63935]

that sound like

there is a big difference is sounds like and what is really said. all i am asking for example where did i say we dont have to obey God . do you believe you been set free or that you live in bondage to the law Galatians 5:1. “Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.”

here is a definition/explanation of bondage

Bondage implies slavery or slavish thinking. A cursory reading of these passages might lead you to assume, as many do, that Paul considered commandment keeping to be bondage.

Bondage truly does relate to slavery. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon defines douleia, the word translated bondage, as “to make a slave of” or metaphorically to “make myself a bondman.

in all of paul teaching he kept telling them they was no longer under law but grace
romans 6 : 13Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not!…

looks like he covered what you seemed to think i said.. some months back i did a post explaining eternal security . at the end of that post you agreed and said i believe in eternal security. which is not living how we want doing as we please

 

[JLB]

Rollo is still stinging from being banned from another thread.

And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:32

 

[JLB]

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
it just dont get any better than that

through faith being the key;


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1


OSAS is one of those doctrines that cause people to depart from Christ, because they think they can live in sin, and continue to remain in Christ.

Not true.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


We are called to love God and love each other which are defined by keeping His commandments.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3



I’m sure you agree.




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

OSAS is one of those doctrines that cause people to depart from Christ, because they think they can live in sin, and continue to remain in Christ.

Not true.

why does all this keep being brought up? when its been covered . even the die hard osas denoms teach your not free to live in sin. i know many who hold to osas that lives the life of christ just as if not more close than those who hold to osnas .in reality we are only saved once .i fail to find where we are saved multiple times

 

[jerry63935]

through faith being the key;

faith is the key to unlock we accept it by faith..but there are those who struggles in faith .but are yet kept by the power of God

 

[JLB]

why does all this keep being brought up? when its been covered . even the die hard osas denoms teach your not free to live in sin. i know many who hold to osas that lives the life of christ just as if not more close than those who hold to osnas .in reality we are only saved once .i fail to find where we are saved multiple times

Because OSAS teaches that those who are in Christ don’t have to obey the Lord or His commandments nor His doctrine to remain in Christ which means to remain saved.


You yourself voted “No”, when asked....
Is obeying the Lord and His Commandments required for salvation?


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



As we all see, it’s he who keeps His commandments abides in Him.




JLB

 

[JLB]

faith is the key to unlock we accept it by faith..but there are those who struggles in faith .but are yet kept by the power of God

Jerry are you teaching God’s people that they can depart from the faith, and yet still be saved?


JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Jerry are you teaching God’s people that they can depart from the faith, and yet still be saved?


JLB

you are posting false assumptions

 

[jerry63935]

You yourself voted “No”, when asked....
Is obeying the Lord and His Commandments required for salvation?

so is your polls so you can see who voted no so you can call them out?
when a lost person gets saved they have no idea what a commandment is. i had no idea what a commandment was. neither did you

Jerry are you teaching God’s people that they can depart from the faith, and yet still be saved?

i have no idea where you come up with that . that is a insulting question

 

[JLB]

you are posting false assumptions

Jerry, I asked you a question.

...are you teaching God’s people that they can depart from the faith, and yet still be saved?

It should a simple answer.


I posted a scripture about departing from the faith.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

• in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons

The reason the Spirit of God warns us about demonically inspired doctrines is to help us remain in the faith, and not depart from the faith.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?


My answer is NO!
A person who departs from the faith is no longer saved.


We must continue in the faith, steadfast to the end, to be saved, to receive the salvation of our souls.


We should, as Christians be teaching the truth of God’s word, all of us teaching and promoting the same thing, being of the same mind, which is to love our neighbor.

Promoting false teachings that cause our neighbor to depart from the faith is not loving our brother, nor is it loving God.




JLB

 

[JLB]

so is your polls so you can see who voted no so you can call them out?

You asked me “why does all this keep being brought up”?

I answered you.

No one is forcing you to participate in the polls.

If you are ashamed of your answer, then don’t participate in the poll.


JLB

 

[JLB]

i have no idea where you come up with that . that is a insulting question

Because you are promoting OSAS.

Why all the drama?

If you believe in OSAS, then stand up and answer the question I asked.

I did.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?


My answer is NO!
A person who departs from the faith is no longer saved.


JLB

 

[JLB]

so is your polls so you can see who voted no so you can call them out?
when a lost person gets saved they have no idea what a commandment is. i had no idea what a commandment was. neither did you i have no idea where you come up with that . that is a insulting question

Please feel free to start a thread of your own about OSAS or whatever doctrine you believe is important.


Make a poll.

Use scripture to validate your belief.

We will participate in your thread.



JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Jerry, I asked you a question.

...are you teaching God’s people that they can depart from the faith, and yet still be saved?

It should a a simple answer.


I posted a scripture about departing from the faith.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

• in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons

The reason the Spirit of God warms us about demonically inspired doctrines is to help us remain in the faith, and not depart from the faith.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?


My answer is NO!
A person who departs from the faith is no longer saved.


We must continue in the faith, steadfast to the end, to be saved, to receive the salvation of our souls.


We should, as Christians be teaching the truth of God’s word, all of us teaching and promoting the same thing, being of the same mind, which is to love our neighbor.

Promoting false teachings that cause our neighbor to depart from the faith is not loving our brother, nor is it loving God.




JLB

you are being the accuser of the brethren. you are assuming that is what i posted .. when you find a post that says them exact words that i posted. you post it until then please do not in question assume that is what i said. i have done numerous on what true salvation is. your question once again is a insult

 

[jerry63935]

Because you are promoting OSAS.

i beg your pardon i do not promote no such thing . once again that is your assumption .. in my 20 years of preaching not one time have i ever said you can live how you want and still be saved .

 

[jerry63935]

Make a poll.

Use scripture to validate your belief.

i dont need a poll i have never asked for man approval . i am done is stand by scriptures . the words you can lose your salvation and you can live how you want after being saved is not in the Bible . good day to you

 

[JLB]

you are being the accuser of the brethren. you are assuming that is what i posted .. when you find a post that says them exact words that i posted. you post it until then please do not in question assume that is what i said. i have done numerous on what true salvation is. your question once again is a insult

This is what you usually do when asked a simple question that stems from our discussion.


Please stop with the drama.


If a scripture with a simple question is an insult to you Jerry, I have to ask you why?

Why not just answer the question.

I did.

Why go through a bunch of drama to avoid answering a simple legitimate question from a scripture.


JLB

 

[JLB]

i dont need a poll i have never asked for man approval . i am done is stand by scriptures . the words you can lose your salvation and you can live how you want after being saved is not in the Bible . good day to you

If you don’t need a poll then why participate in it?

None of us needs man’s approval, on the contrary it’s the Holy Spirit who gives us this warning.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1


Lets all be on the same page as the Holy Spirit, and be of the same mind, speaking the same things.


Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10

the words you can lose your salvation and you can live how you want after being saved is not in the Bible

Since I didn’t use those words but used the words of scripture, there is no reason for you to make such a claim.

Here is the words I used, which are found in the question I asked...

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?



JLB

 

[jerry63935]

If you don’t need a poll then why participate in it?

because i want to . i will tell you just like i have said to wondering.. i dont ask you to believe like me . i dont do litmus test . this will curl your hair if you have any... how do you know if a person depearts from the faith ? have you ever wavered any at all? this is the entire problem with your posting . everything has to be you lost your salvation . your no longer saved ..we DO NOT have the AUTHORITY to judge who is saved and who is not Galatians 6

6 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye who are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

3 For if a man think himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

4 But let every man put to the proof his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

6 Let him that is taught in the Word share with him that teacheth, in all good things.

why is it any of your concern on how i believe on the plan of salvation ? you take words i use and make them say what you want .you say faith is the key ..i agree we accept by faith..
but what about those who struggle if they are saved . even though they really are? how much faith does it take ? when you ask me a silly question like do i teach we dont have to obey GOD . that is a foolish question that brings strife . have i ever questioned you over speaking in tongues ? you are wanting to create a type argument

 

[JLB]

because i want to . i will tell you just like i have said to wondering.. i dont ask you to believe like me . i dont do litmus test . this will curl your hair if you have any... how do you know if a person depearts from the faith ? have you ever wavered any at all? this is the entire problem with your posting . everything has to be you lost your salvation . your no longer saved ..we DO NOT have the AUTHORITY to judge who is saved and who is not Galatians 6

You are the one who said you don’t need a poll.

You know your free to choose one way or the other.


No one said anything about judging.

I didn’t mention the phrase “lost your salvation“.

Mine was a question.


Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?




JLB