OSAS

[jerry63935]

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?

do you...???? the beginning thread you replied with this

Thanks for starting this thread

You make some good points.


If I were to base my theology on my own experience, I would fall into the category of OSAS.


I have backsliden having fallen back into a sinful lifestyle of drugs and alcohol, more than once.


Thanks be to God, in His mercy He never gave up on me, and I repented and learned from my failures.

this is your words

I would fall into the category of OSAS.

so do you believe in osas

 

[JLB]

do you...???? the beginning thread you replied with this

As I stated in a previous post; No. A person who departs from the faith is no longer saved.

 

[jerry63935]

As I stated in a previous post; No. A person who departs from the faith is no longer saved.

so you switched from

I would fall into the category of OSAS.

to no longer saved . at what point do they become no longer saved ?

 

[JLB]

so you switched from to no longer saved .

Here is what I said.

If I were to base my theology on my own experience, I would fall into the category of OSAS.

at what point do they become no longer saved ?

When they depart from the faith.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

• in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons

The reason the Spirit of God warns us about demonically inspired doctrines is to help us remain in the faith, and not depart from the faith.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?



JLB

 

[jerry63935]

If I were to base my theology on my own experience, I would fall into the category of OSAS.

i read what you said your own experience the category of osas .so in your own words in post #2 you fell into the category of osas. you also stated about backsliding back to drugs and alcohol. at that very point had you died would you have went to hell ?

i am just making a observation of your words

 

[JLB]

i read what you said your own experience the category of osas .so in your own words in post #2 you fell into the category of osas.

Going by my own experience in my own opinion, not by what the scriptures teach.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?


JLB

 

[PeterJens]

i been set free but is till live by the law of the spirit the life in Christ . who is my righteousness who is the one who forgave me .he is the one who died on the cross while i was yet a sinner . the law has its place it reminds us of sin the Holy spirit quickens me gives me life leads me directs me .tells me the truth. tells me when i sin and when i am on the verge of sin to back off. is that good enough?

I like this. I do not have to obey the law, I am free to do what I like, when I like, how I like. But my heart is bound to Christ, love has captured my soul, my conscience is a slave to righteousness, I rejoice in things of God, so I desire to love and follow Him, so without knowing it I obey the 10 commandments because they are written in my mind and in my heart.

What so many claim in Christ is just a doctors medicine which they take to make them well, but their hearts are far from Him. It is clear by their words and behaviour, because though they say Jesus is their Lord, thorns and thistles sprout from everything they do.

I suppose this could be said to be the emotional reality in Christ rather than just the intellectual reality in theology and "good behaviour" like the pharisees loved, while being full of self indulgence and greed. Like all good salesmen they believed their own parading and hype, and thought the show was eternity in God.
God bless you

 

[jerry63935]

Going by my own experience in my own opinion, not by what the scriptures teach.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?


JLB

then why was it your opinion .if you wasnt going by what scripture teaches

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?

i dont have the authority to judge if a person is not saved .not my job romans 2;16 on that day when God will judge the secrets of men according to my gospel, by Christ Jesus. .

my job is to restore in love Galatians 6:1 just curious as one point you fell into the category osas . then say you wasn't using scriptures. see BTW IN ALL YOUR QUESTIONING ME ON OSAS. i don't teach osas i teach you can know your saved and our salvation is kept by the power of God and yes it is through faith we accept that it is kept just like it is of faith we accept we been forgiven . and he is able to keep us from falling Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you unblemished in His glorious presence, with great joy— i can only go by what scripture teaches. but then again i find you said you fell into the category of osas . on the 6th post i said we have a know so salvation we also have advocate .. we can know we are saved and our inheritance is kept by the power of God .

if a person can not accept this.chances are there not saved

all this i posted was scripture not my opinion but solo scripture

its like a jury trail your on the witness stand they question your statement and ask for a yes or no.

 

[jerry63935]

this is like beating a dead horse how many times have i explained this to you i have explained my position numerous times . i was going to drop it till i find your post . look i dont care if your charismatic hydromatic believe in osas or osnas . so it really shouldnt matter to you my personal belief which i took time out to explain again . if you wish to discuss this in private i will correspond by email in which i will be more than happy to give . if not i am considering the subject closed

 

[GodsGrace]

there is a big difference is sounds like and what is really said. all i am asking for example where did i say we dont have to obey God . do you believe you been set free or that you live in bondage to the law Galatians 5:1. “Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.”

here is a definition/explanation of bondage

Bondage implies slavery or slavish thinking. A cursory reading of these passages might lead you to assume, as many do, that Paul considered commandment keeping to be bondage.

Bondage truly does relate to slavery. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon defines douleia, the word translated bondage, as “to make a slave of” or metaphorically to “make myself a bondman.

in all of paul teaching he kept telling them they was no longer under law but grace
romans 6 : 13Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not!…

looks like he covered what you seemed to think i said.. some months back i did a post explaining eternal security . at the end of that post you agreed and said i believe in eternal security. which is not living how we want doing as we please

Actually, I don't believe in eternal security.
But we'll get to know each other eventually....no problem.

 

[jerry63935]

Actually, I don't believe in eternal security.

it does not matter to me if you do or dont..but in another post i explained eternal security.. WHICH IS NOT A LICENSE TO GO WILD. but as usual the words eternal security isas creates a back lash like a fire in the middle of july in a hay field .it takes off
to a raging fire

 

[GodsGrace]

it does not matter to me if you do or dont..but in another post i explained eternal security.. WHICH IS NOT A LICENSE TO GO WILD. but as usual the words eternal security isas creates a back lash like a fire in the middle of july in a hay field .it takes off
to a raging fire

I know you don't care whether or not I believe in OSAS.
I was just advising you that you misunderstood me.

This is my last post regarding this.

 

[JLB]

then why was it your opinion .if you wasnt going by what scripture teaches

I simply stated that if I went by my own experience (rather than what the scriptures teach) I would be in the OSAS camp.


But since we have the teaching of Christ, we know that we must remain in Christ.

• We know we must continue to believe.

• We know we must endure to the end to be saved.

• We know we must not depart from the faith.

• We know we must not transgress the doctrine of Christ.

• We know we must not wander away and become lost.

Any many more....


We shall know the truth and the truth will set us free from...

The Lie!


And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12



Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 1 Timothy 4:16





JLB

 

[jerry63935]

I simply stated that if I went by my own experience (rather than what the scriptures teach) I would be in the OSAS camp.

i only know what your post read you have reworded it..but once again i am done .if you wish to continue in private out side the form we can do via email

 

[GodsGrace]

i only know what your post read you have reworded it..but once again i am done .if you wish to continue in private out side the form we can do via email

Why would you want to continue in private with JLB?
We're all here to share and to learn...
having a private conversation would deprive the others of knowledge.
And this is a public forum...it's not a private email situation.
Please share what you'd like to say with all of us.

 

[jerry63935]

Why would you want to continue in private with JLB?
We're all here to share and to learn...
having a private conversation would deprive the others of knowledge.
And this is a public forum...it's not a private email situation.
Please share what you'd like to say with all of us.

i have shared and got silly replies he has said he would have fell into the category of osas. then changed it.. you in previous post had said you believe in eternal security after i explained it.. if i offer to do email correspondence then its my offer . btw I thought you was through with this post . you cant teach closed minds

 

[jerry63935]

Still waiting for you to answer a simple question from
1 Timothy 4:1.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?


I say NO.



JLB

you must not be able to read i covered that also i leave you with this
Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

2 Timothy 2:23

But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

 

[JLB]

And this is a public forum...it's not a private email situation.
Please share what you'd like to say with all of us.

I have tried to get him to share but he keeps wanting to insult and attack me, rather than having an honest dialog.

i have shared and got silly replies he has said he would have fell into the category of osas. then changed it..

If I were to base my theology on my own experience, I would fall into the category of OSAS.

Since I don’t base my theology on my own experience but rather I base my theology on the teachings of Christ, I of course see the dangers of OSAS, recognizing it for what it truly is, a doctrine of demons that is designed to cause Christians to depart from the faith.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

.

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?



JLB

 

[JLB]

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

Im not discussing the law of Moses, which has been abolished, nor am I discussing genealogies.


Im discussing the faith in Christ we all share as the household of faith.




Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1







JLB

 

[JLB]

But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

Studying and discussing scripture is not foolish speculation.


We don’t need to speculate when we have the word of God and the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into the truth.


Here is what the Holy Spirit, not speculation teaches us about the last days, the time we are living in today.


This is a warning to help avoid the trap of the devil so we can bring awareness to ourselves and our loved ones.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1


Please let’s work together to promote what the Holy Spirit through the the scriptures is teaching us, rather than arguing.


We don’t want anyone to depart from the faith, but all to come to repentance and be saved.


Please consider these things.


JLB