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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Proof of Trinity
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jeff77
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Just being there will be sufficient for me.
Why is something like that and so esoteric important to you? Since the Bible is silent on us seeing God the Father or Holy Spirit to say "yes" or "no" is mere speculation.
I know! You are trying to start a fight, right?
Im just curious, not trying to start a fight. I think that in heaven we just see one form maybe Jesus? I believe in the trinity and because if there wasn't a trinity then it seems to me that one would have to view them as 3 separate Gods and we know the Bible doesn't teach that. I picture in my mind that they are all equal and the same being but God uses the two other forms to help us better understand. The reason I think we will only see Jesus in heaven is because he is the form we will recognize and the other two forms are no longer needed since the purpose for them has been fulfilled.
Jack Hectorman
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Amen to that Jack! You the Man!!
:nod ← that's a "nod" smiley Chopper, according to the smiley chart. I was going to acknowledge your
post by hitting the "Like" icon, but alas those icons seem to have vanished in this thread.
Cheers.
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jasoncran
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how does the Father and the Holy Spirit simply fade away?
jeff77
Member
I don't really know? Maybe they don't fade away they join together or something. I guess if they did fade away it wouldn't really matter because they are all the same and if you have one of them then you have all of them. When I say it wouldn't matter I am speaking only about the future and not now because we know the purpose for the Holy Spirit and Jesus while we are still here. Actually that made me think of another question. Will we still have the Holy Spirit inside of us in heaven?
jasoncran
Member
no, we don't but that doesn't He nor the FATHER wont exist forever.they are eternal.
Jesse Stone
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Chopper #434
Thank you for the welcome. I'm only 71. I've been reading the Bible a while now. A few years ago a good and well meaning friend gave me a Bible that I couldn't read. The print was too small. He was a Christian who was atypical of the breed. A mutation perhaps. Conservative Protestant who judged no one. I bought another Bible because he was a good friend and I thought if it's important to him, I should take a gander. A nice giant print black letter KJV that I still use. It's large and heavy, which gives it a substantial feel to me
The reason I'm not a Christian is because Christians do not wish me to be. And most use some form of disciplinary action to make sure I never become one. Closed communion, for example. I've been to a couple of denominations that don't practice closed communion. But one is still a second class citizen if one doesn't go along with their Tradition. I don't think that's Biblical. But that's just me. Obviously Christians disagree or they wouldn't keep doing it. I question the deity of Christ. So 99.9% say I'm not saved. Or being saved as the Catholics would say. To them I've committed a mortal sin and apart from denying my own mind (which is not what faith is about to me), repentance they call it, I'm headed for hell. Free, your fellow Moderator put it this way, "the stronger argument could be made that if one doesn't believe that Jesus is God then they aren't saved". I also question the idea that the deity of Christ is impossible. That pretty much accounts for the other 1% thinking I'm not saved.
At this point, I really don't want to be a part of Christianity. Not only is it divided by denominational interpretations, but it's way too judgmental. An interpretive case for judging outsiders could be made, I suppose. That they haven't accepted God's free gift in Christ, and that sort of thing. But there's no excuse for them judging one another the way they do. Christianity is too dysfunctional a family for me to want to be a part of it. I'd rather just be a simple believer on the outside looking in, if anything. But Christianity is what it is. And Christianity is the only expression related to the Christian Bible that I'm aware of. So I doubt more than just the Trinity. Thus I'm an Agnostic. If God will forgive the Christians for the mess they've made of things, I think he'll take my situation into account as well. If not, then I'll have plenty of Christian company in hell. And I'll feel sorry for the Atheists. Because they still won't be rid of them. And that surely will be hell to them.
I'm really only on this forum to see what the people have to offer regarding what I said in my post #407. Perhaps you would like to offer something.
As I said elsewhere, My name is actually Jesse Stone. And I only learned about three years ago of Tom Sellecks 8 movies in which the main character has the same name as I do. Just as a matter of curiosity, have you watched the Jesse Stone movies? When CBS cut it off they gave as a reason that it was only being watched by old people.
Administrator Chopper. That "we got it together and everybody else is an idiot" is exactly the kind of thinking that makes me glad I'm not a Christian. Sorry you Christians have to live with it. I don't.
Thank you for the welcome. I'm only 71. I've been reading the Bible a while now. A few years ago a good and well meaning friend gave me a Bible that I couldn't read. The print was too small. He was a Christian who was atypical of the breed. A mutation perhaps. Conservative Protestant who judged no one. I bought another Bible because he was a good friend and I thought if it's important to him, I should take a gander. A nice giant print black letter KJV that I still use. It's large and heavy, which gives it a substantial feel to me
The reason I'm not a Christian is because Christians do not wish me to be. And most use some form of disciplinary action to make sure I never become one. Closed communion, for example. I've been to a couple of denominations that don't practice closed communion. But one is still a second class citizen if one doesn't go along with their Tradition. I don't think that's Biblical. But that's just me. Obviously Christians disagree or they wouldn't keep doing it. I question the deity of Christ. So 99.9% say I'm not saved. Or being saved as the Catholics would say. To them I've committed a mortal sin and apart from denying my own mind (which is not what faith is about to me), repentance they call it, I'm headed for hell. Free, your fellow Moderator put it this way, "the stronger argument could be made that if one doesn't believe that Jesus is God then they aren't saved". I also question the idea that the deity of Christ is impossible. That pretty much accounts for the other 1% thinking I'm not saved.
At this point, I really don't want to be a part of Christianity. Not only is it divided by denominational interpretations, but it's way too judgmental. An interpretive case for judging outsiders could be made, I suppose. That they haven't accepted God's free gift in Christ, and that sort of thing. But there's no excuse for them judging one another the way they do. Christianity is too dysfunctional a family for me to want to be a part of it. I'd rather just be a simple believer on the outside looking in, if anything. But Christianity is what it is. And Christianity is the only expression related to the Christian Bible that I'm aware of. So I doubt more than just the Trinity. Thus I'm an Agnostic. If God will forgive the Christians for the mess they've made of things, I think he'll take my situation into account as well. If not, then I'll have plenty of Christian company in hell. And I'll feel sorry for the Atheists. Because they still won't be rid of them. And that surely will be hell to them.
I'm really only on this forum to see what the people have to offer regarding what I said in my post #407. Perhaps you would like to offer something.
As I said elsewhere, My name is actually Jesse Stone. And I only learned about three years ago of Tom Sellecks 8 movies in which the main character has the same name as I do. Just as a matter of curiosity, have you watched the Jesse Stone movies? When CBS cut it off they gave as a reason that it was only being watched by old people.
Administrator Chopper. That "we got it together and everybody else is an idiot" is exactly the kind of thinking that makes me glad I'm not a Christian. Sorry you Christians have to live with it. I don't.
Jesse Stone
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Teddy Trueblood #440
I'm sorry to hear that. May God be with you. That may sound like a non-Jedi saying may the force be with you, coming from an Agnostic. But I hope you can take it in the spirit in which it is given.
If you're suffering from old age like Chopper and myself, perhaps you could tell me if you've watched the Jesse Stone movies. In my curiosity, I'm kind of taking a survey.
In spite of my mediocrity, I figured out what a profile post is. And saw things I hadn't seen before. Thanks.
I'm sorry to hear that. May God be with you. That may sound like a non-Jedi saying may the force be with you, coming from an Agnostic. But I hope you can take it in the spirit in which it is given.
If you're suffering from old age like Chopper and myself, perhaps you could tell me if you've watched the Jesse Stone movies. In my curiosity, I'm kind of taking a survey.
In spite of my mediocrity, I figured out what a profile post is. And saw things I hadn't seen before. Thanks.
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Asyncritus
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Hey Jesse
Post #407 is entirely in line with my thinking. Drop me a line.
Post #407 is entirely in line with my thinking. Drop me a line.
jeff77
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Good point Jason. I never really thought to deep into this topic in general until I looked at this thread so I have a lot to learn.
Chopper
Member
Hello again old timer Jesse, Thank you for your portrait of modern Christianity. It's all true, and more. I could list, at least the same amount of failings of Christianity. No argument here. I am sorry that I present such a miserable example of a life that should be free from all you have presented. You see, Christianity will never live up to an example of the God whom I worship. I wish you would not look at my failings as an example but study the God that I should represent. He is perfect in all His ways, I am imperfect in all my ways. God should be your Savior because of how gracious and forgiving He is, to put up with me. He, if you would let Him would make you, along with your efforts, a proper representative of a child of God.
Please forgive me for being a lousy example of a Christian. If you do become a follower of Jesus Christ, look me up on this Forum and teach me how to change, I promise to heed your teachings. Until then, I hope the remaining years that you have will be filled with joy, and most of all, the remaining years after you die will be with Jesus.
Dear Jesse, your mention of the Jesse Stone movies encouraged me to look them up. I had never heard of them and was completely taken by surprise by the amount of them. I was also glad to see Tom Selleck still working and as I understand playing the character of Jesse Stone. My question is what is your connection with this series of movies written by Robert Parker? Is there some Christian theme conveyed in the films?
I was indeed saddened to read your testimony of not being a Christian and the rationalized reasons to come to that conclusion. I would say that is a reason the body of Christ is made up of all who have received or believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; even those that do no more than call on His name. Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? The assembly I attend when I can has none of the distractions that come as the result of man-made organization, for we have no membership. In fact Paul preached against such practices in:
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
We have baptismal professions of having received Christ, memorial communions, and I have never experienced what you describe; if so I would just stay home reading my bible. Thanks for your input. We need you young fellas around here.
Thanks.
I was indeed saddened to read your testimony of not being a Christian and the rationalized reasons to come to that conclusion. I would say that is a reason the body of Christ is made up of all who have received or believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; even those that do no more than call on His name. Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? The assembly I attend when I can has none of the distractions that come as the result of man-made organization, for we have no membership. In fact Paul preached against such practices in:
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
We have baptismal professions of having received Christ, memorial communions, and I have never experienced what you describe; if so I would just stay home reading my bible. Thanks for your input. We need you young fellas around here.
Thanks.
Jack Hectorman
Member
A devotional thought, an affirmation of faith, and a prayer:
I enjoy reading some of the great creeds of Christendom devotionally
and once I made some written notes as I was reading along and then
later I wrote the following into a prayer to God and I taped it to the
front flyleaf of my Bible and I pray this affirmation of my faith and this
prayer to the Lord regularly:
My Strong Beliefs And My Prayer:
I believe in God the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and
earth, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, our Lord: who was conceived
by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead and buried.
The third day He rose from the dead. He ascended into Heaven and
sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall
come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy worldwide church Christendom, the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.
I submit to the Sovereignty of God with humility and a prayer for mercy
and grace. I submit to the Christian Church the body of Christ as
built upon, and only upon, the teachings of the Holy Bible's prophets
and apostles all being inspired by God. I pray to the Sovereign God
of the Bible for mercy and grace on the merits of the Lord Christ. In
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, one God
in Three Persons. Blessed Trinity. Amen.
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God Bless His Christian Church .. Christendom.
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I enjoy reading some of the great creeds of Christendom devotionally
and once I made some written notes as I was reading along and then
later I wrote the following into a prayer to God and I taped it to the
front flyleaf of my Bible and I pray this affirmation of my faith and this
prayer to the Lord regularly:
My Strong Beliefs And My Prayer:
I believe in God the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and
earth, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, our Lord: who was conceived
by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead and buried.
The third day He rose from the dead. He ascended into Heaven and
sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall
come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy worldwide church Christendom, the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.
I submit to the Sovereignty of God with humility and a prayer for mercy
and grace. I submit to the Christian Church the body of Christ as
built upon, and only upon, the teachings of the Holy Bible's prophets
and apostles all being inspired by God. I pray to the Sovereign God
of the Bible for mercy and grace on the merits of the Lord Christ. In
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, one God
in Three Persons. Blessed Trinity. Amen.
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PS
God Bless His Christian Church .. Christendom.
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Chopper
Member
I like that very much! Can I have your permission to copy it?
Jack Hectorman
Member
* /smile .. Chooper, you sure can copy it and use it any way you see fit... feel free to modify it too and make it better ..
* glad you liked it ...
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teddy trueblood
Member
I've only recently begun watching the Jesse Stone movies via Netflix. So far, I've enjoyed them very much. Must be because I'm old.
jasoncran
Member
you wont stop learning.our minds cant fathom the nature of god.
Jesse Stone
Member
Chopper #451
Greetings fellow member of the Society for the Advancement of Wheezin Geezers.
We all eventually betray in some way what we truly think underneath all the sham that we've built up on the outside to hide what we truly think underneath. "Hear them for what they say, know them by what they do." Stone's Law. Christianity speaks big things while doing its own little things. Christianity lives up to the potential of its own thinking, which has little to do with the God of the Bible. Fortunately, there are a few Christians who transcend Christianity. I'm happy to have known a few of the few.
Jesus said,
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Do you understand what that implies?
Or this:
While this passage refers explicitly to the detection of false prophets, the principle can be applied to anyone. Fruit reveals the tree for what it really is. This doesn't apply to you so much as it applies to those who originated or perpetuate the Christian denominations. But make no mistake. A fruit of failings implies a very serious problem. I would point out that it is infinitely better to follow Christ, not Christianity. And not to make the mistake of thinking that following Christ and following Christianity is one and the same.
Yes he is.
But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy." (1 Peter 1:15-6)
I don't think Peter said that just to hear himself talk. The Greek word hagios (translated holy) means to be pure. In all that we think, in all that we do. Christians have a different understanding of that word. That it means separation. And they practice that meaning to the full. There's a big difference between stumbling and a life style.
"Put up with" is your characterization. You know yourself better than I.
Why should I (a non-Christian) believe that, if you (a Christian) are not a proper example? If you don't even consider yourself a proper example?
I can forgive. I can't forget.
Of course, grasshopper.
I don't need to be a Christian to know that the key is for you to follow Jesus Christ, and to follow me only to the extent that I follow Christ. (e.g., 1 Corinthians 11:1) Better yet, don't follow me at all. Follow Jesus Christ and then we can both follow him together. (e.g., 1 Corinthians 1:10-31)
Thank you. It is my hope as well. I may not have a lot of faith, but I do have a lot of hope.
Greetings fellow member of the Society for the Advancement of Wheezin Geezers.
We all eventually betray in some way what we truly think underneath all the sham that we've built up on the outside to hide what we truly think underneath. "Hear them for what they say, know them by what they do." Stone's Law. Christianity speaks big things while doing its own little things. Christianity lives up to the potential of its own thinking, which has little to do with the God of the Bible. Fortunately, there are a few Christians who transcend Christianity. I'm happy to have known a few of the few.
Jesus said,
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Do you understand what that implies?
Or this:
While this passage refers explicitly to the detection of false prophets, the principle can be applied to anyone. Fruit reveals the tree for what it really is. This doesn't apply to you so much as it applies to those who originated or perpetuate the Christian denominations. But make no mistake. A fruit of failings implies a very serious problem. I would point out that it is infinitely better to follow Christ, not Christianity. And not to make the mistake of thinking that following Christ and following Christianity is one and the same.
Yes he is.
But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy." (1 Peter 1:15-6)
I don't think Peter said that just to hear himself talk. The Greek word hagios (translated holy) means to be pure. In all that we think, in all that we do. Christians have a different understanding of that word. That it means separation. And they practice that meaning to the full. There's a big difference between stumbling and a life style.
"Put up with" is your characterization. You know yourself better than I.
Why should I (a non-Christian) believe that, if you (a Christian) are not a proper example? If you don't even consider yourself a proper example?
I can forgive. I can't forget.
Of course, grasshopper.
I don't need to be a Christian to know that the key is for you to follow Jesus Christ, and to follow me only to the extent that I follow Christ. (e.g., 1 Corinthians 11:1) Better yet, don't follow me at all. Follow Jesus Christ and then we can both follow him together. (e.g., 1 Corinthians 1:10-31)
Thank you. It is my hope as well. I may not have a lot of faith, but I do have a lot of hope.
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Jesse Stone
Member
Eugene #452
The movies are based on books written by the late Robert Parker (d. 2010). The books are different from the movies and are good in their own right. Selleck is currently starring in a TV series called "Blue Bloods" now in its fourth season. Another cop show that is much like the three Charles Bronson movies called "A Family of Cops". Which I think were better.
There is a sub forum on this forum called "Popular Culture". I started a thread there called "Jesse Stone Movies". Didn't think it appropriate to post a large post on the movies on a thread about the Trinity. So far no one has responded except me. The original post answers your questions from my point of view.
I just noted that Free was kind enough to post a link to the Jesse Stone thread. For which I am thankful.
Big difference between rationalization and realization.
Perhaps for a death bed conversion. But for the rest:
And this:
And this:
And especially this:
An excuse is an excuse is an excuse. Consider what Paul said before and after that.
I would say you need to get out more. But if all it would do is cause you to stay home, then you're better off to not have experienced it. Nevertheless, here you are. On this forum. A Moderator. You are experiencing what I have experienced. Right here. Right now. On this forum. On this thread.
I'm probably going to regret all this Bible quoting on these last two posts. And what's worse, they have nothing to do with the Trinity. Good thing I'm responding to Monitors.
The movies are based on books written by the late Robert Parker (d. 2010). The books are different from the movies and are good in their own right. Selleck is currently starring in a TV series called "Blue Bloods" now in its fourth season. Another cop show that is much like the three Charles Bronson movies called "A Family of Cops". Which I think were better.
There is a sub forum on this forum called "Popular Culture". I started a thread there called "Jesse Stone Movies". Didn't think it appropriate to post a large post on the movies on a thread about the Trinity. So far no one has responded except me. The original post answers your questions from my point of view.
I just noted that Free was kind enough to post a link to the Jesse Stone thread. For which I am thankful.
Big difference between rationalization and realization.
Perhaps for a death bed conversion. But for the rest:
And this:
And this:
And especially this:
An excuse is an excuse is an excuse. Consider what Paul said before and after that.
I would say you need to get out more. But if all it would do is cause you to stay home, then you're better off to not have experienced it. Nevertheless, here you are. On this forum. A Moderator. You are experiencing what I have experienced. Right here. Right now. On this forum. On this thread.
I'm probably going to regret all this Bible quoting on these last two posts. And what's worse, they have nothing to do with the Trinity. Good thing I'm responding to Monitors.