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Question for those who believe in "speaking in tongues"...

Thank God Paul is not on the forum, he would really have miffed us :

Gal 3:1 O foolish Forum , who did bewitch you..............Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?

Jesus would really have gotten into trouble too:

Luk 13:31 In that very hour there came certain Pharisees, saying to him, Get thee out, and go hence: for Herod would fain kill thee.
Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go and say to that fox,...........

and Jesus was not really PC when He spoke of the spiritual leadership of His day:

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
 
Dave Slayer said:
Cornelius said:
Please explain the difference to me :)

Well, to say "you are in error" would mean that I am a know it all who knows for sure, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you are in error. Since I do not know it all, I can't say for sure you are in error. I "believe" you are in error based on my interpretations of the scriptures. I just don't know for sure you are in error, and you do not know for sure I am in error, either. You can believe I am in error and that is fine.


May I believe it strongly ?
 
Cornelius said:
Dave Slayer said:
Cornelius said:
Please explain the difference to me :)

Well, to say "you are in error" would mean that I am a know it all who knows for sure, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you are in error. Since I do not know it all, I can't say for sure you are in error. I "believe" you are in error based on my interpretations of the scriptures. I just don't know for sure you are in error, and you do not know for sure I am in error, either. You can believe I am in error and that is fine.


May I believe it strongly ?

Yes you may! :yes May I believe in what I believe strongly as well?
 
Dave Slayer said:
Yes you may! :yes May I believe in what I believe strongly as well?
I would strongly advise against it, but will my advice be heeded ?

Got to go, I work at home, but I still work LOL

C
 
Cornelius said:
Dave Slayer said:
Yes you may! :yes May I believe in what I believe strongly as well?
I would strongly advise against it, but will my advice be heeded ?

Got to go, I work at home, but I still work LOL

C

I believe what I believe about tongues after studying it for a long time. It may not seem like it, but I have studied it quite a bit. Of course, there is always more to learn. However, at this point, I do not believe in prayer language tongues or heavenly languages to be spoken on earth.

Anyways, have a fun day at work! :-)
 
I went to a "non-denominational" church for a while a few years back.

After service I was invited into a room. They said we were going to receive the gift of tongues in that room. They proceeded to lay hands on me and pray, then a few people began "speaking in tongues"
They kept asking me to speak in tongues, "just let the Holy Spirit speak through you," etc....
This went on for far too long and I did not speak in tongues. It sounded like they were just making the whole thing up.
I never went back to that church after that.

I think speaking in tongues is very misunderstood and misused. :yes
 
GojuBrian said:
I went to a "non-denominational" church for a while a few years back.

After service I was invited into a room. They said we were going to receive the gift of tongues in that room. They proceeded to lay hands on me and pray, then a few people began "speaking in tongues"
They kept asking me to speak in tongues, "just let the Holy Spirit speak through you," etc....
This went on for far too long and I did not speak in tongues. It sounded like they were just making the whole thing up.

I never went back to that church after that.

I have had that same experience. I never spome in tongues, however. I felt that I was pressured into it. I just didn't feel right about it.
 
I prayed for the Holy Spirit by myself about 30 years ago and then thought: "Oh, I am now able to speak in tongues according to the Word! " I then opened my mouth and spoke.

A very good teacher on the Holy Spirit said, he received one word and it took about six month, before the Lord released him full into tongues. He takes people to Jerusalem on a tour and sometimes prays for them there , in what many believe to have been the "upper room". There he heard Russian Christians pray in perfect English , but when he spoke to them, they could not say one word in English.

In my country, a lady prayed for the lady who is the cleaner at her house. We have 11 official languages here, but most people only speak about two. So she prayed and the lady who she was praying for started crying, because she heard her own language, and she knew the lady could not speak it in the natural.

Two girls from YWAM (Youth With A Mission) were walking in Durban at night, when two Japanese sailors started following them and calling out to them in Japanese. They turned around and started speaking in which to them were their normal prayer language. Both Japanese men fell to the ground. They were hearing Japanese and God was speaking directly to them.

J.G. Lake ministered to a lady in Italy on a station in Italian, but he could not speak it in the natural.

Many such witnesses fill the Christian world. Even science have confirmed that it is a real language, even if they could not understand it.

A very good book is "Hey God !" (if you can still find it these days.) A Catholic lady questioned tongues, and went to God with the matter. She saw that Mary was in the upper room too and she wanted to have what Mary received that day. Well she did and in the most powerful way too. Her life suddenly filled with miracles and she spread the gospel in the most dangerous parts of her city. God filled her car, and multiplied the food in her pots.Its a great little book to read.

God is much more, than we give Him credit for.
 
One evening during normal worship, God baptized this whole church at once in the Holy Spirit. Tongues of fire descended onto this very traditional group of people. It was seen from the town, and the fire brigade was sent to the church.

Everybody spoke in tongues, except the author of this little book. Mel Tari resisted the Lord for a long time on the issue of tongues until the Holy Spirit gently convinced him.

I met the man ,many years ago. He gave witness of how powerful God is in real Christianity. He told us of how God changed water into wine for them for communion , because they were to poor to buy wine.People walked on water, even the children saw angels and many miracles followed.

God really came to them "Like a Mighty Wind"

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork ... RHS-_-p1-0
 
GojuBrian said:
I went to a "non-denominational" church for a while a few years back.

After service I was invited into a room. They said we were going to receive the gift of tongues in that room. They proceeded to lay hands on me and pray, then a few people began "speaking in tongues"
They kept asking me to speak in tongues, "just let the Holy Spirit speak through you," etc....
This went on for far too long and I did not speak in tongues. It sounded like they were just making the whole thing up.
I never went back to that church after that.

I think speaking in tongues is very misunderstood and misused. :yes

I had a very similar experience with them too. :( I was very open to receive it if it was truly from God.

.
 
Sorry C, I can't buy into the likes of Lake, Branham, Bonnke, Hinn and the rest of those who fit in well with the Toronto group. I believe it is them that misuse and abuse scripture. People, for whatever reasons, whether from an emotional experience, or a tickling of the ear, or whatever, leave the centuries old, systematic doctrines and flock to the quasi new age Christianity that seems to use emotional stimulation as its motivation.

Emotion is fine as long as it's in the right spirit. I scratch my head :confused when I see people flock to these false teachers; they are NOT or source of salvation, Jesus is and it is Jesus alone who is worthy for our focus. May we all stay focused on the One and Only Savior of mankind! :amen

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress ... loitation/
 
Vic C. said:
Sorry C, I can't buy into the likes of Lake, Branham, Bonnke, Hinn and the rest of those who fit in well with the Toronto group. I believe it is them that misuse and abuse scripture. People, for whatever reasons, whether from an emotional experience, or a tickling of the ear, or whatever, leave the centuries old, systematic doctrines and flock to the quasi new age Christianity that seems to use emotional stimulation as its motivation.

Emotion is fine as long as it's in the right spirit. I scratch my head :confused when I see people flock to these false teachers; they are NOT or source of salvation, Jesus is and it is Jesus alone who is worthy for our focus. May we all stay focused on the One and Only Savior of mankind! :amen

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress ... loitation/

I did not mention Branham, Bonnke, and Hinn. :)

Lake is far to old and far too long dead, to have even known about the Toronto "blessing". You should really read about Lake :)

I do not adhere to anything related to the Toronto or other movements. I have also not mentioned emotion anywhere, I personally preach that we should stick to the Word and NOT go by feelings or emotion. Tongues are not emotion, it is pure Scripture.

Jesus is the Word and certainly is my focus: That is where I quote my Scriptures from : the Bible.
I certainly did not suggest that we take our focus off Jesus, nor did I tell people anything but what is in the Bible. Jesus would be real comfortable with my posts.
 
shad said:
GojuBrian said:
I went to a "non-denominational" church for a while a few years back.

After service I was invited into a room. They said we were going to receive the gift of tongues in that room. They proceeded to lay hands on me and pray, then a few people began "speaking in tongues"
They kept asking me to speak in tongues, "just let the Holy Spirit speak through you," etc....
This went on for far too long and I did not speak in tongues. It sounded like they were just making the whole thing up.
I never went back to that church after that.

I think speaking in tongues is very misunderstood and misused. :yes

I had a very similar experience with them too. :( I was very open to receive it if it was truly from God.

.

So both of you decided not to ever, ever again go to God about this and just blame the bad people and forget about the Holy Spirit and His gifts.

Sad

C
 
Cornelius said:
So both of you decided not to ever, ever again go to God about this and just blame the bad people and forget about the Holy Spirit and His gifts.

Sad

C

You are ignoring Jesus' warning. We know them by their fruit they produce.

Sad.
 
shad said:

I just think its time you forgive those people and move on. You can really go to the Lord about this yourself and stop blaming somebody else.
Forgive them, forget them and pray about the Holy Spirit and tongues by yourself.

C
 
Cornelius said:
shad said:

I just think its time you forgive those people and move on. You can really go to the Lord about this yourself and stop blaming somebody else.
Forgive them, forget them and pray about the Holy Spirit and tongues by yourself.

C

C,

I dont trust people who say they speak in tongues because they are ignoring the fact that so many people who say they speak in tongues are fakes and you are cooperating to disgrace Jesus' reputation with your practice.

Jesus' servants are supposed to be good witnesses, not the other way around. You are ignoring Jesus' command to be salt and light of the world. It has nothing to do with forgiveness, you are misusing forgiveness.

.
 
shad said:
Cornelius said:
shad said:

I just think its time you forgive those people and move on. You can really go to the Lord about this yourself and stop blaming somebody else.
Forgive them, forget them and pray about the Holy Spirit and tongues by yourself.

C

C,

I dont trust people who say they speak in tongues because they are ignoring the fact that so many people who say they speak in tongues are fakes and you are cooperating to disgrace Jesus' reputation with your practice.

Jesus' servants are supposed to be good witnesses, not the other way around. You are ignoring Jesus' command to be salt and light of the world. It has nothing to do with forgiveness, you are misusing forgiveness.

.



So you are being a good witness, by telling people that God's gift of tongues are evil ?
Am I missing something here ?

:confused
 
Corn,

I wonder if you even realize the deception that you have offered? Below is a quote from a previous post that you made. In it, you state that you quote your scripture from THE Bible. I'm not sure what version you use, but in another post, you offered a quote that was DIFFERENT than that contained within MY Bible. Either the Bible you quoted from was different, or you deliberately left out words to alter the meaning behind the scripture that you offered:

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

And here is what is ACTUALLY OFFERED:

1 Corinthians 14:

2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Note that the FIRST quote, by YOU, has eliminated the word UNKNOWN.

Jesus is the Word and certainly is my focus: That is where I quote my Scriptures from : the Bible.
I certainly did not suggest that we take our focus off Jesus, nor did I tell people anything but what is in the Bible. Jesus would be real comfortable with my posts.

If your quote is from a version that I am not familiar with then I guess you can abide in your offering that you 'simply quote scripture'. But even then, it is apparent that the elimination of the word UNKNOWN alters the sentence into something DIFFERENT than exists WITH the unknown.

And IF you were simply following scripture in your use of tongues, YOU WOULDN'T use them. For you have indicated that YOUR use of tongues is EXACTLY what Paul was condemning the Corinthians for practicing. One, two, NO MORE THAN THREE, and BY course, (this means IN ORDER; you know, like ONE and THEN another). MUST be an interpreter. That means that The Spirit KNOWS if there is one to interpret for this SAME Spirit would BE the means by which the 'tongues' would be interpreted. If there is NO interpreter, then one that wishes to speak in 'tongues' is TO REMAIN SILENT IN THE CHURCH. Women are NOT able to speak 'tongues' IN THE CHURCH. And one can ONLY speak in tongues AS The Spirit GIVES utterance.

Now, at the end of this Paul offers that ANYONE claiming to be Spirit LED MUST admit that these words are the COMMANDMENTS of God. But, if anyone denies the 'rules' as laid down, LET THEM REMAIN IGNORANT. He then goes on to ask the Corinthians: CAME THE WORD FROM YOU? An obvious indication that he is pointing out that HE is their Spiritual leader in TRUTH and that they have 'made up' the conditions for which Paul is offering rebuke.

So, Cornillius, please, don't offer in words what you can't back in truth. The Bible has LITTLE to say concerning 'tongues'. And what it DOES say is that 'tongues' are LANGUAGES. NOT 'voices of angels'. For a voice is NOT a language to start with. A voice is NOTHING other than the MEANS by which the SOUND is transfered. This has NOTHING to do with LANGUAGE. We have a description of WHAT 'tongues' ARE and what they were FOR offered up in the beginning of Acts. We have NO OTHER evidence that there is ANY other SORT of 'tongues'.

IF God is able to KNOW what's in our hearts, then He is WELL able to understand us in WHATEVER language we speak. But 'tongues' were FOR A SIGN, not to THEM THAT BELIEVE, but to them that BELIEVE NOT. Now, what message of significance could one offered in GIBBERISH to one that BELIEVES NOT?

So, you have shown over and over through the method of your defense that you DO NOT simply use the Bible as a means of discernment concerning 'tongues'. You choose to promote something that was NEVER EVER offered up in scripture. And if you insist on saying different, then PROVE IT. Show us where the 'tongues' that you profess to practice EXIST ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE. Do so, and I'll relent and recant. But if you can't, then don't continue to say that CAN.

It's one thing to BELIEVE in something for YOUR OWN SAKE. But it is an entirely DIFFERENT situation when you attempt to sway others with that which you have NO EVIDENCE of except your OWN belief.

Paul's letter to the Corinthians was a LETTER OF REBUKE. He was NOT encouraging the use of "TONGUES''. Actually, he was telling them that the 'tongues' that they were using were NOT 'true tongues'. It's really that simple. They were MISUSING what they 'THOUGHT' were 'tongues'. That is WHY Paul laid down the RULES. Any form of tongues that do NOT conform to his words are NOT 'true tongues'. This is what HE SAID. And he went so far as to say that ANYONE that IS Spiritual will KNOW the difference. He also offered that it was TIME TO GROW UP in Christ. Instead of trying to impress others with 'how spiritual they were', it was TIME TO GROW UP and start learning to practice the PRINCIPLES of Christ in LOVE. And that consists of LOOKING OUT for OTHERS instead of simply doing that which benefits SELF. Read the entire epistle of 1 Corinthians and you will PLAINLY see that they were following remnants of the PREVIOUS pagan ways and that was the REASON for Paul's letter. An attempt to put them 'back on path'.

Blessgings,

MEC
 
I am sorry, but your post now just have too many errors, so it will take too much time to address them all.

Just for future ref: I always use the American Standard Bible.
 
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