Self Righteousness

[Qchan]

John 14:20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

Thanks!
Unfortunately, that verse mentions nothing about righteousness. Here, let me give you a verse that mentions righteousness without the need for self-interpretation:
Romans 4:5 (AKJV) says, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." <-- Notice the word "righteousness". Your verse didn't have this word in it.

Once again. Can you find a verse that speaks on righteousness as being attained through self-effort.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The Hebrews are standing there sweating, resisting, and Paul is telling them......"dont sin willfully like that, because THAT SIN is going to find you in HELL".
This is so obvious.

Let's not ignore that what is obvious is that they are saved as evidenced by them producing the fruit of the kingdom. The author himself is the one who points this out (Hebrews 6:9 NASB).

 

[Brother Mike]

What I want to argue is that, for one to understand the bible, they must first understand God's nature. Some people just shrug at the concept of hell and say, "Well, if its God's will, then so be it." They don't question it. However, if anyone would claim to know and understand God, they would know that hell contradicts God's nature. They would seek more understanding of who God is and what his love is all about. That's what I did, and the Holy Spirit led me to research the origins of the bible. That's when I found out some horrifying information. "Hell" is not a Christian concept, nor was its concept ever written in the bible. 5 minutes of studying the bible in its original inspired language shows that hell was never written. Suddenly, the bible became clear to me, and I understood every single passage.

OK, so your theory is that if someone knew God as in personally, not just reading the bible with secular understanding but personally knew God. Then, because of the amazing Love God has, there is no way possible for there to be eternal punishment?

A person would question this eternal punishment, Despite scriptures that show it's there based on their knowing God personally?

First, lets get something straight. Hell is a concept, There are sorrows in hell, Jesus went to hell to preach to the spirits imprisoned there, Jesus told of Abraham's Bosom which the Pharisee's knew and understood as the place of the righteous dead, long before Jesus showed up. We see God place water in Hell to separate the hot side fixed with a gulf as Jesus described.

I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
(Eze 31:16)

And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
(Eze 32:27)

There is a good reason the Pharisee's believed as they did, they had scripture!!!

However, you claim to know a nature would make one look at scripture differently. Right? God is love, right?
Use your understanding of God's love to explain these then.

The Murder of David's Baby.
2Sa_12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

The unrighteous Murder of a mans children whom even God said was upright.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD................................................
.........................While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
(Job 1:18-19)

I believe the same as you, knowing someone does not make you read scriptures about God in a wrong way. That does not remove my belief in eternal punishment though. I'll explain why later.

However, explain these. Let's see how well you know God and his love.

Blessings.

 

[Brother Mike]

Hey, thanks for replying.

You've confused me again
I wanted to just point out that the Rich Man and Lazarus parable is, in fact, a parable. Do you agree with this?

Can't be a Parable. Jesus talked plainly to the reliegious leaders and he told them parables. The leaders should have known scriptures. His parable before He told about the Rich man got them upset because they understood it and they were covetous and did not share. So, Jesus tells them how it really ends up.

Jesus also gave a place and used names. Parables don't give places and use names. None that Jesus told.

Jesus also quoted Abraham Word for Word. If Abraham really did not say those things, then Jesus lied and is a talebearer of false things.

Pro_14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

So, if Abraham was not there, and there is no gulf or hell, then Jesus is not a Faithful witness, and lied about what Abraham said.

You claim to know God's nature of love, but you can't tell the difference between parables, lying, and baring false witness is.

How is that possible to know one, and not the other?

 

[Qchan]

So you agree with God's Word, when He says these words to those he sentences to the everlasting fire.


41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. John 10:28

If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. Matthew 18:8


JLB

Hi again.
1) Who are those on the left hand? Can you find a scripture that describes those on the left without your own interpretation? I mean, based on the very scripture you quote, it appears to be the devil and his angels who are on the left. You don't curse people to places clearly not designed for them.

2) Isn't the word for hell "gehenna"? Isn't that a Jewish reference? Was Jesus not speaking to a group of Jews during this conversation? It would seem as though we should wisely and rightly divide the word of truth here (2 Timothy 2:15). Gehenna is a place on earth. Back then, it was a garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem. So, are you suggesting that Jesus is referring to "death" and "total destruction" or "fiery torment"?

3) Clearly, this doesn't speak of fiery torment. Remember, this is a Jewish reference and Jesus is speaking to a group of Jews while having this conversation. So, we must read this verse with a Jewish mindset (rightly dividing the word of truth). Jesus is talking about moving from the Law into Grace. It's better to be poor living under Grace than it is to be rich living under the pressures of the Law.

This passage can't be about removing sin, because all of mankind sins, and we can't possibly live a life without sinning (1 John 1:10). It can't be about rejecting Christ, because then each body part would need to represent Christ, and that's simply not the case. We, the church, represent the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). He also can't be talking about removing us, the church. It simply doesn't make logical sense. So, what else could it be? Well, while using a Jewish mindset, it makes prefect sense.

 

[Qchan]

OK, so your theory is that if someone knew God as in personally, not just reading the bible with secular understanding but personally knew God. Then, because of the amazing Love God has, there is no way possible for there to be eternal punishment?

A person would question this eternal punishment, Despite scriptures that show it's there based on their knowing God personally?

First, lets get something straight. Hell is a concept, There are sorrows in hell, Jesus went to hell to preach to the spirits imprisoned there, Jesus told of Abraham's Bosom which the Pharisee's knew and understood as the place of the righteous dead, long before Jesus showed up. We see God place water in Hell to separate the hot side fixed with a gulf as Jesus described.

I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
(Eze 31:16)

And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
(Eze 32:27)

There is a good reason the Pharisee's believed as they did, they had scripture!!!

However, you claim to know a nature would make one look at scripture differently. Right? God is love, right?
Use your understanding of God's love to explain these then.

The Murder of David's Baby.
2Sa_12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

The unrighteous Murder of a mans children whom even God said was upright.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD................................................
.........................While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
(Job 1:18-19)

I believe the same as you, knowing someone does not make you read scriptures about God in a wrong way. That does not remove my belief in eternal punishment though. I'll explain why later.

However, explain these. Let's see how well you know God and his love.

Blessings.

The bible does an excellent job of describing who God is:

1) God doesn't lie - Titus 1:2
2) God will not accuse someone forever - Psalms 103:9 & Isaiah 57:16
3) God will not harbor his anger forever - Psalms 103:9 & Isaiah 57:16 & Psalms 30:5
4) God is merciful - Deut 4:31
5) God is loving - John 4:8
6) God is peaceful - Heb 13:20
7) God loves his enemies - Luke 6:35 & 1 Cor 13
8) God is kind to those who are unthankful and evil - Luke 6:35
9) God does not cast people off forever - Lam 3:31
10) God does not keep a record of the wrong any one did forever - 1 Corn 13:5
11) God is love - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
12) God is kind - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
13) God is patient - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
14) God does not envy - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
15) God does not boast - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
16) God is not self seeking - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
17) God is not prideful - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
18) God is not easily angered - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
19) God will never fail in anything he attempts to do - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
20) God is compassionate - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
21) God is gentle (to be considerate and kindly in disposition, not harsh or severe and easily managed or handled.) - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13

Understand that if God doesn't accuse someone forever, doesn't harbor his anger forever, does not keep a record of wrong anyone did forever, doesn't cast people off forever and loves his enemies, then the concept of hell doesn't make sense because it suggests that God does cast people off forever, accuses someone forever, harbors his anger forever and keeps a record of wrong anyone did forever.

If God truly loves his enemies and are kind to those who are unthankful and evil, how could he be kind while torturing those same people forever? Notice how it's a contradiction. It doesn't make logical sense, and if the shoe doesn't fit, you must quit!

 

[JLB]

Hi again.
1) Who are those on the left hand? Can you find a scripture that describes those on the left without your own interpretation? I mean, based on the very scripture you quote, it appears to be the devil and his angels who are on the left. You don't curse people to places clearly not designed for them.

2) Isn't the word for hell "gehenna"? Isn't that a Jewish reference? Was Jesus not speaking to a group of Jews during this conversation? It would seem as though we should wisely and rightly divide the word of truth here (2 Timothy 2:15). Gehenna is a place on earth. Back then, it was a garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem. So, are you suggesting that Jesus is referring to "death" and "total destruction" or "fiery torment"?

3) Clearly, this doesn't speak of fiery torment. Remember, this is a Jewish reference and Jesus is speaking to a group of Jews while having this conversation. So, we must read this verse with a Jewish mindset (rightly dividing the word of truth). Jesus is talking about moving from the Law into Grace. It's better to be poor living under Grace than it is to be rich living under the pressures of the Law.

This passage can't be about removing sin, because all of mankind sins, and we can't possibly live a life without sinning (1 John 1:10). It can't be about rejecting Christ, because then each body part would need to represent Christ, and that's simply not the case. We, the church, represent the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). He also can't be talking about removing us, the church. It simply doesn't make logical sense. So, what else could it be? Well, while using a Jewish mindset, it makes prefect sense.

31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:... 41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:31-34, 41-46


Those that Jesus sentences to the everlasting fires are the unrighteous ones who were gathered before Him on the Day of Judgement, when He returns with all His holy angels.


JLB

 

[Qchan]

Can't be a Parable. Jesus talked plainly to the reliegious leaders and he told them parables. The leaders should have known scriptures. His parable before He told about the Rich man got them upset because they understood it and they were covetous and did not share. So, Jesus tells them how it really ends up.

Jesus also gave a place and used names. Parables don't give places and use names. None that Jesus told.

Jesus also quoted Abraham Word for Word. If Abraham really did not say those things, then Jesus lied and is a talebearer of false things.

Pro_14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

So, if Abraham was not there, and there is no gulf or hell, then Jesus is not a Faithful witness, and lied about what Abraham said.

You claim to know God's nature of love, but you can't tell the difference between parables, lying, and baring false witness is.

How is that possible to know one, and not the other?

Well, now you're at a crossroad. Do you believe what the bible says when it tells you that Jesus always spoke in parables in public (Matthew 13:34)? Or do you reject what the bible is telling you and believe in the exact opposite?

 

[JLB]

2) Isn't the word for hell "gehenna"? Isn't that a Jewish reference? Was Jesus not speaking to a group of Jews during this conversation? It would seem as though we should wisely and rightly divide the word of truth here (2 Timothy 2:15). Gehenna is a place on earth. Back then, it was a garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem. So, are you suggesting that Jesus is referring to "death" and "total destruction" or "fiery torment"?

Jesus was teaching His disciples privately on the mount of Olives, concerning His Coming and the end of the age.

Those disciples were to be the leadership of the Church, and were given instructions to make other disciples and to teach them what Jesus taught.

That is the context and setting.

31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Matthew 25:31-33

All the nations will be gathered before Him... is the who that will be separated as a Sheppard divides sheep from goats.

All the nations is who will be judged and sentenced by Jesus Christ.

People from those nations is who will either inherit the kingdom or inherit the everlasting fires as everlasting punishment.

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


JLB

 

[JLB]

Well, now you're at a crossroad. Do you believe what the bible says when it tells you that Jesus always spoke in parables in public (Matthew 13:34)? Or do you reject what the bible is telling you and believe in the exact opposite?

Jesus was teaching His disciples, and was interupted by the Pharisee's who overheard what Jesus said, because they were greedy for money, and because the "thought" that anyone who was sick and broke was cursed by God, and anyone who was rich was blessed by God.

Jesus was teaching His disciples about money, which got the attention of the Pharisee's, and that's when they interrupted Jesus to deride Him...


The setting -

1 He also said to His disciples: "There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods...
10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.
11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own?
13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."
14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.... Luke 16:1, 10-14


That is the context and setting... Teaching His disciples plainly while rebuking the rude and greedy Pharisee's.


JLB

 

[Qchan]

31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:... 41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:31-34, 41-46


Those that Jesus sentences to the everlasting fires are the unrighteous ones who were gathered before Him on the Day of Judgement, when He returns with all His holy angels.


JLB

Now you're faced with defining what "nations" are. My guess is that you assume that nations simply means countries or races of people. However, that's simply not the only case. Nations simply mean a multitude belonging to a society. Satan has his own nation (kingdom) as well. Jesus said so himself when describing a nation/kingdom/house divided among itself cannot stand (Matthew 12:25). Are we to ignore the fact that Satan and his angels are also being judged here?

Also, you ignore something rather important. The "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". If something is prepared for the devil and his angels, why would God throw any human there? Do you toss a turkey into a toaster designed for toasting bread? Do you toss a VHS tape inside a Bluray player designed for Blurays? Do you direct a woman to a urinal designed for men? You're attempting to explain how to fit a square peg into a round hole while ignoring the existence of the round hole.

 

[Brother Mike]

1) God doesn't lie - Titus 1:2

If God does not lie, then You have to believe Jesus did not give false testimony on what Abraham said to the Rich man.

Well, now you're at a crossroad. Do you believe what the bible says when it tells you that Jesus always spoke in parables in public (Matthew 13:34)? Or do you reject what the bible is telling you and believe in the exact opposite?

No, we are not at crossroads. It did not say Jesus only Spoke parables in public. You made that up. It says when the Multitudes gathered around him, He spake only in parables.

The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
(Mar 7:26-27)

The multitudes also included the Greeks and other people, not just Jews. The Jewish people that had ears to hear would understand the parables, as He came for them, and many Jews followed him.

I gave you examples that when just the religious rulers where present, He did not always speak in Parables. They were suppose to know scriptures.

There is no crossroad here, there is one road, and you should join me on it.

 

[Qchan]

Jesus was teaching His disciples, and was interupted by the Pharisee's who overheard what Jesus said, because they were greedy for money, and because the "thought" that anyone who was sick and broke was cursed by God, and anyone who was rich was blessed by God.

Jesus was teaching His disciples about money, which got the attention of the Pharisee's, and that's when they interrupted Jesus to deride Him...


The setting -

1 He also said to His disciples: "There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods...
10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.
11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own?
13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."
14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.... Luke 16:1, 10-14


That is the context and setting... Teaching His disciples plainly while rebuking the rude and greedy Pharisee's.


JLB

Sorry, my friend. I must correct you on a mistake you've made. Jesus wasn't interrupted. In fact, Jesus was outside among a multitude of people (Luke 16:14-19).

Notice how the Pharisees were already scoffing at Jesus before he began telling the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. So, clearly, Jesus wasn't interrupted, nor were the Pharisees "over hearing" what Jesus was saying. They were already in front of him.

 

[JLB]

Now you're faced with defining what "nations" are. My guess is that you assume that nations simply means countries or races of people. However, that's simply not the only case. Nations simply mean a multitude belonging to a society. Satan has his own nation (kingdom) as well. Jesus said so himself when describing a nation/kingdom/house divided among itself cannot stand (Matthew 12:25). Are we to ignore the fact that Satan and his angels are also being judged here?

Also, you ignore something rather important. The "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". If something is prepared for the devil and his angels, why would God throw any human there? Do you toss a turkey into a toaster designed for toasting bread? Do you toss a VHS tape inside a Bluray player designed for Blurays? Do you direct a woman to a urinal designed for men? You're attempting to explain how to fit a square peg into a round hole while ignoring the existence of the round hole.

The nations are the races of people that are Gathered on the Day of Judgement.

The righteous will inherit the kingdom, and eternal life.


Now, you are faced with explaining to us how the nations of Satan's kingdom include "righteous" demons that will receive eternal life in the kingdom of God, since you claim the nations represent Satan and his kingdom.

Satan has his own nation (kingdom) as well. Jesus said so himself when describing a nation/kingdom/house divided among itself cannot stand (Matthew 12:25). Are we to ignore the fact that Satan and his angels are also being judged here?

JLB

 

[Qchan]

If God does not lie, then You have to believe Jesus did not give false testimony on what Abraham said to the Rich man.

Hmm... I feel our conversation is going to be very brief.
If you believe God lies, then you also believe the bible is wrong. If you don't believe the bible is wrong, then God doesn't lie.
So, tell me. Does God lie?

No, we are not at crossroads. It did not say Jesus only Spoke parables in public. You made that up. It says when the Multitudes gathered around him, He spake only in parables.

But you just said, "when the multitudes gathered around him, He spake only in parables". "Only" means, "always", my friend. If I only choose chocolate ice cream, then its safe to say I always choose chocolate ice cream.

 

[Qchan]

The nations are the races of people that are Gathered on the Day of Judgement.

The righteous will inherit the kingdom, and eternal life.


Now, you are faced with explaining to us how the nations of Satan's kingdom include "righteous" demons that will receive eternal life in the kingdom of God, since you claim the nations represent Satan and his kingdom.




JLB

You're assuming the fallen angels are forever condemned. Yet, Jesus traveled to Tartarus to preach to these very same angels (1 Peter 3:18-20).

 

[JLB]

Sorry, my friend. I must correct you on a mistake you've made. Jesus wasn't interrupted. In fact, Jesus was outside among a multitude of people (Luke 16:14-19).

Notice how the Pharisees were already scoffing at Jesus before he began telling the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. So, clearly, Jesus wasn't interrupted, nor were the Pharisees "over hearing" what Jesus was saying. They were already in front of him.

Maybe you forgot to read what was actually written in Luke, that's OK my friend I will write it out for you to read plainly -

1 He also said to His disciples: "There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods.
2 So he called him and said to him, 'What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward.'
3 Then the steward said within himself, 'What shall I do? For my master is taking the stewardship away from me. I cannot dig; I am ashamed to beg.
4 I have resolved what to do, that when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.'
5 So he called every one of his master's debtors to him, and said to the first, 'How much do you owe my master?'
6 And he said, 'A hundred measures of oil.' So he said to him, 'Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.'
7 Then he said to another, 'And how much do you owe?' So he said, 'A hundred measures of wheat.' And he said to him, 'Take your bill, and write eighty.'
8 So the master commended the unjust steward because he had dealt shrewdly. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light.
9 And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home.
10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.
11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own?
13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

Jesus is teaching His disciples.

The Pharisee's overheard Jesus teaching His disciples -

14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.

Sorry, my friend. I must correct you on a mistake you've made. Jesus wasn't interrupted. In fact, Jesus was outside among a multitude of people (Luke 16:14-19).

14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
16 The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.
19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.

Jesus said to the Pharisee's. Jesus addressed the Pharisee's who interrupted Him and derided Him as He was teaching His disciples.

There is no multitude of people that is described here by the scripture. There is Jesus teaching His disciples, and there is Jesus rebuking the greedy Pharisee's for falsely deriding Him.


I do agree with you, that they were outside.


JLB

 

[JLB]

You're assuming the fallen angels are forever condemned. Yet, Jesus traveled to Tartarus to preach to these very same angels (1 Peter 3:18-20).

Please explain how the nations, Satan's Kingdom as you say, will have some "righteous demons" or "righteous fallen angels" who will receive eternal life, when Jesus made this clear statement: into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

The devil and his angels... includes his angels, meaning all of his angels, not some of his angels.

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10

The everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


JLB

 

[JLB]

You're assuming the fallen angels are forever condemned. Yet, Jesus traveled to Tartarus to preach to these very same angels (1 Peter 3:18-20).

The spirits in prison refers to those who were disobedient during the days of Noah.

Not the devil and his angels. The devil and his angels had been cast of of heaven already at the time of Noah and the flood.

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.1 Peter 3:19-20


JLB

 

[Qchan]

Maybe you forgot to read what was actually written in Luke, that's OK my friend I will write it out for you to read plainly -

1 He also said to His disciples: "There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods.
2 So he called him and said to him, 'What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward.'
3 Then the steward said within himself, 'What shall I do? For my master is taking the stewardship away from me. I cannot dig; I am ashamed to beg.
4 I have resolved what to do, that when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.'
5 So he called every one of his master's debtors to him, and said to the first, 'How much do you owe my master?'
6 And he said, 'A hundred measures of oil.' So he said to him, 'Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.'
7 Then he said to another, 'And how much do you owe?' So he said, 'A hundred measures of wheat.' And he said to him, 'Take your bill, and write eighty.'
8 So the master commended the unjust steward because he had dealt shrewdly. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light.
9 And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home.
10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.
11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own?
13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

Jesus is teaching His disciples.

The Pharisee's overheard Jesus teaching His disciples -

14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.



14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
16 The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.
19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.

Jesus said to the Pharisee's. Jesus addressed the Pharisee's who interrupted Him and derided Him as He was teaching His disciples.

There is no multitude of people that is described here by the scripture. There is Jesus teaching His disciples, and there is Jesus rebuking the greedy Pharisee's for falsely deriding Him.


I do agree with you, that they were outside.


JLB

Well, notice how the Pharisees were already conversing with Jesus before he began speaking on the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Are you suggesting that Jesus did not speak to the Pharisees in a parable?