should a christian pay taxes

[Bob Carabbio]

theres that commandment that says were are to render unto caeaser what is caeser.
but if Satan is in total control of the governments, then isnt that helping satan?

Unimportant - Jesus paid taxes to a corrupt governmental system (used a fish to do so, in fact). Here in the U.S. taxation is the LAW, and I'm supposed to follow the laws - so I do. Keeps my happy heinie outta the slammer, don'cha know!!

Satan's already defeated anyway, so what he does isn't important one way or the other and God's ALWAYS had "All authority" - which HE's given to Jesus in this day and age.

 

[Danus]

We just need to make sure we are putting godly leaders in office.

There are crummy politicians on both sides. All of them are trying to convince us of their motives. They all want to have their hands on that money. Some for the good of this country and some for the good of themselves.

It's not that we should pay taxes, but how much and for what?

When I was a kid I'd go to the grocery store with my mom as if I where wanting to go to help. I'd split off and check out the little toy isle. I'd pick out something I wanted, a bag of army men or a cap gun. Then I'd find my mom and sneak the item into the cart. I'd make sure it was buried under some stuff. By the time we checked out it often made it to the bag. If I got busted at the check out I'd beg for it. Then I would graciously offer to help get those bags into the house.....so I could get my toy.

That's how politicians get your money. They come up with a need, then a bill, then sneak stuff in. If they get busted they argue and beg. then they go back to their state and grab their prize.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

We just need to make sure we are putting godly leaders in office.

And how, given the pathetic "Beauty contests" that we call "elections" in the U.S., would you actually DO that??? There's no trustworthy information available for ANYBODY to make anything like an "informed decision" on.

 

[Danus]

We just need to make sure we are putting godly leaders in office.

And how, given the pathetic "Beauty contests" that we call "elections" in the U.S., would you actually DO that??? There's no trustworthy information available for ANYBODY to make anything like an "informed decision" on.

I understand, but we all have one vote.

I think there are subtle ways to see the character of politicians. Where there is smoke there is usually fire. I don't want to start naming people, but you know what I mean. Beyond that we have prayer.

I think we would agree that we all expect fiscal responsibility from our leadership, but it may be inevitable that we won't have a certain level of it depending on who we have guarding the hen house.

 

[Vic C.]

Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[shad]

should a christian pay taxes

Of course, everyone should, including Christians.

 

[Danus]

should a christian pay taxes

Of course, everyone should, including Christians.

But what if that money goes to support things you don't like....like the military? as example.

 

[shad]

should a christian pay taxes

Of course, everyone should, including Christians.

But what if that money goes to support things you don't like....like the military? as example.

The governments are of this world, Jesus' followers do not control this world. The governments can use the taxes the way they want. Jesus' followers live in this world and use the same public things, why should they be exempt from paying taxes?

 

[jasoncran]

becuase by doing so by your line of thinking we are supporting a war machine. if we dont also voice our opinions.

if the lord didnt ordain and purpose a goverment, then who did?

 

[shad]

becuase by doing so by your line of thinking we are supporting a war machine. if we dont also voice our opinions.

Taxes are not just for the military. BTW, I dont vote. You are continually nitpicking without logic.

if the lord didnt ordain and purpose a goverment, then who did?

He established it for non-believers. You should start thinking with Bible's point of view, not your own secular way of thinking.

 

[Mysteryman]

Is not our gov. suppose to be --- By the people and for the people ?

The people did not want to go to war with Iraq, yet the gov. did. Was going to war against Iraq for the people of the US ? No, it was for the purpose of our gov. that thee were weapons of mass destruction , which they never found. Excuses by our gov. and false information to support such an effort, with tax money is not -- by the people, nor is it for the people of the U S !

Then our gov. changed its reasoning as to why we were in Iraq. To this very day, our gov. using our tax money go about doing what they want to do, and supporting their private funded war with tax payer money, that the majority of the people of the US never wanted in the first place.

Now it continues in Afganistan. What does the US gov. think it is going to accomplish in Afganistan ?

Is this for the people and by the people ? NO !

 

[Mysteryman]

What about the amount of tax money our gov. uses to do space exploration ? This is totally against the Word of God. God made this planet for habitation, yet our gov. is seeking another planet for habitation. And don't tell me that they are not, because they are !

 

[jasoncran]

What about the amount of tax money our gov. uses to do space exploration ? This is totally against the Word of God. God made this planet for habitation, yet our gov. is seeking another planet for habitation. And don't tell me that they are not, because they are !

while some of this i dont agree with, some christian say its ok to give our money to the govt, but not vote. its our money they are spending!

 

[Mysteryman]

What about the amount of tax money our gov. uses to do space exploration ? This is totally against the Word of God. God made this planet for habitation, yet our gov. is seeking another planet for habitation. And don't tell me that they are not, because they are !

while some of this i dont agree with, some christian say its ok to give our money to the govt, but not vote. its our money they are spending!

Hi Jason ;

It is our responsibility to vote, as it is one of the ways in which we voice our faith in the person we are voting into office. However, once this person is voted into office, some better than others, either will fight for the will of the people, while others will fight for the party they belong too.

We can find postives as well as negatives in the space program. However, what is the true goal of our space program. Is it not living life outside of this planet ?

And how much have they spent of our tax dollars ,and what have the people of the US received in return ?

A few moon rocks ! :rolling

False hopes that there could be water on some unknown planet ? And even if there is a frozen lake somewhere. Why do we seek life in this manner, using tax dollars, while our gov. finaces are going broke ? Where are the priorities of our gov. going ?

Right now, our gov. loves -- War -- funding pork --- and being very wasteful using tax dollars. The gov. does not even hold itself accountable anymore. Yet, it holds each individual tax payer responsible to the law. Yet the law, which is our gov. does not hold itself accountable to the law that they are suppose to stand for.

This country like so many other nations which came before the good ole USA, have gone down the tubes because of greed , immorality and etc, etc.

What I think some people are trying to express, is the fact that we should not attach ourselves to the gov. in such a manner, that our gov. above the Word of God.

We need a gov. and there is nothing wrong with having a gov. However, history will once again repeat itself.

 

[stovebolts]

theres that commandment that says were are to render unto caeaser what is caeser.
but if Satan is in total control of the governments, then isnt that helping satan?

The Roman Empire was about as corrupt and as full of systemic sin as it got, yet Paul said, (And juxtapose with book of Daniel)

Net Bible: Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 13:2 So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment 13:3 (for rulers cause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation, 13:4 for it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword in vain. It is God’s servant to administer retribution on the wrongdoer. 13:5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath of the authorities but also because of your conscience. 13:6 For this reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants devoted to governing. 13:7 Pay everyone what is owed: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

In the OT, God also used corrupt governments to over take Isreal when she falterd...

 

[Vic C.]

if the lord didnt ordain and purpose a goverment, then who did?

He established it for non-believers. You should start thinking with Bible's point of view, not your own secular way of thinking.

Really? You may want to research and study the earlier books of the OT. God granted the Israelites judges and kings... if it was/is ordained or decreed by the Lord, how is that a secular way of thinking?

Just going by the Book, shad. ;)

 

[Vic C.]

What about the amount of tax money our gov. uses to do space exploration ? This is totally against the Word of God. God made this planet for habitation, yet our gov. is seeking another planet for habitation. And don't tell me that they are not, because they are !

While I don't agree with all the Space program has in it's agenda, I don't criticize them either. Mankind, including Christians, have benefited socially from many discoveries and inventions and technologies which came from the program.

Hey, you nor I might not be here on the computers, yapping at each other. :D

 

[shad]

Really? You may want to research and study the earlier books of the OT. God granted the Israelites judges and kings... if it was/is ordained or decreed by the Lord, how is that a secular way of thinking?

Just going by the Book, shad. ;)

What's the difference between ordained and established? Those god's people were behaving like non-believers. Doesn't that remind you of your organization?

 

[Mysteryman]

What about the amount of tax money our gov. uses to do space exploration ? This is totally against the Word of God. God made this planet for habitation, yet our gov. is seeking another planet for habitation. And don't tell me that they are not, because they are !

While I don't agree with all the Space program has in it's agenda, I don't criticize them either. Mankind, including Christians, have benefited socially from many discoveries and inventions and technologies which came from the program.

Hey, you nor I might not be here on the computers, yapping at each other. :D

Hi Vic:

That might be true, or maybe not. But we all know, that the industrial revolution which was not that far off from the civil war era. Would, if we waited for machinery to take over the man power, then there would never had been any reason to have a civil war to begin with. Slavery would have been replace with machines. One of the reasons that there are not so many jobs out there today, is because of technology taking over what man used to be hired to do. Machines and robots that replace the worker. Jobs now are high tech. instead of man power. Some jobs still demands the labor force to be workers, but that is slowly diminishing at an alarming rate.

The dairy industry , which I was a part of for most of my life has changed dramatically. It use to be approx. 1 man per 20 milk cows. Now it is 1 man per 100 milk cows. And in the near future, probably 1 man per 1000 cows.

How many military funded jobs do you think are out there ? Jobs that demand civilian laborers, and manufacturing.

I believe in having a military and that it should be funded correctly and sufficently. However, do we as a nation know exactly what we are spending ? Do we realize the enormous amount of money we spend on many things that are not necessary ? Billions for space eploration , when that has nothing to do with government or military .

I was raised on black and white TV, which kinda shows my age. What we use to call needful, today you need your cell phone and I pod, and internet service and HD TV with 200 channels. When I was young, we only got two channels with rabbit ears on our TV. :biglaugh

 

[Mike]

What about the amount of tax money our gov. uses to do space exploration ? This is totally against the Word of God. God made this planet for habitation, yet our gov. is seeking another planet for habitation. And don't tell me that they are not, because they are !

While I don't agree with all the Space program has in it's agenda, I don't criticize them either. Mankind, including Christians, have benefited socially from many discoveries and inventions and technologies which came from the program.

Hey, you nor I might not be here on the computers, yapping at each other. :D

While I don't agree with all of the resources put into space exploration either, I do believe we were given His creation to explore and learn about ourselves. I saw a DVD a while back called "The Privileged Planet". It documents the roughly 30 perfect conditions that have to be in place for a planet to sustain life. Part of it talked about our unique place in our arm of the Milky Way. If we were closer to the middle or further to the end of the arm, we wouldn't have the ability to view the things we do. It's as though we were perfectly placed to give us the ability to learn about the universe.

Sorry to go further off topic. I made my comments about the Christian view of taxes earlier on.