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Some Things.. Hard To Be Understood..

Re: Can a man serve two masters ?

Perhaps another thing hard to be understood is the very nature of the CHRISTian life.. or should I say the dual nature of the Christian life...

Paul describes two men existing within the same lump of clay, what Paul also refers to as our earthen vessel.

The OLD MAN.. and the NEW MAN..

It's important to understand WHO these two men represent in Paul's writings. We know that we are to put off the old man who is corrupt according to deceitful lusts, and to put on the new man that is created in righteousness and true holiness. Paul also writes in Romans that we are to put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and to make no provision for the flesh.

I think that the scriptures make it clear that our old man is none other than who we are in our Adamic nature according to the flesh.. and that the new man is none other than the Spirit of Christ within us.. who Paul calls the Last Adam, or the second man.

Essentially, the gospel of God concerning His Son is the ultimate in ultimatums... seek to save our own life which is already condemned, or lose it for Christ and the gospel and save it..

Can a man serve two masters ?
A good post. So how come I can agree with all of it yet you cannot agree with my take on "freewill" ? For certainly if my will is free as in it's up to my discretion without any pre-existing conditions that have affected my will, I have no masters, there is no Old man or New man. For who chooses? The Old man or the New man?But if the will has been compromised by deception and is in need of the Truth, then there indeed is an Old man and a New man.
 
Great is the mystery. Consider, can good fruit come from a bad tree?
How then can God have created Satan? If only good can come from that which is utterly good, how then can the devil and fallen angels exist?

It is because of freewill. All angels were created good and in accordance with the Plan of God. The choice to do evil was made apart from the will of God. But now the mystery? How can man, who is lower than the angels, and who has joined in the rebellion, be saved?

This is the nature of the good news -- that God continues with us, this is what the angels are desirious to see -- how them who are lower than angels can become like Him?

This then is the Promise - that if we continue we shall be like Him, we do not now know what we shall be but it is the belief that He is good, that He shall continue with us and if we continue we shall be saved.
 
Great is the mystery. Consider, can good fruit come from a bad tree?
How then can God have created Satan? If only good can come from that which is utterly good, how then can the devil and fallen angels exist?

It is because of freewill. All angels were created good and in accordance with the Plan of God. The choice to do evil was made apart from the will of God. But now the mystery? How can man, who is lower than the angels, and who has joined in the rebellion, be saved?

This is the nature of the good news -- that God continues with us, this is what the angels are desirious to see -- how them who are lower than angels can become like Him?

This then is the Promise - that if we continue we shall be like Him, we do not now know what we shall be but it is the belief that He is good, that He shall continue with us and if we continue we shall be saved.
A wonderful response sparrowhawke. You ask the appropriate question, How can God have created Satan? However freewill is not the answer. For we read in scripture that the iniquity of Satan came through vanity not freewill. When asking why vanity exists, we see it is by mistaking the creator's attributes as the attributes of the created. Hence the Godhead is diminished and the incorruptible image of God changed unto an image of created things which are corruptible. Therefore, with all due respect, to say it is from freewill that evil comes is obscuring the truth.

In other words Satan believed he had a freewill and taught men the same thing. As we read in scripture, Satan said we could be like God if we had the knowledge of good and evil. This leaves the impression that good and evil are directions we could choose between, if only equipped with the necessary intellectual knowledge, and also implies God does so. This is not true, as we know that good and evil are not decisions, but conditions of character based upon one's image of God, and for God is the evidence of the holiness of His eternal Spirit which forms the good. Hence Love makes one righteous and the Love seen at the cross surpasses any love man could have imagined and therefore could never choose to have, without the revelation of God that comes through the Christ and his cross.

I like your comments on the angels and men, however I do not see rebellion as a freedom of choice but rather a slandering of Truth. The spirit of rebellion against God is fostered by a false image of god.
 
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Re: Can a man serve two masters ?

So how come I can agree with all of it yet you cannot agree with my take on "freewill" ?

As you say, it's probably just a matter of semantics..

For certainly if my will is free as in it's up to my discretion without any pre-existing conditions that have affected my will, I have no masters, there is no Old man or New man. For who chooses? The Old man or the New man?But if the will has been compromised by deception and is in need of the Truth, then there indeed is an Old man and a New man.

Prior to being 'in Christ', a person only has the old man. Although after being born again with the Spirit of Christ, then there would be the old and the new existing within the same lump of clay.
 
Glorydaz

“Amillennialsim has some really good points. Many end time theories sound good. I could argue many sides of that coin...and have,â€

It’s not that opinions have no truth whatsoever. What makes opinions opinions is the imagination contained therein that make them worthless in regard to knowing objective truth. The mind can easily turn an understanding of objective truth into a figment of the imagination. Fiction writers do it all the time. The trick is to realize when a work of fiction is a work of fiction. Some people can’t tell the difference between reality and a work of fiction. Creating works of fiction is something that we humans are quite capable of doing, though both God and Satan are sometimes blamed for the result. Human imagination through the practice of Biblical interpretation can turn a teaching of Jesus into only an opinion. It’s what myths are made of. A little truth and a lot of imagination. But the existence of a little truth in a myth doesn’t make a myth more than a myth.

I just don’t as yet believe that the Bible is composed of mythology that requires our interpretation to give it more meaning than it deserves. Nor do I believe that what Jesus has been teaching me is just mythology, nor that it’s just my own opinion. Now, if I interpret what Jesus teaches me, then I have an opinion. And that’s all I wish to ascertain with complete certainty. Because if what I believe is the teaching of Christ as he uses the Bible to teach me is just a personal opinion, it would be the epitome of foolishness to continue to believe it as if it were truth. And I “get on my knees and pray†that I am open minded enough to discern when what is or has been truth to me is merely an opinion. Because I don’t want “to be fooled againâ€. As I was with the man-made religion that’s Christianity.

Eventide claims that there are certain things in the Bible that can be understood easily by all. According to Christianity, that claim is not true. Even the doctrine of the nature and extent of the Gospel, the doctrine of how one is saved or reconciled to God, is a matter of opinion in Christianity. Depending on which Christian denomination one talks to. Obviously hard to understand by too many, if there are all those opinions. Who is it that determines what is easily understood and what is not? In Christianity, it’s the individual who makes that determination. Even when the denomination appears to be the authority, it’s only so because the individuals involved have made it so by their own determinations.

And if opinion is all there is, there are too many opinions that make more sense to the natural mind then the philosophies of Christianity, to be believing in such opinions. And that is what I’m opposing. The practice of Biblical interpretation is trying to understand the Bible with the natural mind. No matter how many deities are invoked to help to form one’s opinion. But as is always the case, a deity is always blamed for what actually comes out of the mind of men.


“but what would be the point? How we live our lives today is what matters.â€

Interesting that you say that here, but in the posts that follow you argue for an opinion about the future with another who has a different opinion about the future. I realize it’s an attempt to show a futurist the truth contained within that opinion. But I hope you will realize how futile that is when arguing with someone who has his own opinion that contains it’s own truth. Particularly one who claims that those who disagree with his opinion are deceived in their own conceits.

How we live today doesn’t change the truth that we’re saved by the faith and works of Christ. But how we live today shows whether or not we are following Jesus as Lord or following ourselves as Lord. Whether we are truly being conformed into the image of Jesus Christ or just continuing in or developing an image that is only our own. If we’re only believing in opinions, obviously we aren’t following Jesus as Lord. Rather, we’re following ourselves as Lord, just as we did before believing God. And while Satan may be the god of this world, he’s not a benevolent god that’s looking after our welfare. If we walk according to our own opinions and it leads to chaos, it matters little to him. In spite of the old adage “the devil made me do it†that attempts to shift the blame from ourselves to someone else, the chaos among humans is still humanly derived.

The easy-believism so popular in some Evangelical circles today doesn’t work in real life. We either have believed God and into Christ or we have believed in something of our own imagination or the imagination of another. Arguing about the opinions helps no one to be certain whether or not they’re in the faith, whether they’re in the faith of Christ or in their own faith. To have faith in, to be convinced in, an opinion saves no one.

FC
 
Eventide

“I would agree that eschatology is perhaps one of the 'things hard to be understood'â€

Depends on how you look at it. Opinions are hard to understand. For those in Christ and open minded to the real teaching of Jesus, and such who are of sufficient growth, truth which otherwise may seem hard isn’t hard at all. Truth is an easy yoke. Opinion is the hard taskmaster.

Matthew 11:
25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. 27 "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
(NIV)


“and doesn't make or break a Christian so to speak.â€

If what one believes of Eschatology is a “nonessential doctrineâ€, why all the effort to prove it as if it’s an essential doctrine?


“although it's very interesting to consider some of things which shall be hereafter.â€

We go to Christ or Christ will come to us, and so we will ever be with him. We have eternal life if we have believed into Christ for in Christ there is eternal life, beginning at the moment we are in Christ.

During the thousand year reign of Christ on the earth, those who believe and have overcome will reign with Christ. There are those who overcome in the ekklesia and receive such things as being given to eat of the Tree of Life, to eat of the hidden manna and to have a special stone in which is a new name written, power over the nations, to be clothed in white raiment and his name will never be blotted out of the Book of Life, to be a pillar in the Temple of God and upon him will be written the name of God and of the New Jerusalem, to sit with Christ on his throne. We will be with Christ in the New Jerusalem on the New Earth. We are promised that it will be a glorious state where there will be no more tears. That is what’s interesting to me.

Opinions concerning the nature of the thousand year reign of Christ, including the idea of a restoration of physical Israel, are only of interest to those who believe them.


I gave my understanding of why we should only believe the teaching of Christ, not our own interpretations or opinions derived through a practice that is dependent on methodologies that are as interpretive as the practice itself. Primarily because Biblical interpretation makes things easy to be understood into things hard to be understood. The many versions of Trinitarianism or lack thereof, the various eschatological ideas, should be sufficient to show this is so. And it’s interesting to me that those who practice interpretation, and claim it as the proper way to understand the Bible, have only one opinion that to them is objective truth. If these things are only opinions, then why all this intolerance against those who believe differently? Even if they choose to believe that what they believe is the truth? Why would that result in an opinion losing credence? After all, to you, it’s only an opinion. Or does it lose credence simply because it disagrees with your own opinion?

I agree that all the opinions about the future have nothing whatever to do with whether or not we have eternal life. Being in Christ, and being conformed to the Christ who is in us, is of central importance. Christianity is full of opinions about matters that don’t matter. Christianity is full of matters that are only opinions. How we view the nature of the Bible, and our understanding of the Bible concerning God, Jesus Christ, and our relationship to them; these are the things that matter. Since most of us will live less than a hundred years, what will happen in the future we’ll know with objective certainty soon enough.

FC
 
Eventide

“Not sure if I ever heard this one before... that Paul's writings are not scripture... â€

The red letter Bible believer, if that’s what he is, isn’t as uncommon as one might think. Even the Catholics, who believe in the inspiration of the entire New Testament, emphasize the place of the Gospels as something more than the rest of the NT because the literal words of Christ are contained therein. Not considering that if the other writings are the teaching of Christ, as Paul claims for his own writings, then all the New Testament is of the same importance, being all the teaching of Christ.


“The OLD MAN.. and the NEW MAN.â€

Not hard to understand at all. The old man is humanity in Adam, the natural man. The new man is humanity in Christ, the new creation in Christ. We can choose to walk by the flesh, to live the life of the old man or we can choose to walk by the Spirit, to live the life of the new man. Those who are in Christ who walk NOT by the Spirit, they seem as men, as those who live the life of the old man.

Ro 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Ga 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

Eph 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Eph 4:
17 ¶ This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,
18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;
19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But you have not so learned Christ,
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
25 Therefore, putting away lying, "Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor," for we are members of one another.
26 "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath,
27 nor give place to the devil.
28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you.

Col 3:
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.


This matter is fully related to the difference between the Old and New Covenants.


Heb 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb 10:
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


“Prior to being 'in Christ', a person only has the old man. Although after being born again with the Spirit of Christ, then there would be the old and the new existing within the same lump of clay.â€

Looks to me as if you understand more than you’re letting on.

FC
 
Childeye

Actually, the fact that there is an Old Man and a New Man, and the obvious choice as to whether to put on one or the other, shows the necessity of free will. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any reason to differentiate between them.

FC
 
Re: Can a man serve two masters ?

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Prior to being 'in Christ', a person only has the old man. Although after being born again with the Spirit of Christ, then there would be the old and the new existing within the same lump of clay.


2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
 
Re: Can a man serve two masters ?

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Did you forget about the verse which says to put off the old man who is corrupt according to deceitful lusts, and to put on the new man who is created in righteousness and true holiness..?

Some might consider some of Paul's writings like this to be a contradiction... although I think he speaks of our position in Christ as compared to being in Christ 'practically' so to speak..

For example... Paul tells us to set our affections on the things above and not on the things on the earth... for YOU ARE DEAD he writes...

Now, do you think that you're dead ?

I do... although practically I still deal with the flesh every day.
 
A nice segue perhaps into yet another thing which might be hard to understand..

POSITIONALLY in Christ WE are DEAD and our life is hid with God in CHRIST.. who IS our LIFE.. and yet Paul also mentioned that he beat his flesh into submission etc... because we still deal with the flesh in a PRACTICAL sense..

I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live, yet NOT I, but CHRIST liveth in me..
 
A nice segue perhaps into yet another thing which might be hard to understand..

POSITIONALLY in Christ WE are DEAD and our life is hid with God in CHRIST.. who IS our LIFE.. and yet Paul also mentioned that he beat his flesh into submission etc... because we still deal with the flesh in a PRACTICAL sense..

I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live, yet NOT I, but CHRIST liveth in me..

Yep, we still reside in these bodies of flesh, and they like to be pampered and patted and fed. ;)
 
Yep, we still reside in these bodies of flesh, and they like to be pampered and patted and fed. ;)

Yes, like how God chose them unconditionally... or how He only died for the elect ones... ;-)
 
Childeye

Actually, the fact that there is an Old Man and a New Man, and the obvious choice as to whether to put on one or the other, shows the necessity of free will. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any reason to differentiate between them.

FC
But this does not constitute a freewill, for comparing Truth with lies and saying we have a choice is not acknowledging that Truth is preferable to lies. Moreover, this Truth that heals ignorance comes by revelation so it cannot be said we chose of our own volition. Better said God by His grace brought light to my darkness and I was consequently able to see. The mere presence of choice does not make a will free, but the revealing of what is the true path wherein we do not need to choose, for there is only one true path, does make a man's will free.
 
Old and New

This is why it's important to carefully and prayerfully consider exactly who the old man is.. and who the new man is..

Here's what I've gleaned from the scriptures..

The old man is who I am naturally as a result of my parents, through that first 'physical' birth in the flesh.

The new man is Christ born in me, within my earthen vessel, when I was born again 'spiritually' through the power of the Holy Spirit of God.

The old man represents the first man Adam.. and the new man represents the second man who is the Last Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Christ in you...

Perhaps one of the largest misconceptions in Christendom today is that God is making me better.. almost as if He is making the old man better so to speak.. I could certainly be wrong about this, although I often get the impression that men believe this very thing.

I don't see the scriptures showing us that.. but rather a complete EXCHANGE of the old for the new.. ie, Christ born in me and the old man crucified with Him.. dead as Paul says.. even though we deal with the flesh in a practical sense.

To me it's utterly amazing to consider that God the Father gets to see His beloved Son born again in each and every person who believes, and then sees Him grow up within that person into that perfect man..

God isn't making me better at all.. my old man that is... I'm taught to put him off because he is corrupt according to deceitful lusts.. I'm taught to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and His righteousness.. and to not walk in the flesh but in the Spirit..

Of course our old man wants nothing to do with the new man.. there's a constant struggle within our members between the flesh and the Spirit.. and anyone who has been in Christ for a number of years can see this to be the case... the deceitfulness of sin and how it can easily beset us at times..

IMO it's the greatest exchange imaginable.. God's free gift is to trade in our old corrupt nature for His perfect divine nature.. within these frail jars of clay.. even within the same lump.
 
dead things dont get better they stink worse and worse and rot as such.

what is often and should better put as this we are saved at the cross (when we repented aka justification), and are being saved from the power of sin and will be saved physically when he returns
 
Re: Christ in you...

Perhaps one of the largest misconceptions in Christendom today is that God is making me better.. almost as if He is making the old man better so to speak.. I could certainly be wrong about this, although I often get the impression that men believe this very thing.

I don't see the scriptures showing us that.. but rather a complete EXCHANGE of the old for the new.. ie, Christ born in me and the old man crucified with Him.. dead as Paul says.. even though we deal with the flesh in a practical sense.

To me it's utterly amazing to consider that God the Father gets to see His beloved Son born again in each and every person who believes, and then sees Him grow up within that person into that perfect man..

God isn't making me better at all.. my old man that is... I'm taught to put him off because he is corrupt according to deceitful lusts.. I'm taught to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and His righteousness.. and to not walk in the flesh but in the Spirit..

Of course our old man wants nothing to do with the new man.. there's a constant struggle within our members between the flesh and the Spirit.. and anyone who has been in Christ for a number of years can see this to be the case... the deceitfulness of sin and how it can easily beset us at times..

IMO it's the greatest exchange imaginable.. God's free gift is to trade in our old corrupt nature for His perfect divine nature.. within these frail jars of clay.. even within the same lump.

Good word, brother.
 
Does anyone see the old man and the new man as something different than what I have stated above ?
 
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