The Day of the LORD... The Day of Jesus Christ...

[Eventide]

..and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son...

What a coincidence...

God hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son... The very word used for Enoch..

 

[Eventide]

Here's my point,when we die,and our flesh turns back to dust,we will never ever use that dust again....I feel we will have substance,but again that dust shall not rise!!!!

And of course your point rejects simple scripture which shows the resurrected Christ to have flesh and bone.

In this life man has "flesh and blood", a "natural" (or psychical) body. At death this spirit "returns to God Who gave it" (Ps. 31:5. Eccles. 12:7. Luke 23:46. Acts 7:59). In resurrection "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him" (1Cor. 15:38). This is no longer a "natural" (or psychical) body, but a "spiritual body" (1Cor. 15:44).

So why do you reject the simple biblical fact that The Lord Jesus Christ has flesh and bone after His resurrection ?

Why does His body here today have flesh and bone ?

I know, you can't explain it.. Right?

Did you ever consider that the Lord's resurrected body IS a spiritual body?

 

[Eventide]

Re: ..and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son...

Flesh and blood may not be in the kingdom, although we already know that flesh and bone is..

 

[n2thelight]

Just as there is not a single scriptural basis for the church of God coming to earth after it meets The Lord in the air.

I've asked multiple times to explain how the church of God is in heaven before the Lord's coming...

Nothing..

Gave it (from scripture)you just won't accept the answer......Again when one dies they autmatically return to God....They come back to earth for the simple fact,that is where Christ will come

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

And He comes with those who have went to sleep(died)

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."......

How can He bring them if they are not already there?Showed you once where they were,and you disputed that as well

Revelation 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"

Revelation 6:10 "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord [Master], holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth.".......

This cannot be after the 2nd coming for the simple fact,these souls want to be avenged

Revelation 6:11 "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


Also notice the fellowservant,and where they are.......

So don't say no one gave you the answer,as I said you just refuse to accept it!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Eventide]

Just as there is not a single scriptural basis for the church of God coming to earth after it meets The Lord in the air.

I've asked multiple times to explain how the church of God is in heaven before the Lord's coming...

Nothing..

Gave it (from scripture)you just won't accept the answer......Again when one dies they autmatically return to God....They come back to earth for the simple fact,that is where Christ will come

And of course this makes no sense at all... Because we'd have only part of the church of God in heaven at the marriage of the Lamb... Is that what you believe, that only the dead in Christ will be at the wedding and those that remain will not be there ?

Then of course I have asked why the dead in Christ would need to be raised first if they're already in their spiritual bodies... I'd love to hear your answer for that one but will certainly not be expecting you to answer it.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Just as there is not a single scriptural basis for the church of God coming to earth after it meets The Lord in the air.

I've asked multiple times to explain how the church of God is in heaven before the Lord's coming...

Nothing..

Gave it (from scripture)you just won't accept the answer......Again when one dies they autmatically return to God....They come back to earth for the simple fact,that is where Christ will come

And of course this makes no sense at all... Because we'd have only part of the church of God in heaven at the marriage of the Lamb... Is that what you believe, that only the dead in Christ will be at the wedding and those that remain will not be there ?

Then of course I have asked why the dead in Christ would need to be raised first if they're already in their spiritual bodies... I'd love to hear your answer for that one but will certainly not be expecting you to answer it.

the first resurrection has already begun, when Jesus rose in the flesh so did the saints in the graves matt 27 and since Jesus has risen so do rise to Him as we die flesh and raise in spiritual bodies I cor 15. no need for the soul to sleep but we are as the angels in heaven.


the church is already partly in heaven and will return WITH Him at the 2nd advent zech14,I thess4:13-14,jude1:14-15,rev 19 when He returns after the tribulation matt 24:29-31

Matthew 27:50-54

King James Version (KJV)

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.






1 Corinthians 15:40-45

King James Version (KJV)

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.





1 Corinthians 15:49-50

King James Version (KJV)

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.






acts 7
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Ecclesiastes 12:6-7

King James Version (KJV)

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.






Mark 12:24-27

King James Version (KJV)

24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.




Matthew 22:29-32

King James Version (KJV)

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.






John 11:24-26

King James Version (KJV)

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?







when Christ Jesus returns we who are alive and remain join Him/them in the AER=breath =g4151= spirit NOT 3772 sky thought the angels will carry believers to Him where He is after the tribulation not before.believers can't precede those saved dead in heaven as they died and are already there in their own order.

 

[n2thelight]

Just as there is not a single scriptural basis for the church of God coming to earth after it meets The Lord in the air.

I've asked multiple times to explain how the church of God is in heaven before the Lord's coming...

Nothing..

Gave it (from scripture)you just won't accept the answer......Again when one dies they autmatically return to God....They come back to earth for the simple fact,that is where Christ will come

And of course this makes no sense at all... Because we'd have only part of the church of God in heaven at the marriage of the Lamb... Is that what you believe, that only the dead in Christ will be at the wedding and those that remain will not be there ?

Then of course I have asked why the dead in Christ would need to be raised first if they're already in their spiritual bodies... I'd love to hear your answer for that one but will certainly not be expecting you to answer it.

What makes you think the marriage supper is in Heaven?It's not,it takes place right here on earth......The dead in Christ rise first because they are already with Him....How do you ignore the scriptures I gave you,well not ignore,how bout you explain them to me..........

 

[n2thelight]

Mark 12:26 "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' "

Jesus is saying here, "now lets talk about the dead for a moment." Jesus is reminding these Sadducees that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead, yet God has said, I am the God of these men, and if God were the God of these men at Moses time, than each of these three men would still have to be alive. To be a God over anybody they would have to be alive to have a God over them. The meaning to this is that nobody is dead yet, not even Satan and his evil spirits, and fallen angels. Sure Satan was condemned to death in the first earth age, however that sentence will not be carried out until after the Millennium age, and the great white throne judgment. Jesus is telling these men that they don't know what they are even talking about.

Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err."

Any one that teaches that there loved one is out there in a hole in the ground, waiting for a rapture is just as these Sadducees, greatly in err. That is what the heathen believe and it is called "soul sleep". The other piece of traditional trash that is taught today, is that some day they will join back to their dead and decayed flesh body. Wake up pal, when the flesh body is dead it is gone forever, and it will have no more of value than a hand full of dirt.

Many times pastors deal with this, where remains are dug up and moved to another place, or have been in a state of decay for a long time. Do you know what is there? Nothing but dust, and that is what Solomon was telling you inEcclesiastes 12:7. God is the God of the living and He loves all of His children. All that flesh is, is dirt and that is why it states "dust to dust". Upon death the flesh returns to the elements that it is made of.

 

[Eventide]

What makes you think the marriage supper is in Heaven?It's not,it takes place right here on earth......The dead in Christ rise first because they are already with Him....How do you ignore the scriptures I gave you,well not ignore,how bout you explain them to me..........

Now this is funny... You've already admitted to answering this question about how the church is in heaven prior to the Lord's coming... And now you're trying to change it to being here on earth.

All this tells me is that you're intentionally being deceptive, and not sincerely trying to engage in a useful conversation at all.

I really don't understand why folks like yourself do this, but they do.

 

[Eventide]

Mark 12:26 "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' "

Jesus is saying here, "now lets talk about the dead for a moment." Jesus is reminding these Sadducees that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead, yet God has said, I am the God of these men, and if God were the God of these men at Moses time, than each of these three men would still have to be alive. To be a God over anybody they would have to be alive to have a God over them. The meaning to this is that nobody is dead yet, not even Satan and his evil spirits, and fallen angels. Sure Satan was condemned to death in the first earth age, however that sentence will not be carried out until after the Millennium age, and the great white throne judgment. Jesus is telling these men that they don't know what they are even talking about.

Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err."

Any one that teaches that there loved one is out there in a hole in the ground, waiting for a rapture is just as these Sadducees, greatly in err. That is what the heathen believe and it is called "soul sleep". The other piece of traditional trash that is taught today, is that some day they will join back to their dead and decayed flesh body. Wake up pal, when the flesh body is dead it is gone forever, and it will have no more of value than a hand full of dirt.

Many times pastors deal with this, where remains are dug up and moved to another place, or have been in a state of decay for a long time. Do you know what is there? Nothing but dust, and that is what Solomon was telling you inEcclesiastes 12:7. God is the God of the living and He loves all of His children. All that flesh is, is dirt and that is why it states "dust to dust". Upon death the flesh returns to the elements that it is made of.

How thoughtless it was of Peter (the Apostle to the circumcision) to mention King David's Tomb being here to this day.

What truly amazes me are professing Christians who completely dismiss the simple truth of the word of God to push their own agenda... Whatever that may be... Things like different earth ages etc..

 

[n2thelight]

What makes you think the marriage supper is in Heaven?It's not,it takes place right here on earth......The dead in Christ rise first because they are already with Him....How do you ignore the scriptures I gave you,well not ignore,how bout you explain them to me..........

Now this is funny... You've already admitted to answering this question about how the church is in heaven prior to the Lord's coming... And now you're trying to change it to being here on earth.

All this tells me is that you're intentionally being deceptive, and not sincerely trying to engage in a useful conversation at all.

I really don't understand why folks like yourself do this, but they do.

I don't think you pay attention to well,reading is fundamental(not trying to be funny)

Those who died in Christ are in Heaven,if you want to call them the Church,so be it.....When Christ returns,they come with Him(to earth)at which time those in Christ (here on earth)shall be changed into like bodies of those that come back with Christ...Then the marriage supper.....What part are you not getting???!!!!

 

[Eventide]

What part of flesh and bone don't you get ?

I can play your game as well but really have no desire to..

You'll have to play with someone else.

 

[n2thelight]

What truly amazes me are professing Christians who completely dismiss the simple truth of the word of God to push their own agenda... Whatever that may be... Things like different earth ages etc..

I could explain the 3 earth ages to ya,but you can't get the milk,as for my agenda,I don't have one,other than planting seeds,and I can't make them grow,only God!!!

Now about Davids tomb

Acts 2:29 "Men and Brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."

Yes his bones are still there but he is not,he is in Heaven,he will never use those bones again!!!!!

 

[n2thelight]

What part of flesh and bone don't you get ?

I can play your game as well but really have no desire to..

You'll have to play with someone else.

Not a game,I do that on my ps3.....Let me ask you a question,Did Christ ascend to Heaven in a flesh body?????

 

[Eventide]

What truly amazes me are professing Christians who completely dismiss the simple truth of the word of God to push their own agenda... Whatever that may be... Things like different earth ages etc..

I could explain the 3 earth ages to ya,but you can't get the milk,as for my agenda,I don't have one,other than planting seeds,and I can't make them grow,only God!!!

Now about Davids tomb

Acts 2:29 "Men and Brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."

Yes his bones are still there but he is not,he is in Heaven,he will never use those bones again!!!!!

Why don't you start a thread about your three earth ages ?

As for David's bones... I would guess Ezekiel 37 (as already discussed in this thread) is just more fill in the word of God, like the sea giving up its dead and the graves hearing His voice.

Obviously you don't believe it, so what seeds are you planting... If they're not the incorruptible seed of the word of God ?

I would ask that you plant them elsewhere although from experience I know that this isn't going to happen.

 

[Eventide]

Yes He did, and were told He will come again the same way...

Please start your own thread for your earth age stuff... I'm sure you'll have plenty of folks eating it up.

 

[n2thelight]

Yes He did, and were told He will come again the same way...

Please start your own thread for your earth age stuff... I'm sure you'll have plenty of folks eating it up.

How do you recocile the fact that,flesh and blood can't enter the kingdom of Heaven and Christ as you say being flesh and blood...Does the Word of God contradict itself?Also I take it you believe in soul sleep,would this be correct?

 

[Eventide]

Yes He did, and were told He will come again the same way...

Please start your own thread for your earth age stuff... I'm sure you'll have plenty of folks eating it up.

How do you recocile the fact that,flesh and blood can't enter the kingdom of Heaven and Christ as you say being flesh and blood...Does the Word of God contradict itself?Also I take it you believe in soul sleep,would this be correct?

Why are you doing this ? You know perfectly well that I have said Christ and His body has flesh and bone.. Not flesh and blood.

I know you're doing it on purpose, and can't for the life of me figure out why?

Why ?

 

[Eventide]

Is it because you can't fathom the thought that you might be wrong ?

We are all wrong... The scriptures are right. Let God be true and every man a liar. You and myself included.

 

[n2thelight]

Yes He did, and were told He will come again the same way...

Please start your own thread for your earth age stuff... I'm sure you'll have plenty of folks eating it up.

How do you recocile the fact that,flesh and blood can't enter the kingdom of Heaven and Christ as you say being flesh and blood...Does the Word of God contradict itself?Also I take it you believe in soul sleep,would this be correct?

Why are you doing this ? You know perfectly well that I have said Christ and His body has flesh and bone.. Not flesh and blood.

I know you're doing it on purpose, and can't for the life of me figure out why?

Why ?

Honest mistake,really was...My apologies..........So flesh and blood can't but flesh and bone can,would this be correct??

Is it because you can't fathom the thought that you might be wrong ?

We are all wrong... The scriptures are right. Let God be true and every man a liar. You and myself included.

I don't know everthing,however that which I post I'm pretty sure about....The scripture's are right,that we can agree on......