The Day of the LORD... The Day of Jesus Christ...

[Eventide]

Honest mistake,really was...My apologies..........So flesh and blood can't but flesh and bone can,would this be correct??

Is it because you can't fathom the thought that you might be wrong ?

We are all wrong... The scriptures are right. Let God be true and every man a liar. You and myself included.

I don't know everthing,however that which I post I'm pretty sure about....The scripture's are right,that we can agree on......

And you tell me that I don't read well... while you don't bother to read what I've written... Because that's what I've written on at least three separate posts...

That's correct, flesh and bone, like His body, the church, not flesh and blood, flesh and bone. And we already know that we have been translated into the kingdom of His dear Son.. So flesh and bone is obviously in.

 

[n2thelight]

Honest mistake,really was...My apologies..........So flesh and blood can't but flesh and bone can,would this be correct??

Is it because you can't fathom the thought that you might be wrong ?

We are all wrong... The scriptures are right. Let God be true and every man a liar. You and myself included.

I don't know everthing,however that which I post I'm pretty sure about....The scripture's are right,that we can agree on......

And you tell me that I don't read well... while you don't bother to read what I've written... Because that's what I've written on at least three separate posts...

That's correct, flesh and bone, like His body, the church, not flesh and blood, flesh and bone. And we already know that we have been translated into the kingdom of His dear Son.. So flesh and bone is obviously in.

;) Okay still dosn't change the fact that at death,whatever kind of body you want to call it,we receive at that time..........So I still stay where I am,and that is ,the dust will not become a body again......

 

[Eventide]

Honest mistake,really was...My apologies..........So flesh and blood can't but flesh and bone can,would this be correct??

Is it because you can't fathom the thought that you might be wrong ?

We are all wrong... The scriptures are right. Let God be true and every man a liar. You and myself included.

I don't know everthing,however that which I post I'm pretty sure about....The scripture's are right,that we can agree on......

And you tell me that I don't read well... while you don't bother to read what I've written... Because that's what I've written on at least three separate posts...

That's correct, flesh and bone, like His body, the church, not flesh and blood, flesh and bone. And we already know that we have been translated into the kingdom of His dear Son.. So flesh and bone is obviously in.

;) Okay still dosn't change the fact that at death,whatever kind of body you want to call it,we receive at that time.........

Which once again demonstrates how your own opinion trumps what the word of God says... Because we are all obviously waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our bodies... which doesn't happen at death, but at the resurrection of the dead.

.So I still stay where I am,and that is ,the dust will not become a body again......

Awesome, go start a thread about it.

 

[n2thelight]

Awesome, go start a thread about it.

Naw,don't want to do that,however let me share this with you

Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,"

Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light."

Jesus Christ's transfiguration let these three disciples know that through the resurrection the flesh body will be transfigured, rather then left. These three have witnessed before the fact that Christ's body will be transfigured. Meaning that the flesh shall not be left behind, whereby the unbelievers could say, He didn't go anywhere. There is the flesh.

Every time a person dies there is an immediate removal of the soul back to the Heavenly Father, and the flesh is left to rot. The unbeliever simply can't understand that because the body is laying there on the slab. The persons beautiful spiritual body returns to God that gave it.

In this case, there had to be a transfiguration to stop the talk, and have witnesses to the fact, so no one could deny that He arose.

 

[Eventide]

Naw,don't want to do that,however let me share this with you

Why ?

Why would you want to share this when I just showed you a simple biblical fact that you outright deny.

Your complete disrespect for the truth of the word of God speaks louder than anything else you could possible say.
EDITED

 

[n2thelight]

Naw,don't want to do that,however let me share this with you

Why ?

Why would you want to share this when I just showed you a simple biblical fact that you outright deny.

Your complete disrespect for the truth of the word of God speaks louder than anything else you could possible say.

I'll ignore your posts if you will not simply take them elsewhere.

Truth is dirt dust or whatever you want to call this flesh will not rise.....

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

This is written by Solomon to the flesh man that walks under the sun, and when the life of the flesh is over, it has no more knowledge or thought than a stick or rock. It is useless, but the soul that is within it is gone and with the Father.

There's your answer....We have two bodies one flesh and one spirit,do you not understand Paul......

You can ignore my post,it's all good,looks like you've been doing that anyway

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[Eventide]

As anyone can see.. These last days affirm how some people can completely dismiss the truth of the word of God as if it doesn't matter at all.

Foundational truths of the gospel of God's Son, like the resurrection of the dead, completely ignored and rejected while embracing these wild ideas which can't be explained.

Serious times... Indeed...

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Naw,don't want to do that,however let me share this with you

Why ?

Why would you want to share this when I just showed you a simple biblical fact that you outright deny.

Your complete disrespect for the truth of the word of God speaks louder than anything else you could possible say.

I'll ignore your posts if you will not simply take them elsewhere.

Truth is dirt dust or whatever you want to call this flesh will not rise.....

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

This is written by Solomon to the flesh man that walks under the sun, and when the life of the flesh is over, it has no more knowledge or thought than a stick or rock. It is useless, but the soul that is within it is gone and with the Father.

There's your answer....We have two bodies one flesh and one spirit,do you not understand Paul......

You can ignore my post,it's all good,looks like you've been doing that anyway

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:amen not wild ideas just scripture

 

[Eventide]

Another who rejoices in rejecting the simple truth of the resurrection of the dead.

I guess I shouldn't be as surprised as I am.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Another who rejoices in rejecting the simple truth of the resurrection of the dead.

I guess I shouldn't be as surprised as I am.

Matthew 22:28-32
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.


Mark 12:23-27
23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.


1 Corinthians 15:40-45
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


Galatians 1:6-7

King James Version (KJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

 

[Eventide]

There will be no more debates in that last day, when the resurrection of the dead does happen.

Until then we'll simply have to expect its simple truth to be turned on its head in every way one could imagine.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

There will be no more debates in that last day, when the resurrection of the dead does happen.

Until then we'll simply have to expect its simple truth to be turned on its head in every way one could imagine.

the resurrection has already begun, no need for a Christian to remain in the grave and soul sleep

matt 27
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

began in the flesh while Christ was on earth proving He has defeated death already and now to heaven with Him and will return with Him I thess 4:13-14,jude 1:14-15,rev 19 zech 14

1 Corinthians 15:40-45

King James Version (KJV)

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.




acts 7

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

 

[Eventide]

Well, most Christians know perfectly well what to do when false teachers try to tell us that the resurrection is past already, or already happening.

What is it according to the Apostle Paul... Vain babbling..

 

[n2thelight]

Well, most Christians know perfectly well what to do when false teachers try to tell us that the resurrection is past already, or already happening.

What is it according to the Apostle Paul... Vain babbling..

Seems to me,your not listening to Paul!!!How do you think Moses appeared with Christ????

 

[JLB]

Well, most Christians know perfectly well what to do when false teachers try to tell us that the resurrection is past already, or already happening.

What is it according to the Apostle Paul... Vain babbling..

Seems to me,your not listening to Paul!!!How do you think Moses appeared with Christ????

Paul defines the resurrection of the dead, and it is linked to Christ and His resurrection.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

We have two distinct groups of people that the resurrection of the dead refers to.

1. Christ
2. Everyone else.

If you are not Jesus Christ, then you fall into category number 2.


21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.

Here we see the two distinct categories of people displayed again -

1. Christ
2. Those who are His

However, in verse 23 we see an element of timing added to the equation.

AFTERWARD.

That means after Christ is resurrected, then everyone else will be resurrected from the dead AT HIS COMING.

38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:38-44

The natural flesh body that we now have, will be raised with a spiritual body like Jesus, that will never die.

The resurrection will happen for all those who are Christ's, when He comes at the end of the age.

• Moses and Elijah do not have their resurrected bodies yet.

• The OT saints that were raised out of Abraham's Bosom do not have there resurrected bodies yet.

To qualify for the resurrection of the dead, whereby we receive our glorified spiritual bodies that will never die, it must take place when Jesus Comes in the clouds with power and great glory at the end of the age.

If you still have a flesh body, then Jesus has not returned at the end of the age.

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


He will raise us up on the last Day.

Us means everyone who are His.


JLB

 

[reba]

Different views are just that different views lets not get into personal battles . Those battles close thread and do no one any good.

2.4: No Trolling. Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

Not necessarily directed at the last poster.

 

[Eventide]

You mean I should scrap the new thread I was thinking about concerning how post tribbers are all deceived by satan etc... Lol

Just kidding...

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

You mean I should scrap the new thread I was thinking about concerning how post tribbers are all deceived by satan etc... Lol

Just kidding...

Hey that's interesting....how would you describe believing Jesus Christ is satan deceiving post tribbers as we think it's the pre trib timing that's been added to scripture that's deceiving.





Matthew 24:29-31

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


where does paul say the Lord's coming is different from what the Lord said?:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

King James Version (KJV)

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.




Matthew 27:50-54

the resurrection of the dead has already began:


50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.




we meet the Lord in the aer=breathg109 spiritg4151 not g3772 sky and paul never says the Lord's coming is pre trib?

1 Corinthians 15:40-45

King James Version (KJV)

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.




why would a Christian be lead astray from the Lord's words to look for Jesus at a different time than He said? Timing is extremely critical as Jesus Christ warns false Christs come claiming to be Him prior to His post trib return.


thankfully Jesus tells believers the tares will be gathered first

(taken 1st by false Christs leading to satan on the mount)



while post tribbers heed the Lord's words to not be deceived



Just wondering based on the scriptures which verse says Jesus Christ is coming pre trib ? thanks again for your comments:yes

 

[Eventide]

these are the things which shall be hereafter...

Many folks speak of the generation alive during the time of Christ, and yet very few speak of the regeneration when He comes again in His glory.. at the revelation of Jesus Christ...whom the HEAVEN must receive until the times of restitution of all things.

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

 

[JLB]

Re: these are the things which shall be hereafter...

Many folks speak of the generation alive during the time of Christ, and yet very few speak of the regeneration when He comes again in His glory.. at the revelation of Jesus Christ...whom the HEAVEN must receive until the times of restitution of all things.

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

:amen