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The Day of the LORD... The Day of Jesus Christ...

Yes Rev 6 is the Day of the Lord,but not until verses 14-17 yet you have people there in Heaven in verse 9,how did they get there?

Again, I disagree... IMO The Day of The Lord begins in chapter 4 when John is given the revelation of the things which shall be hereafter... And that's the next Day coming up on the prophetic timeline, following these last days.

The Day of the Lord starts the Milennium,dosn't happen until the 7th trump....Actually that Day dosn't happen until the 11th chapter,although it starts in the 6th

Let's look at chapter 6

Revelation 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

At Jesus Christ's return their will be a mighty shaking. Those mountains are nations, and they will not be moved, but removed and not exist as governing bodies. There will be only Christ's Kingdom left on this earth, as we move into the Millennium age of Christ's kingdom.

Revelation 6:15 "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"

All mankind except God's "elect", the remnant, and the 144,000 of chapter seven, will be part of Satan's [Antichrist's] kingdom. When the rest of the Christians see our Lord Jesus Christ coming, they will all know immediately what they have done. Then the shame will be great, to the point of killing themselves, if it were possible. But it will not be possible for all souls will be changed into their incorruptible bodies at the coming of Christ. I Corinthians 15:50-54 reveals that no flesh and blood can nor will exist at that time, nor will any of the things dealing with the flesh body exist.

Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

This bears repeating, but if you simply can not understand that the Antichrist comes first, before Jesus Christ's return, you will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ. This verse is describing how you will feel when you see the true Christ at the seventh trumpet. The fear will be so great that it will be a terror to your mind for the sins that you have committed in worshipping the false christ.

Revelation 6:17 "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Now let's look at chapter 11

Revelation 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

This is the "rapture" those that followed Satan as the Antichrist are going to miss. The rising of the two saints. At this same instant Christ will be coming here to earth.

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Within the hour, the earthquake that is going to split the mount of Olives will take place. A way, or path will be made for Christ's children to make it back to Him.

Why would God kill 7000 men at this moment? Those are the angels of Satan will die at this time, all of them. They are the men that God will kill. Satan's time for his story telling is over, and all those fallen angels helping him will be destroyed.
The "remnant" that is of God's election will give glory to God because it is over. The tribulation, the testing, these flesh bodies, and this earth age of the flesh will be over. Friend, this is not something that is centuries into the future, but in a matter of a few years. We are living in this final generation.

Revelation 11:14 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

Remember that the first woe was the coming to earth of Satan, also called "Abaddon" in the Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in the Greek, with all his locust army to seduce the entire earth. This is what was taught in chapter nine. The first woe ended with their massive appearance on the earth that would cause the peoples of the earth to worship Satan as the Christ.

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.



 
When the rest of the Christians see our Lord Jesus Christ coming, they will all know immediately what they have done. Then the shame will be great, to the point of killing themselves

What is your definition of Christian? If you are a Christian, you are of the body of Christ. You are either a Christian or a non-Christian.
 
That's why all will be changed at the 7th trump

Scripture that are all changed on some seventh trumpet. The Greek for the last trump, the trumpet will sound is the sound of a trumpet on the last reverberation of it. Trumpets were blown in a series or together with the last fading off. How do you know seven trumpets are playing? Its the last sound of "A" trumpet.



So how did Christ go through the wall?

Scripture that says Christ went through a wall. He appeared in the room with them. Scripture please.

The Day of the Lord starts the Milennium,dosn't happen until the 7th trump....Actually that Day dosn't happen until the 11th chapter,although it starts in the 6th

The Day of the Lord does not start in Rev 6. In fact, John was just given a vision of what each Seal, Trumpet and Vial would bring. They are not in order, but an account of what is going to happen.
The 7th Angelic trumpet, then the 6th and 7th seal would most logicaly follow in that order. Rev 14 is an account of what takes place in 19, and the start of rev 14 is an account of the end of Rev 7 with the 144,000. The events themselves take place in 19 ending the tribulation with the 6th and 7th seal after the 7th angelic trumpet is blown ending the Tribulation as promised to keep it short or no flesh would be saved.

What do the Scriptures tell us the Kingdom of God is?

The Kingdom of God abides IN US. Kingdom is not a place, but in us.

When the rest of the Christians see our Lord Jesus Christ coming, they will all know immediately what they have done. Then the shame will be great, to the point of killing themselves, if it were possible.

Right now, I can see you have much more to learn, and should be reading and taking notes. Killing themselves? The rest of the Christians? Can you point to the scripture where God has a remnant outside the 144,000?

Mike.
 
Not an answer

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I gave the location of it. That should count for something.

It's literally translated, A ruling standing, or right standing in Authority with/of God.

Mike.
 
Sheesh Mike" What do the Scriptures tell us the Kingdom of God is?" Romans 14:17

Is Sheesh your best at Snarky? You need lots of work on your snarky. It is those things, and the Kingdom in us are those things. Jesus said seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness to get your needs met, so it is your standing, righteousness and joy having God meet all your need. It is peace.

I agree with all that. Certainly more there than what Breaking down some Greek words bring. It is something we should all be enjoying today.

Mike.
 
The Day of the Lord does not start in Rev 6

Nope, it starts in Revelation 1:9-11:

9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,†and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.â€

3 things we can glean from these verses:

1 John was writing DURING "THE Tribulation"

2 John was in the spirit on "the Lords Day" which IS "The Day of the Lord" - Just as The wrath of the Lord = The Lords Wrath, The Mercy of the Lord = The Lords Mercy, The Grace of the Lord = the Lords grace, likewise does The Day of the Lord = The Lords Day. ALL these scriptural terms are synonymous with one another. One can not honestly assign polar opposite meanings to synonymous terms in scripture.

3 These Tribulation and DOTL events pertained primarily and immediately to the seven first century Churches in Asia Minor. 7 ACTUAL first century Churches with ACTUAL air breathing, blood pumping Christian human beings that Jesus ordained these events to fall upon.


This is History folks.
 
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, And the earth will move out of her place, In the wrath of the Lord of hosts And in the day of His fierce anger. JLB


JBL, we can't pull texts from the entire context and ignore the full picture if we are to get the best understanding possible. When looking at the entire context, it's hard to see how those described in verses 4&5 are not the same as those acting in verses 15&16.
 
Rev33 said:
This is History folks.

We've already been warned once about turning this into preterism, would you please keep these type of posts out of this thread and in their own forum where they belong.

Thanks
 
Not sure what you're trying to say here, because to me these verses are showing us the resurrected Christ in the way which only the bible can.. miraculously.

He has flesh and bone, and the marks of Calvary on His person..? How can these things be denied ?

We also see that He can appear in the midst of His people.. Amen to that.. so there's clearly some miraculous aspects of His appearing post resurrection... no doubt about it..

Although as mentioned, what are you suggesting, that He was not raised bodily, ir that we're not going to be raised bodily as He was ?

I don't know how else to explain it,Im not denying we won't have a body,what Im saying ,is that it will not be flesh......That's why all will be changed at the 7th trump,those who are alive at His coming,those who have died are coming with Him,and have already changed,again not flesh

If you can't explain it according to scripture then we have a problem. According to scripture we see a resurrected Christ with flesh and bone.


So how did Christ go through the wall?

How did He walk on water? That was before His crucifixion. Jesus went out of His way to explain that His resurrected body was physical. God the Son could walk through walls, walk on water, conceal His appearance, raise the dead, command storms, etc. all in a physical body.
 
The Day of the Lord does not start in Rev 6

Nope, it starts in Revelation 1:9-11:

9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

3 things we can glean from these verses:

1 John was writing DURING "THE Tribulation"

2 John was in the spirit on "the Lords Day" which IS "The Day of the Lord" - Just as The wrath of the Lord = The Lords Wrath, The Mercy of the Lord = The Lords Mercy, The Grace of the Lord = the Lords grace, likewise does The Day of the Lord = The Lords Day. ALL these scriptural terms are synonymous with one another. One can not honestly assign polar opposite meanings to synonymous terms in scripture.

3 These Tribulation and DOTL events pertained primarily and immediately to the seven first century Churches in Asia Minor. 7 ACTUAL first century Churches with ACTUAL air breathing, blood pumping Christian human beings that Jesus ordained these events to fall upon.


This is History folks.

Or Rev 1:10 could just mean John was in the spirit on a Sunday. Perhaps even an Easter Sunday.

You're right to not ignore the historical context. Without contextual constraints one could believe everything in Revelation pertained to them. Well, actually just the good stuff.
 
1 John was writing DURING "THE Tribulation"

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This has taken place? History text please of this recored.

John a companion in tribulation thlipsis (Because of the things going on In Asia Minor at the time)

So, in your thinking, the only tribulation (Pressure, persecution) Would be the events John wrote about in Revelation. John could not have possibly had any issue being banished to an Island, which John Wrote to his brothers sharing the same persecution.

So in your thinking the trumpets sounded, the vials released and there is a new heaven and earth now.

It's not "The Tribulation" John was going through persecution.

2Co 8:13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: thlipsis

OK, I get it. According to your great and vast knowledge, coming in with 54 post. You must also believe that Paul was being put through "THE Tribulation" also by other believers. Same Greek word as that would could not possibly mean anything else but "THE GREAT TRIBULATION"

thlipsis Is the great, the only Tribulation!!!!

I learn new things everyday.... Thank you so much for your great wisdom and insight. :)



Mike.
 
The King's Domain

Some talk of the Kingdom of God...

The Kingdom means the King's Domain.

Is the earth God's Kingdom today...? ..not if you believe the scriptures. Satan is the god of this present evil world and that's why the LORD is calling people out of it.

Is the kingdom within the hearts of His church... of course... we have been bought with a price... but that doesn't mean that we're ruling on earth now.. that will not be until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.
 
Re: The King's Domain

Some talk of the Kingdom of God...

The Kingdom means the King's Domain.

Is the earth God's Kingdom today...? ..not if you believe the scriptures. Satan is the god of this present evil world and that's why the LORD is calling people out of it.

Is the kingdom within the hearts of His church... of course... we have been bought with a price... but that doesn't mean that we're ruling on earth now.. that will not be until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.

:amen :thumbsup
 
If you can't explain it according to scripture then we have a problem. According to scripture we see a resurrected Christ with flesh and bone.


So how did Christ go through the wall?

How did He walk on water? That was before His crucifixion. Jesus went out of His way to explain that His resurrected body was physical. God the Son could walk through walls, walk on water, conceal His appearance, raise the dead, command storms, etc. all in a physical body.

Here's my point,when we die,and our flesh turns back to dust,we will never ever use that dust again....I feel we will have substance,but again that dust shall not rise!!!!
 
n2thelight said:
Here's my point,when we die,and our flesh turns back to dust,we will never ever use that dust again....I feel we will have substance,but again that dust shall not rise!!!!

And of course your point rejects simple scripture which shows the resurrected Christ to have flesh and bone.
 
Just as there is not a single scriptural basis for the church of God coming to earth after it meets The Lord in the air.

I've asked multiple times to explain how the church of God is in heaven before the Lord's coming...

Nothing..
 
n2thelight said:
Here's my point,when we die,and our flesh turns back to dust,we will never ever use that dust again....I feel we will have substance,but again that dust shall not rise!!!!

And of course your point rejects simple scripture which shows the resurrected Christ to have flesh and bone.

In this life man has "flesh and blood", a "natural" (or psychical) body. At death this spirit "returns to God Who gave it" (Ps. 31:5. Eccles. 12:7. Luke 23:46. Acts 7:59). In resurrection "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him" (1Cor. 15:38). This is no longer a "natural" (or psychical) body, but a "spiritual body" (1Cor. 15:44).
 
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